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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

How would you know that there’s plenty?? There’s not enough for all of the families who qualify and many have all kinds of issues. Have you ever driven down Castle Blvd, or been to the Enclave? Have you seen the posts about Arrive Apts in DTSS and the rat infestation? You sound very privileged and ignorant.
I know many, many, MCPS staff - paras,
Teachers, and Admin who are single parents and struggling. Many.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

I was a divorced mom of two during 13 years of my career teaching in MCPS. We lived in two bedroom/1 bathroom DCC apartments that were between $1100-$1300 a month. There was no way forward to buying any house anywhere in the county. I really tried.

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

How would you know that there’s plenty?? There’s not enough for all of the families who qualify and many have all kinds of issues. Have you ever driven down Castle Blvd, or been to the Enclave? Have you seen the posts about Arrive Apts in DTSS and the rat infestation? You sound very privileged and ignorant.
I know many, many, MCPS staff - paras,
Teachers, and Admin who are single parents and struggling. Many.

Being a single parent is hard. Most single parents in Montgomery County have lower incomes than an entry level teacher. Most teachers earn more than the entry level salary. The majority of MCPS teachers have more than 15 years of experience which means they make over $100k. Which by itself is still hard in Montgomery County or really anywhere in the region, but still much more than most people in Montgomery County earn.

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l

Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

Let’s look at it based on degrees held. Are you comparing it to incomes of other professions? Does that include those working minimum wage jobs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

Let’s look at it based on degrees held. Are you comparing it to incomes of other professions? Does that include those working minimum wage jobs?

That doesn't help. People with education degrees, or other degrees in the social sciences, aren't making any more, particularly when you look at public sector jobs. You'd be hard-pressed to make more as a county employee or fed with such a degree. Particularly when adjusting for the 10-month aspect of the job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Here’s the thing, when I’ve run the COL to areas outside of the DMV, the discrepancy between teacher income and cost of living is far greater. In other words, to move from say, Columbus, Ohio to Montgomery County, I have to make 1.34x my current salary. So how does the county attract teachers when they can barely afford housing in the zip codes where they work? We’ve already experienced challenges getting positions filled, it’s only going to get worse unless you entice future generations with competitive pay and benefits. I’ve already lost some high quality colleagues to Frederick County, because they’ve moved there as it’s more affordable and the pay of comparable. Work/Life balance is one major benefit for many and commuting two hours a day destroys that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

Let’s look at it based on degrees held. Are you comparing it to incomes of other professions? Does that include those working minimum wage jobs?

HHI is household income and you can't look at it by degree.

You can look at earnings by degree held. For people with advanced degrees (masters, PhD, MD) the average for MoCo is about $124k. Since about 50% of MCPS teachers have at least 15 years of experience the median MCPS teacher makes about $110k. Given that teachers have pensions and their salary is for 10 months, that seems comparable to the median.

Anyway, the point about HHI was not about whether MCPS salaries are competitive, but whether MoCo is affordable for teachers. The fact is teachers earn significantly more than most of the families of the students they serve, who live in Montgomery County. Whether that means Montgomery County is affordable, I don't know. I live in a townhome in MoCo and we have a PITI of $2500, which is within the range of affordability for an HHI of $110,000. For a person buying at today's interest rates, it challenging but certainly within reach for a family with two earners.

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Exactly, there are real consequences to canceling school and acting like teachers can't possibly live in the county and are being forced to live elsewhere is ridiculous as an excuse for canceling school for rain.l

Why do you care where they live? They couldn't make it to work without having to wake up unreasonably early.

I don't care where they live

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Here’s the thing, when I’ve run the COL to areas outside of the DMV, the discrepancy between teacher income and cost of living is far greater. In other words, to move from say, Columbus, Ohio to Montgomery County, I have to make 1.34x my current salary. So how does the county attract teachers when they can barely afford housing in the zip codes where they work? We’ve already experienced challenges getting positions filled, it’s only going to get worse unless you entice future generations with competitive pay and benefits. I’ve already lost some high quality colleagues to Frederick County, because they’ve moved there as it’s more affordable and the pay of comparable. Work/Life balance is one major benefit for many and commuting two hours a day destroys that.

