Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why the FBI hired ARCCA and was investigating at all, and why this isn't allowed to be mentioned?

Anyone?

They FBI got involved with investigating the Sandra Birchmore murder case as they received a creditable tip that a Stoughton police officer murdered her. Many of the same LEO players in the Birchmore case are also involved in the Karen Read case and that led to a separate investigation on police misconduct on this case. FBI hired ARCCA as part of that investigation.

It is considered “prejudicial to the Commonwealth” (per Bev) for the jury to know that the FBI opened an investigation on this case.

[Anonymous]

Thanks PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the defense has to do is raise reasonable doubt about the prosecution’s case. They’ve more than done that and haven’t finished yet:

(1) a non-canton cop saw the tail-light in tact. Videos seem to show an in tact tail light as well
(2) sgt proctor clearly was biased and there was a lot messed up with the investigation. Seemed like he pinned this on Karen without any investigation
(3) though now recanted, a junior canton officer reported seeing proctor with the tail light for an unusual amount of time
(4) there is clear uncertainty about the meaning of the data from the car. The car shows no collision
(5) anything found on the clothes is untrustworthy given chain of custody issues
(6) there was no way JOK got holes in only his right arm of his sweatshirt (no where else) and linear scratches from the tail light. Those ar consistent with a dog attack

There is too much doubt to find her guilty. This is from someone who started watching this trial and is only taking what was presented in this trial.

Do we know what happened? Nope. But there’s too much doubt here to find her guilty

Proctor did not pin it on her. He stated the obvious she killed him. She backed up into him and left him to die. He was unprofessional but there’s no mass cover-up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the defense has to do is raise reasonable doubt about the prosecution’s case. They’ve more than done that and haven’t finished yet:

(1) a non-canton cop saw the tail-light in tact. Videos seem to show an in tact tail light as well
(2) sgt proctor clearly was biased and there was a lot messed up with the investigation. Seemed like he pinned this on Karen without any investigation
(3) though now recanted, a junior canton officer reported seeing proctor with the tail light for an unusual amount of time
(4) there is clear uncertainty about the meaning of the data from the car. The car shows no collision
(5) anything found on the clothes is untrustworthy given chain of custody issues
(6) there was no way JOK got holes in only his right arm of his sweatshirt (no where else) and linear scratches from the tail light. Those ar consistent with a dog attack

There is too much doubt to find her guilty. This is from someone who started watching this trial and is only taking what was presented in this trial.

Do we know what happened? Nope. But there’s too much doubt here to find her guilty

Proctor did not pin it on her. He stated the obvious she killed him. She backed up into him and left him to die. He was unprofessional but there’s no mass cover-up.

False memories, butt dials, flipped Sallyport visits, Yuri pulling the wrong shoe out of evidence, tail light pieces being found by a recused police department weeks later oh the list goes on....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why the FBI hired ARCCA and was investigating at all, and why this isn't allowed to be mentioned?

Anyone?

They FBI got involved with investigating the Sandra Birchmore murder case as they received a creditable tip that a Stoughton police officer murdered her. Many of the same LEO players in the Birchmore case are also involved in the Karen Read case and that led to a separate investigation on police misconduct on this case. FBI hired ARCCA as part of that investigation.

It is considered “prejudicial to the Commonwealth” (per Bev) for the jury to know that the FBI opened an investigation on this case.

No, that's not the story. The story is that Karen and her defense team met with Josh Levy, who has a connection both to Yannetti and Bill Read, and behind that also is a bunch of politics between a bunch of egotistical lawyers in the NCDAO and the DOJ but you're probably not interested in that level of detail.

It had NOTHING to do with Birchmore, that was a separate investigation entirely.

The FBI/DOJ set the rules with keeping all their stuff top secret, and not even the District Court judge was allowed to see most of it. They set the rules about sequestrations and orders insisting that their investigation not be referenced by EITHER party in the CW v. Read. This is not uncommon DOJ antics but there is speculation in Karen's case that it was intended at some level to keep the myth of a conspiracy alive.

The FBI/DOJ were investigating for police corruption and/or civil rights violations. After months of investigating they released 3000+ pages to both parties and there was ZERO evidence of police corruption, cover up, or even third party culprit. NONE of the witnesses Karen has pointed fingers at are subjects of FBI/DOJ investigation - their attorneys have all been allowed by DOJ to say this in open court.

Recently when Josh Levy got booted back to the private sector and Leah Foley took the helm as USA in MA, she provided letters to every law enforcement agency involved to let them know the investigation was OVER and no indictments forthcoming. It is a dead issue, no matter how much FKR cult bleats otherwise.

