US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

And Asian Indian person to say eff you to the black person who says eff you:

Have you not heard of the decolonization movement in india and Asia in the 1940s and 1950s that precended the US Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? Do you think the black Civil rights movement in the 1960s would have been successful without the decolonization moments in india that happened in the first half of the 20th century? So before you throw stones ar Asians perhaps you should look at your own history more carefully.

Not everything revolves around India as much as you would like to believe it.
Your presence in the US owes much to MLK and Black Americans unending fight for justice. Be grateful!

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”

Yes, we want to go forward, not backwards and against what MLK fought for.

I agree we should heed his word

A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him.”

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Anonymous wrote:The criteria for admission doesn’t have to change at all- they WILL still be denied based on many other factors in favor of legacy admissions.

Asians are WELL represented in higher education. This will absolutely have the opposite effect and they will be admitted in lower numbers.

California banned AA in 1996, and rates for Asians plummeted. Same thing will happen here.

? No it did not lol

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It is funny because from what I have seen most of the benefits of affirmative action in top schools have gone to higher income Black - including kids of Nigerian doctors/Ethiopian immigrants, and higher-income Hispanics. Not the people it is intended to benefit. And it devalues the smart Black kids who would have got in anyway. Like the Michelle Obamas and Clarence Thomases of the world. I am hoping this ruling eliminates the higher income/advantaged "minority legacies" from taking advantage of a system which was meant for the actually disadvantaged - like the descendants of Black population where were enslaved and oppressed. And also makes people focus on improving early childhood education thus lifting all boats.

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Anonymous wrote:If grades and scores are equal, give POC people a chance at the same opportunities as other counterparts.

Scores? As in standardized test scores?

The SAT/ACT are pretty much irrelevant going forward.

Look for the permanent test optional announcements from most of the T25 before the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Most are already TO for this fall.

And...no school of significance followed MIT.

MIT tends to follow what’s best for students, they didn’t jump in the TO bandwagon because they realized test scores in conjunction with other metrics are a better predictor of success at MIT. It’s one of the few top school that don’t give preference to legacy students. Kudos to them.

I agree with the Supreme Court decision. It’s fine to consider race, but in context, no box checking, no shameful personality scores.

HYPS are better and serve as more of a bellwether.

Thousands of colleges TO > MIT

I pray people like you get a TO doctor or a TO engineer to design the bridges you drive over. In your world where intelligence and capabilities matter less than how diverse you are need to live by the sword. For me- I’d like qualified people as judged by objective measures, you all and kumbayya all you want.

The objective tests should be utilized when attaining the certification/licensure, not to gain acceptance to the school. Admissions should be looking at the bigger picture, we need a different metric besides test scores when entering college, maybe we should begin streamlining kids earlier. Just because a HS kid has high SAT scores doesn’t mean they will be able become a competent surgeon or engineer.

Right. But those who cannot even crack a watered-down SAT would certainly NOT become a competent surgeon or engineer.

Who told they want to be engineers and surgeons? Also,who told you one becomes a surgeon because they feel like it ? Conspiracy loser much ?

NP. This country needs more surgeons and engineers.

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Application of the Equal Protection Clause to the K-12 will be next!

Blame the fools at the fcps once the use of race in admissions to HS is banned.

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

And Asian Indian person to say eff you to the black person who says eff you:

Have you not heard of the decolonization movement in india and Asia in the 1940s and 1950s that precended the US Civil Rights movement in the 1960s? Do you think the black Civil rights movement in the 1960s would have been successful without the decolonization moments in india that happened in the first half of the 20th century? So before you throw stones ar Asians perhaps you should look at your own history more carefully.

Not everything revolves around India as much as you would like to believe it.
Your presence in the US owes much to MLK and Black Americans unending fight for justice. Be grateful!

And MLK would not be who he is without the non-violent movement that was championed by Gandhi. So there.

That doesn’t change the point of their message: Asians did, in fact, start to immigrate to the US in much higher numbers due to the Civil Rights Movement loosening the country’s racist immigration laws. Sure, MLK was inspired by Gandhi, but it was MLK, not Gandhi, who got the job done here, and we should be grateful for that.

— child of Indian immigrants

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In my opinion to Tulane had the best response of all!

+100

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Colleges have had a long time to prepare for this decision. Not much is likely to change in terms of who gets in and who doesn't.

Whatever does change will not make any difference in the likelihood of anyone achieving happiness or career success. There's just not enough difference between the elite colleges and their backups with regard to their ability to educate even the most capable students.

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Tulane responds really well:

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Anonymous wrote:If grades and scores are equal, give POC people a chance at the same opportunities as other counterparts.

Scores? As in standardized test scores?

The SAT/ACT are pretty much irrelevant going forward.

Look for the permanent test optional announcements from most of the T25 before the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Most are already TO for this fall.

And...no school of significance followed MIT.

MIT tends to follow what’s best for students, they didn’t jump in the TO bandwagon because they realized test scores in conjunction with other metrics are a better predictor of success at MIT. It’s one of the few top school that don’t give preference to legacy students. Kudos to them.

I agree with the Supreme Court decision. It’s fine to consider race, but in context, no box checking, no shameful personality scores.

HYPS are better and serve as more of a bellwether.