My brother and his wife are both teachers in Indiana. Their combined salaries are a bit less than I make by myself. Nevertheless, they own a house 10 minutes from where they each work and are paying for full-time childcare for a preschooler and an infant and are making it just fine. The COL differences are insane.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Here’s the thing, when I’ve run the COL to areas outside of the DMV, the discrepancy between teacher income and cost of living is far greater. In other words, to move from say, Columbus, Ohio to Montgomery County, I have to make 1.34x my current salary. So how does the county attract teachers when they can barely afford housing in the zip codes where they work? We’ve already experienced challenges getting positions filled, it’s only going to get worse unless you entice future generations with competitive pay and benefits. I’ve already lost some high quality colleagues to Frederick County, because they’ve moved there as it’s more affordable and the pay of comparable. Work/Life balance is one major benefit for many and commuting two hours a day destroys that.

My brother and his wife are both teachers in Indiana. Their combined salaries are a bit less than I make by myself. Nevertheless, they own a house 10 minutes from where they each work and are paying for full-time childcare for a preschooler and an infant and are making it just fine. The COL differences are insane.

Funny how you don't hear a lot of people saying "I wish I lived in Indiana"

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Admin, can we close this thread? How’s there almost 1.1k of comments here? Locked this thread. Friday is done. Call is done. Snow is melted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The median HHI in Montgomery County is $130k or $65k per earner in a two earner household. $65k is the entry level salary for a MCPS teacher. A household with two MCPS teachers earns more than the majority of households in Montgomery County. Most MCPS teachers can definitely afford to live in Montgomery County but choose not to, school should not be canceled because they wanted a bigger house.

What about when you’re single or a single parent and your HHI is 65k which is half of the median HHI for Montgomery County? Have you done the math for what 65k spread out over 12 months nets you as a teacher? Minus taxes, insurance, pension, union fees. Have you researched what a 1br apartment in Moco rents for? And have you been to the grocery store lately?

MoCo has plenty of apartment buildings set aside for affordable housing, some map to good school clusters. Plenty of students in MCPS live in those buildings--that your hypothetical single parent MCPS teacher chooses not to, and prefers to live further away from their job, is their choice.

+1 families with a female householder and no spouse with a child under 18 comprise less than 8% of families in Montgomery County and their median income is about $56k. Most of these are obviously not teachers.

The majority of students in MCPS have qualified for FARMS at some point. The income max.for FARMS for a family of 4 is about $60k. Meaning teachers earn a lot more than the families of MCPS students.

+2 There are a lot of poor students, far poorer than a teacher’s kid, in MCPS. To say that the teacher has no affordable options to live in MCPS is ridiculous. That the teacher doesn’t like the options available to them or prefers to live with family further away from MoCo doesn’t justify MCPS to bend over backwards to accommodate staff’s housing preferences.

Here’s the thing, when I’ve run the COL to areas outside of the DMV, the discrepancy between teacher income and cost of living is far greater. In other words, to move from say, Columbus, Ohio to Montgomery County, I have to make 1.34x my current salary. So how does the county attract teachers when they can barely afford housing in the zip codes where they work? We’ve already experienced challenges getting positions filled, it’s only going to get worse unless you entice future generations with competitive pay and benefits. I’ve already lost some high quality colleagues to Frederick County, because they’ve moved there as it’s more affordable and the pay of comparable. Work/Life balance is one major benefit for many and commuting two hours a day destroys that.

My brother and his wife are both teachers in Indiana. Their combined salaries are a bit less than I make by myself. Nevertheless, they own a house 10 minutes from where they each work and are paying for full-time childcare for a preschooler and an infant and are making it just fine. The COL differences are insane.

Funny how you don't hear a lot of people saying "I wish I lived in Indiana"

Careful, your elitism is showing.