Karen Read killed John O'Keefe. Hopefully this jury sees the evidence - the only real evidence, not speculation and fabrication and magical thinking - for exactly what it is, beyond any reasonable doubt proof that Karen hit John, knocked him down and killed him as a result.

[Anonymous]

No, that's not the story. The story is that Karen and her defense team met with Josh Levy, who has a connection both to Yannetti and Bill Read, and behind that also is a bunch of politics between a bunch of egotistical lawyers in the NCDAO and the DOJ but you're probably not interested in that level of detail.

I am the PP who originally asked and I'm interested! Is Karen that powerful to have these kind of connections? I'm in the "probably guilty but there's enough doubt" category but this is basically a woman who clearly drove drunk and may have hit her boyfriend. It's not that interesting except that the boyfriend was a cop. I wouldn't really expect DOJ to look into this unless they were playing up some civil rights race angle, so what was the "hook" to get them involved. Why would they even care about some middle aged, white literal "Karen's" rights being violated, if they even suspected that was the case? I'm sure lots of people have connections that they would try to leverage but how did they actually convince the feds to spend (waste?) money here? And to the point of not just looking at the investigation that was done but hiring these expensive reconstruction analysts? It seems crazy,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why the FBI hired ARCCA and was investigating at all, and why this isn't allowed to be mentioned?

Anyone?

They FBI got involved with investigating the Sandra Birchmore murder case as they received a creditable tip that a Stoughton police officer murdered her. Many of the same LEO players in the Birchmore case are also involved in the Karen Read case and that led to a separate investigation on police misconduct on this case. FBI hired ARCCA as part of that investigation.

It is considered “prejudicial to the Commonwealth” (per Bev) for the jury to know that the FBI opened an investigation on this case.

No, that's not the story. The story is that Karen and her defense team met with Josh Levy, who has a connection both to Yannetti and Bill Read, and behind that also is a bunch of politics between a bunch of egotistical lawyers in the NCDAO and the DOJ but you're probably not interested in that level of detail.

It had NOTHING to do with Birchmore, that was a separate investigation entirely.

The FBI/DOJ set the rules with keeping all their stuff top secret, and not even the District Court judge was allowed to see most of it. They set the rules about sequestrations and orders insisting that their investigation not be referenced by EITHER party in the CW v. Read. This is not uncommon DOJ antics but there is speculation in Karen's case that it was intended at some level to keep the myth of a conspiracy alive.

The FBI/DOJ were investigating for police corruption and/or civil rights violations. After months of investigating they released 3000+ pages to both parties and there was ZERO evidence of police corruption, cover up, or even third party culprit. NONE of the witnesses Karen has pointed fingers at are subjects of FBI/DOJ investigation - their attorneys have all been allowed by DOJ to say this in open court.

Recently when Josh Levy got booted back to the private sector and Leah Foley took the helm as USA in MA, she provided letters to every law enforcement agency involved to let them know the investigation was OVER and no indictments forthcoming. It is a dead issue, no matter how much FKR cult bleats otherwise.

Karen Read killed John O'Keefe. Hopefully this jury sees the evidence - the only real evidence, not speculation and fabrication and magical thinking - for exactly what it is, beyond any reasonable doubt proof that Karen hit John, knocked him down and killed him as a result.

You have no proof for any of the above. Bill Read isn't some well connected man so your entire premise falls apart from there. Go ahead, prove any of the above.

The FBI does not formally make a statement when an investigation is closed. They are letting these people - Devers, Jen McCabe, Kerry Roberts, etc. - perjure themselves. With TACO in charge, who knows what happens, but I can tell you as a Norfolk County taxpayer, the only way they are getting 12 guilty votes on any charge is if they fix the jury.

Why can't the CW call the lead investigator? Because he wanted Karen to be guilty and jacked the case up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why the FBI hired ARCCA and was investigating at all, and why this isn't allowed to be mentioned?

Anyone?

They FBI got involved with investigating the Sandra Birchmore murder case as they received a creditable tip that a Stoughton police officer murdered her. Many of the same LEO players in the Birchmore case are also involved in the Karen Read case and that led to a separate investigation on police misconduct on this case. FBI hired ARCCA as part of that investigation.

It is considered “prejudicial to the Commonwealth” (per Bev) for the jury to know that the FBI opened an investigation on this case.

No, that's not the story. The story is that Karen and her defense team met with Josh Levy, who has a connection both to Yannetti and Bill Read, and behind that also is a bunch of politics between a bunch of egotistical lawyers in the NCDAO and the DOJ but you're probably not interested in that level of detail.