Thousands of colleges TO > MIT

I pray people like you get a TO doctor or a TO engineer to design the bridges you drive over. In your world where intelligence and capabilities matter less than how diverse you are need to live by the sword. For me- I’d like qualified people as judged by objective measures, you all and kumbayya all you want.

The objective tests should be utilized when attaining the certification/licensure, not to gain acceptance to the school. Admissions should be looking at the bigger picture, we need a different metric besides test scores when entering college, maybe we should begin streamlining kids earlier. Just because a HS kid has high SAT scores doesn’t mean they will be able become a competent surgeon or engineer.

TO or not, They still have to manage to graduate, pass licenses etc. I am very happy to have a TO physicians and engineers.

Don't worry, they're lowering the standards for the licensing exams too:

https://newsroom.courts.ca.gov/news/california-supreme-court-lowers-bar-exam-passing-score

https://www.usmle.org/usmle-step-1-transition-passfail-only-score-reporting

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Is Tulane University diverse ?

The undergraduate student body at Tulane University is over 41% Jewish according to the Hillel Guide To Colleges.

What is the percentage of black students at Tulane ? Hispanic ?

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Anonymous wrote:Is Tulane University diverse ?

The undergraduate student body at Tulane University is over 41% Jewish according to the Hillel Guide To Colleges.

What is the percentage of black students at Tulane ? Hispanic ?

Tulane reported being 72% white, 5% Asian, 5% black, and 8% hispanic. Not very diverse--especially considering the religious make-up.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope that Asian applicants understand that very little will change WRT Harvard: the chances of acceptance with “perfect scores” will be very low. And there will be white kids from West Virginia with lower scores who will get in. There will be black kids from the Bronx with lower scores who will get in. There will be Indian kids whose caste is “untouchable” with lower scores who will get in.

This case was never about Asian Americans. It was always about the equal protection clause that's in the constitution.

By PPs logic, whites and blacks with "perfect" stats go to the back of the line in favor of SE Asians whose parents arrived here in refugee boats. And those asians with "perfect" scores who are denied spots at top schools? They will have plenty of other options. They will be fine.

The case was never about equal protection.

If it were they would have gotten rid of legacy admits.

I certainly hope they tackle that next.

Who exactly is "they?"

It takes money and decades to make that happen. Are you taking up a collection?

“They” are white conservatives who have abused the system to obtain outsized power to force their unpopular beliefs on everyone else. They don’t want obstacles like AA to affect their white, male kids. They DGAF about minorities or women. And they will absolutely not touch legacy.

Fools.

There are black legacies. Blacks are free to donate. They are athletic. These are God's gifts. Are they not their own agencies with the abilities to direct their own lives? Justices Roberts and Thomas have spoken. Their words are the laws of the land.

The extremist conservative justices don’t represent Americans. They had to lie and cheat to get their power. The “law of the land” means less and less every day they abuse their powers.

“They are athletic”? You are a racist POS.

You have eyes but can't see. You have ears but can't hear. You are a fool.

You are really a racist POS

Not PP, but how is this racist?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If grades and scores are equal, give POC people a chance at the same opportunities as other counterparts.

Scores? As in standardized test scores?

The SAT/ACT are pretty much irrelevant going forward.

Look for the permanent test optional announcements from most of the T25 before the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Most are already TO for this fall.

And...no school of significance followed MIT.

MIT tends to follow what’s best for students, they didn’t jump in the TO bandwagon because they realized test scores in conjunction with other metrics are a better predictor of success at MIT. It’s one of the few top school that don’t give preference to legacy students. Kudos to them.

I agree with the Supreme Court decision. It’s fine to consider race, but in context, no box checking, no shameful personality scores.

HYPS are better and serve as more of a bellwether.

Thousands of colleges TO > MIT

I pray people like you get a TO doctor or a TO engineer to design the bridges you drive over. In your world where intelligence and capabilities matter less than how diverse you are need to live by the sword. For me- I’d like qualified people as judged by objective measures, you all and kumbayya all you want.

The objective tests should be utilized when attaining the certification/licensure, not to gain acceptance to the school. Admissions should be looking at the bigger picture, we need a different metric besides test scores when entering college, maybe we should begin streamlining kids earlier. Just because a HS kid has high SAT scores doesn’t mean they will be able become a competent surgeon or engineer.

TO or not, They still have to manage to graduate, pass licenses etc. I am very happy to have a TO physicians and engineers.

Yes and if you manage to pass with the required GPA and attain a license what’s the issue? I don’t see how an inflated prepped SAT score in HS means anything here.

The SAT is not the MCAT, I agree with testing related to expanding in one’s chosen field.

Yup. MCAT for medical school is definately a requirements and should never disappear. But that is for a targeted grad school major where not everyone can hack it, so yes MCAT is needed.

FOr undergrad, the SAT is not needed and not a good reflection of who will be successful

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Anonymous wrote:Is Tulane University diverse ?

The undergraduate student body at Tulane University is over 41% Jewish according to the Hillel Guide To Colleges.

What is the percentage of black students at Tulane ? Hispanic ?

Tulane reported being 72% white, 5% Asian, 5% black, and 8% hispanic. Not very diverse--especially considering the religious make-up.

For the same year: Northwestern University reported an undergraduate student body composed of: 41% white, 20% Asian, 6% black, 13% Hispanic, 6% multiracial, and 10% international.

Seems like Tulane University needs to do some serious work toward diversification.