US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:If grades and scores are equal, give POC people a chance at the same opportunities as other counterparts.

Scores? As in standardized test scores?

The SAT/ACT are pretty much irrelevant going forward.

Look for the permanent test optional announcements from most of the T25 before the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Most are already TO for this fall.

And...no school of significance followed MIT.

MIT tends to follow what’s best for students, they didn’t jump in the TO bandwagon because they realized test scores in conjunction with other metrics are a better predictor of success at MIT. It’s one of the few top school that don’t give preference to legacy students. Kudos to them.

I agree with the Supreme Court decision. It’s fine to consider race, but in context, no box checking, no shameful personality scores.

HYPS are better and serve as more of a bellwether.

Thousands of colleges TO > MIT

I pray people like you get a TO doctor or a TO engineer to design the bridges you drive over. In your world where intelligence and capabilities matter less than how diverse you are need to live by the sword. For me- I’d like qualified people as judged by objective measures, you all and kumbayya all you want.

The objective tests should be utilized when attaining the certification/licensure, not to gain acceptance to the school. Admissions should be looking at the bigger picture, we need a different metric besides test scores when entering college, maybe we should begin streamlining kids earlier. Just because a HS kid has high SAT scores doesn’t mean they will be able become a competent surgeon or engineer.

TO or not, They still have to manage to graduate, pass licenses etc. I am very happy to have a TO physicians and engineers.

Yes and if you manage to pass with the required GPA and attain a license what’s the issue? I don’t see how an inflated prepped SAT score in HS means anything here.

The SAT is not the MCAT, I agree with testing related to expanding in one’s chosen field.

You think someone who struggles with the SAT is going to pass the MCAT or LSAT? Not in my experience - the rigor only increases and if you cannot pass basic high school competence covered by the SAT you are unlikely to do well on more advanced testing. Just like the D student is unlikely to start getting straight As in college - maybe it happens on in 10,000 but past performance is strongly correlated with future performance.

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously why is everyone making this about asian kids? WTF?

The court case was brought by a racist organization but the person they used in The middle of the case was an Asian person.

Yep.

The "model minority" myth.

Asian Americans were merely used as pawns.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Tulane University diverse ?

The undergraduate student body at Tulane University is over 41% Jewish according to the Hillel Guide To Colleges.

What is the percentage of black students at Tulane ? Hispanic ?

Tulane reported being 72% white, 5% Asian, 5% black, and 8% hispanic. Not very diverse--especially considering the religious make-up.

For the same year: Northwestern University reported an undergraduate student body composed of: 41% white, 20% Asian, 6% black, 13% Hispanic, 6% multiracial, and 10% international.

Seems like Tulane University needs to do some serious work toward diversification.

For the same year, Harvard reported: 33% white, 23% Asian, 11% black, 12% Hispanic, 7% multiracial, and 11% international, yet Harvard got sued for discrimination when it should have received praise.

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously why is everyone making this about asian kids? WTF?

The court case was brought by a racist organization but the person they used in The middle of the case was an Asian person.

Yep.

The "model minority" myth.

Asian Americans were merely used as pawns.

By the same logic, African Americans are also used by the White elites on the left.

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

And Asian Indian person to say eff you to the black person who says eff you:

Have you not heard of the decolonization movement in india and Asia in the 1940s and 1950s that precended the US Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? Do you think the black Civil rights movement in the 1960s would have been successful without the decolonization moments in india that happened in the first half of the 20th century? So before you throw stones ar Asians perhaps you should look at your own history more carefully.

Not everything revolves around India as much as you would like to believe it.
Your presence in the US owes much to MLK and Black Americans unending fight for justice. Be grateful!

And MLK would not be who he is without the non-violent movement that was championed by Gandhi. So there.

That doesn’t change the point of their message: Asians did, in fact, start to immigrate to the US in much higher numbers due to the Civil Rights Movement loosening the country’s racist immigration laws. Sure, MLK was inspired by Gandhi, but it was MLK, not Gandhi, who got the job done here, and we should be grateful for that.

— child of Indian immigrants

Indians have the same color of skin as blacks. Yet, they are hugely successful. Why are blacks so special that you have to feel sorry for? Did Indians enslaved blacks?

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Anonymous wrote:Is Tulane University diverse ?

The undergraduate student body at Tulane University is over 41% Jewish according to the Hillel Guide To Colleges.

What is the percentage of black students at Tulane ? Hispanic ?

Tulane reported being 72% white, 5% Asian, 5% black, and 8% hispanic. Not very diverse--especially considering the religious make-up.

For the same year: Northwestern University reported an undergraduate student body composed of: 41% white, 20% Asian, 6% black, 13% Hispanic, 6% multiracial, and 10% international.

Seems like Tulane University needs to do some serious work toward diversification.

For the same year, Harvard reported: 33% white, 23% Asian, 11% black, 12% Hispanic, 7% multiracial, and 11% international, yet Harvard got sued for discrimination when it should have received praise.

The defendants in the two affirmative action cases decided yesterday by the US Supreme Court were Harvard University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

For the same year, UNC-Chapel Hill reported: 57% white, 12% Asian, 8% black, 9% Hispanic, 55 multiracial, and 4% international.

Tulane University should be ashamed, not trumpeting diversity as it is among the least diverse elite schools in the country.

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Med school will never drop the MCAT. It can’t because you have to take several board exams to become a doctor and they can’t risk accepting someone who can’t pass them. Med Ed is very regulated so I wouldn’t worry about it.

-AA doc

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

And Asian Indian person to say eff you to the black person who says eff you:

Have you not heard of the decolonization movement in india and Asia in the 1940s and 1950s that precended the US Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? Do you think the black Civil rights movement in the 1960s would have been successful without the decolonization moments in india that happened in the first half of the 20th century? So before you throw stones ar Asians perhaps you should look at your own history more carefully.