It had NOTHING to do with Birchmore, that was a separate investigation entirely.

The FBI/DOJ set the rules with keeping all their stuff top secret, and not even the District Court judge was allowed to see most of it. They set the rules about sequestrations and orders insisting that their investigation not be referenced by EITHER party in the CW v. Read. This is not uncommon DOJ antics but there is speculation in Karen's case that it was intended at some level to keep the myth of a conspiracy alive.

The FBI/DOJ were investigating for police corruption and/or civil rights violations. After months of investigating they released 3000+ pages to both parties and there was ZERO evidence of police corruption, cover up, or even third party culprit. NONE of the witnesses Karen has pointed fingers at are subjects of FBI/DOJ investigation - their attorneys have all been allowed by DOJ to say this in open court.

Recently when Josh Levy got booted back to the private sector and Leah Foley took the helm as USA in MA, she provided letters to every law enforcement agency involved to let them know the investigation was OVER and no indictments forthcoming. It is a dead issue, no matter how much FKR cult bleats otherwise.

Karen Read killed John O'Keefe. Hopefully this jury sees the evidence - the only real evidence, not speculation and fabrication and magical thinking - for exactly what it is, beyond any reasonable doubt proof that Karen hit John, knocked him down and killed him as a result.

You have no proof for any of the above. Bill Read isn't some well connected man so your entire premise falls apart from there. Go ahead, prove any of the above.

The FBI does not formally make a statement when an investigation is closed. They are letting these people - Devers, Jen McCabe, Kerry Roberts, etc. - perjure themselves. With TACO in charge, who knows what happens, but I can tell you as a Norfolk County taxpayer, the only way they are getting 12 guilty votes on any charge is if they fix the jury.

Why can't the CW call the lead investigator? Because he wanted Karen to be guilty and jacked the case up.

Proctor was fired for drinking at lunch on the clock and for sending texts to his friend about an open case.

He was cleared by the FBI and the MSP - he did nothing wrong in the investigation of this case.

If the FBI had found ANY exculpatory evidence showing third party culprits and clearing Karen they’d have a legal obligation to turn it over the NCDAO now, today, a year ago, etc. They absolutely are NOT allowing her to go on trial TWICE when there is evidence of her innocence. There is no such evidence.

Some of you are abysmally ignorant about the basics of our legal system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why the FBI hired ARCCA and was investigating at all, and why this isn't allowed to be mentioned?

Anyone?

They FBI got involved with investigating the Sandra Birchmore murder case as they received a creditable tip that a Stoughton police officer murdered her. Many of the same LEO players in the Birchmore case are also involved in the Karen Read case and that led to a separate investigation on police misconduct on this case. FBI hired ARCCA as part of that investigation.

It is considered “prejudicial to the Commonwealth” (per Bev) for the jury to know that the FBI opened an investigation on this case.

No, that's not the story. The story is that Karen and her defense team met with Josh Levy, who has a connection both to Yannetti and Bill Read, and behind that also is a bunch of politics between a bunch of egotistical lawyers in the NCDAO and the DOJ but you're probably not interested in that level of detail.

It had NOTHING to do with Birchmore, that was a separate investigation entirely.

The FBI/DOJ set the rules with keeping all their stuff top secret, and not even the District Court judge was allowed to see most of it. They set the rules about sequestrations and orders insisting that their investigation not be referenced by EITHER party in the CW v. Read. This is not uncommon DOJ antics but there is speculation in Karen's case that it was intended at some level to keep the myth of a conspiracy alive.

The FBI/DOJ were investigating for police corruption and/or civil rights violations. After months of investigating they released 3000+ pages to both parties and there was ZERO evidence of police corruption, cover up, or even third party culprit. NONE of the witnesses Karen has pointed fingers at are subjects of FBI/DOJ investigation - their attorneys have all been allowed by DOJ to say this in open court.

Recently when Josh Levy got booted back to the private sector and Leah Foley took the helm as USA in MA, she provided letters to every law enforcement agency involved to let them know the investigation was OVER and no indictments forthcoming. It is a dead issue, no matter how much FKR cult bleats otherwise.

Karen Read killed John O'Keefe. Hopefully this jury sees the evidence - the only real evidence, not speculation and fabrication and magical thinking - for exactly what it is, beyond any reasonable doubt proof that Karen hit John, knocked him down and killed him as a result.

You have no proof for any of the above. Bill Read isn't some well connected man so your entire premise falls apart from there. Go ahead, prove any of the above.