Not everything revolves around India as much as you would like to believe it.
Your presence in the US owes much to MLK and Black Americans unending fight for justice. Be grateful!

And MLK would not be who he is without the non-violent movement that was championed by Gandhi. So there.

That doesn’t change the point of their message: Asians did, in fact, start to immigrate to the US in much higher numbers due to the Civil Rights Movement loosening the country’s racist immigration laws. Sure, MLK was inspired by Gandhi, but it was MLK, not Gandhi, who got the job done here, and we should be grateful for that.

— child of Indian immigrants

How about Columbus
Thank you Columbus for finding this lad that I live on today

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously why is everyone making this about asian kids? WTF?

The court case was brought by a racist organization but the person they used in The middle of the case was an Asian person.

Yep.

The "model minority" myth.

Asian Americans were merely used as pawns.

That’s a pat answer that glosses over all the wrongs done to Asians in admissions. What do you think should have been done for Asians?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope that Asian applicants understand that very little will change WRT Harvard: the chances of acceptance with “perfect scores” will be very low. And there will be white kids from West Virginia with lower scores who will get in. There will be black kids from the Bronx with lower scores who will get in. There will be Indian kids whose caste is “untouchable” with lower scores who will get in.

This case was never about Asian Americans. It was always about the equal protection clause that's in the constitution.

By PPs logic, whites and blacks with "perfect" stats go to the back of the line in favor of SE Asians whose parents arrived here in refugee boats. And those asians with "perfect" scores who are denied spots at top schools? They will have plenty of other options. They will be fine.

The case was never about equal protection.

If it were they would have gotten rid of legacy admits.

I certainly hope they tackle that next.

Who exactly is "they?"

It takes money and decades to make that happen. Are you taking up a collection?

“They” are white conservatives who have abused the system to obtain outsized power to force their unpopular beliefs on everyone else. They don’t want obstacles like AA to affect their white, male kids. They DGAF about minorities or women. And they will absolutely not touch legacy.

Fools.

There are black legacies. Blacks are free to donate. They are athletic. These are God's gifts. Are they not their own agencies with the abilities to direct their own lives? Justices Roberts and Thomas have spoken. Their words are the laws of the land.

The extremist conservative justices don’t represent Americans. They had to lie and cheat to get their power. The “law of the land” means less and less every day they abuse their powers.

“They are athletic”? You are a racist POS.

You have eyes but can't see. You have ears but can't hear. You are a fool.

You are really a racist POS

Not PP, but how is this racist?

Unfortunately, the R word has been abused by some people to describe anyone who dares to disagree with them, including people of all colors.

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Anonymous wrote:Med school will never drop the MCAT. It can’t because you have to take several board exams to become a doctor and they can’t risk accepting someone who can’t pass them. Med Ed is very regulated so I wouldn’t worry about it.

-AA doc

Don’t be so sure. Law school is the same (bar exam) yet schools are dropping LSAT and also LSAT has been gutted/is now much easier.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously why is everyone making this about asian kids? WTF?

The court case was brought by a racist organization but the person they used in The middle of the case was an Asian person.

Yep.

The "model minority" myth.

Asian Americans were merely used as pawns.

How condescending of you as to assume that the Asian Americans involved in the lawsuit weren’t smart enough or didn’t have enough agency of their own so they were made “pawns.” That’s a pretty racist trope as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Tulane University diverse ?

The undergraduate student body at Tulane University is over 41% Jewish according to the Hillel Guide To Colleges.

What is the percentage of black students at Tulane ? Hispanic ?

Tulane reported being 72% white, 5% Asian, 5% black, and 8% hispanic. Not very diverse--especially considering the religious make-up.

I see why so many white people love this school lol.

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

And Asian Indian person to say eff you to the black person who says eff you:

Have you not heard of the decolonization movement in india and Asia in the 1940s and 1950s that precended the US Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? Do you think the black Civil rights movement in the 1960s would have been successful without the decolonization moments in india that happened in the first half of the 20th century? So before you throw stones ar Asians perhaps you should look at your own history more carefully.

Not everything revolves around India as much as you would like to believe it.
Your presence in the US owes much to MLK and Black Americans unending fight for justice. Be grateful!

And MLK would not be who he is without the non-violent movement that was championed by Gandhi. So there.

That doesn’t change the point of their message: Asians did, in fact, start to immigrate to the US in much higher numbers due to the Civil Rights Movement loosening the country’s racist immigration laws. Sure, MLK was inspired by Gandhi, but it was MLK, not Gandhi, who got the job done here, and we should be grateful for that.

— child of Indian immigrants

Indians have the same color of skin as blacks. Yet, they are hugely successful. Why are blacks so special that you have to feel sorry for? Did Indians enslaved blacks?

The ignorance in this post is stunning.
I’m Indian but if you immigrate to this country, at least try to understand its history

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard systematically gave Asian students lower personal ratings scores in their admissions dockets. It is disgusting that Harvard therefore thinks all Asians have lower levels of character, integrity, personality, leadership than other races. Or another equally disgusting interpretation is that Harvard puts its thumb on the scale to admit fewer Asians.
This is why I can’t force myself to give another dollar to Harvard as an alum.
I hope we get to a content of character view of people going forward now, not just a race box.

Well, if Asians continue to be given lower personal rating scores it will be impossible to track. No more race or ethnicity identifiers!

Blum played you.

That’s not how “impossible to track” works.

-lawyer

That is exactly how it works.

-financial investigator

You can simply track it in discovery in the lawsuit later for policies that resulted in discrimination dumb dumb.