The FBI does not formally make a statement when an investigation is closed. They are letting these people - Devers, Jen McCabe, Kerry Roberts, etc. - perjure themselves. With TACO in charge, who knows what happens, but I can tell you as a Norfolk County taxpayer, the only way they are getting 12 guilty votes on any charge is if they fix the jury.

Why can't the CW call the lead investigator? Because he wanted Karen to be guilty and jacked the case up.

Proctor was fired for drinking at lunch on the clock and for sending texts to his friend about an open case.

He was cleared by the FBI and the MSP - he did nothing wrong in the investigation of this case.

If the FBI had found ANY exculpatory evidence showing third party culprits and clearing Karen they’d have a legal obligation to turn it over the NCDAO now, today, a year ago, etc. They absolutely are NOT allowing her to go on trial TWICE when there is evidence of her innocence. There is no such evidence.

Some of you are abysmally ignorant about the basics of our legal system.

Proctor was FIRED by MSP so nope, he wasn’t “cleared”. Formally firing him for a trash investigation opens up the rest of them so they let him go down for the rest of that squad. Chip is trash, his sister will have a large seat down below for calling kids the r-word, and Liz should be running for the hills but she’s too stupid to.

FBI doesn’t get their hands dirty on a state murder charge. They wouldn’t act ahead of time to clear Karen. There are bigger fish to be fried - Meatball w his hostage videos, Bev and her Venmo transactions from the McAlberts.

I can’t believe there are people in this CW that are are stupid as you portray yourself to be on the internet. Is this the drug addict Loftus who cut me off on 93 last week?

[Anonymous]

If she killed him, the police did a horrendous job on this investigation. All kinds of reasonable doubt and suspicious behavior from them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If she killed him, the police did a horrendous job on this investigation. All kinds of reasonable doubt and suspicious behavior from them.

This, although I think she probably did hit him.

[Anonymous]

I would have to acquit on the 47 pieces of tail light alone. There’s no way that she shattered her tail light into 47 pieces hitting human flesh. And that’s before the butt dials, rehomed dogs, renovated basements, cop never coming out of the house to help, destroyed phones, missing ring camera footage, late night police station visits, inverted sallyport video. I’m surprised the prosecution had the audacity to bring this case a second time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If she killed him, the police did a horrendous job on this investigation. All kinds of reasonable doubt and suspicious behavior from them.

This, although I think she probably did hit him.

What evidence suggests she hit him? The ME saying he wasn’t hit by a car?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why the FBI hired ARCCA and was investigating at all, and why this isn't allowed to be mentioned?

Anyone?

They FBI got involved with investigating the Sandra Birchmore murder case as they received a creditable tip that a Stoughton police officer murdered her. Many of the same LEO players in the Birchmore case are also involved in the Karen Read case and that led to a separate investigation on police misconduct on this case. FBI hired ARCCA as part of that investigation.

It is considered “prejudicial to the Commonwealth” (per Bev) for the jury to know that the FBI opened an investigation on this case.

No, that's not the story. The story is that Karen and her defense team met with Josh Levy, who has a connection both to Yannetti and Bill Read, and behind that also is a bunch of politics between a bunch of egotistical lawyers in the NCDAO and the DOJ but you're probably not interested in that level of detail.

It had NOTHING to do with Birchmore, that was a separate investigation entirely.

The FBI/DOJ set the rules with keeping all their stuff top secret, and not even the District Court judge was allowed to see most of it. They set the rules about sequestrations and orders insisting that their investigation not be referenced by EITHER party in the CW v. Read. This is not uncommon DOJ antics but there is speculation in Karen's case that it was intended at some level to keep the myth of a conspiracy alive.

The FBI/DOJ were investigating for police corruption and/or civil rights violations. After months of investigating they released 3000+ pages to both parties and there was ZERO evidence of police corruption, cover up, or even third party culprit. NONE of the witnesses Karen has pointed fingers at are subjects of FBI/DOJ investigation - their attorneys have all been allowed by DOJ to say this in open court.

Recently when Josh Levy got booted back to the private sector and Leah Foley took the helm as USA in MA, she provided letters to every law enforcement agency involved to let them know the investigation was OVER and no indictments forthcoming. It is a dead issue, no matter how much FKR cult bleats otherwise.

Karen Read killed John O'Keefe. Hopefully this jury sees the evidence - the only real evidence, not speculation and fabrication and magical thinking - for exactly what it is, beyond any reasonable doubt proof that Karen hit John, knocked him down and killed him as a result.

You have no proof for any of the above. Bill Read isn't some well connected man so your entire premise falls apart from there. Go ahead, prove any of the above.

The FBI does not formally make a statement when an investigation is closed. They are letting these people - Devers, Jen McCabe, Kerry Roberts, etc. - perjure themselves. With TACO in charge, who knows what happens, but I can tell you as a Norfolk County taxpayer, the only way they are getting 12 guilty votes on any charge is if they fix the jury.

Why can't the CW call the lead investigator? Because he wanted Karen to be guilty and jacked the case up.

Proctor was fired for drinking at lunch on the clock and for sending texts to his friend about an open case.

He was cleared by the FBI and the MSP - he did nothing wrong in the investigation of this case.

If the FBI had found ANY exculpatory evidence showing third party culprits and clearing Karen they’d have a legal obligation to turn it over the NCDAO now, today, a year ago, etc. They absolutely are NOT allowing her to go on trial TWICE when there is evidence of her innocence. There is no such evidence.

Some of you are abysmally ignorant about the basics of our legal system.

Ignorant is thinking "evidence of innocence" is a thing. Just wow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why the FBI hired ARCCA and was investigating at all, and why this isn't allowed to be mentioned?

Anyone?

They FBI got involved with investigating the Sandra Birchmore murder case as they received a creditable tip that a Stoughton police officer murdered her. Many of the same LEO players in the Birchmore case are also involved in the Karen Read case and that led to a separate investigation on police misconduct on this case. FBI hired ARCCA as part of that investigation.

It is considered “prejudicial to the Commonwealth” (per Bev) for the jury to know that the FBI opened an investigation on this case.

No, that's not the story. The story is that Karen and her defense team met with Josh Levy, who has a connection both to Yannetti and Bill Read, and behind that also is a bunch of politics between a bunch of egotistical lawyers in the NCDAO and the DOJ but you're probably not interested in that level of detail.

It had NOTHING to do with Birchmore, that was a separate investigation entirely.

The FBI/DOJ set the rules with keeping all their stuff top secret, and not even the District Court judge was allowed to see most of it. They set the rules about sequestrations and orders insisting that their investigation not be referenced by EITHER party in the CW v. Read. This is not uncommon DOJ antics but there is speculation in Karen's case that it was intended at some level to keep the myth of a conspiracy alive.

The FBI/DOJ were investigating for police corruption and/or civil rights violations. After months of investigating they released 3000+ pages to both parties and there was ZERO evidence of police corruption, cover up, or even third party culprit. NONE of the witnesses Karen has pointed fingers at are subjects of FBI/DOJ investigation - their attorneys have all been allowed by DOJ to say this in open court.

Recently when Josh Levy got booted back to the private sector and Leah Foley took the helm as USA in MA, she provided letters to every law enforcement agency involved to let them know the investigation was OVER and no indictments forthcoming. It is a dead issue, no matter how much FKR cult bleats otherwise.

Karen Read killed John O'Keefe. Hopefully this jury sees the evidence - the only real evidence, not speculation and fabrication and magical thinking - for exactly what it is, beyond any reasonable doubt proof that Karen hit John, knocked him down and killed him as a result.

You have no proof for any of the above. Bill Read isn't some well connected man so your entire premise falls apart from there. Go ahead, prove any of the above.

The FBI does not formally make a statement when an investigation is closed. They are letting these people - Devers, Jen McCabe, Kerry Roberts, etc. - perjure themselves. With TACO in charge, who knows what happens, but I can tell you as a Norfolk County taxpayer, the only way they are getting 12 guilty votes on any charge is if they fix the jury.

Why can't the CW call the lead investigator? Because he wanted Karen to be guilty and jacked the case up.

Proctor was fired for drinking at lunch on the clock and for sending texts to his friend about an open case.

He was cleared by the FBI and the MSP - he did nothing wrong in the investigation of this case.

If the FBI had found ANY exculpatory evidence showing third party culprits and clearing Karen they’d have a legal obligation to turn it over the NCDAO now, today, a year ago, etc. They absolutely are NOT allowing her to go on trial TWICE when there is evidence of her innocence. There is no such evidence.

Some of you are abysmally ignorant about the basics of our legal system.

Ignorant is thinking "evidence of innocence" is a thing. Just wow.

Of course evidence of innocence is a thing, you fool. It’s called EXCULPATORY evidence by we lawyers and judges, and it is a constitutional mandate that law enforcement officers provide such evidence to the defense. If the FBI/DOJ had ANY evidence of innocence/exculpatory evidence they would already have provided it to the defense before this ever went to trial.

Don’t bother replying. Life’s too short for me to waste time on morons like you.