Can we please stop with the “you don’t want to parent your kids” bs

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Anonymous wrote:I think the posters hatwho say "parent your kid" are teachers and administrators who want this DL vacation to continue. They have minimal work and a full paycheck. It's a dream job and they will do or say anything they need to to keep the gravy train going.

I am a parent and I support DL unless it is safe for school to open. I am sorry but I love my kids and my family. I don't want any one in my family to fall sick or die because of some lazy parents. These irresponsible parents rode the gravy train of free "childcare" provided by the school and gave not one thought about the education of their kids before the pandemic. They were disengaged parents and their brats were disruptive students before the pandemic.

No school opening unless it is safe for students and teachers. And if there is a pressing need, let the most vulnerable population return to school in a phased manner after full vaccination.

I'd like to remind you that schools are not a "gravy train of free childcare," they are a public good funded by all our taxes to form children as citizens and workers educated in the skills and values our country, states, and districts have deemed important.

It annoys me when people can think about the collective good when it comes to the pandemic, but *everything else* is individualized and private, even public education. Admitting that school has collective value and isn't a "gravy train for lazy parents" doesn't mean we have to send all kids back regardless of risk. It means that you acknowledge A value for schools existing at all. If you think parents who want school were "lazy before," you're saying education is parents' job anyway, so...why should we even fund public schools if thats the case?

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This thread has helped me to understand that most of the people pushing for long-term DL (perhaps forever DL) lack the intelligence to have gainful employment outside of the house and/or are socially stunted, possibly sociopaths, for who isolation is welcome.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the posters hatwho say "parent your kid" are teachers and administrators who want this DL vacation to continue. They have minimal work and a full paycheck. It's a dream job and they will do or say anything they need to to keep the gravy train going.

I am a parent and I support DL unless it is safe for school to open. I am sorry but I love my kids and my family. I don't want any one in my family to fall sick or die because of some lazy parents. These irresponsible parents rode the gravy train of free "childcare" provided by the school and gave not one thought about the education of their kids before the pandemic. They were disengaged parents and their brats were disruptive students before the pandemic.

No school opening unless it is safe for students and teachers. And if there is a pressing need, let the most vulnerable population return to school in a phased manner after full vaccination.

I'd like to remind you that schools are not a "gravy train of free childcare," they are a public good funded by all our taxes to form children as citizens and workers educated in the skills and values our country, states, and districts have deemed important.

It annoys me when people can think about the collective good when it comes to the pandemic, but *everything else* is individualized and private, even public education. Admitting that school has collective value and isn't a "gravy train for lazy parents" doesn't mean we have to send all kids back regardless of risk. It means that you acknowledge A value for schools existing at all. If you think parents who want school were "lazy before," you're saying education is parents' job anyway, so...why should we even fund public schools if thats the case?

Exactly.

Under their logic, why should we pay for schooling at all? Just let the lazy parents figure it out!

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^Give me my tax money back and I’ll educate my kids on my own. Dh and I each pay 10k+ in state taxes and more than half of that goes to the schools.

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Anonymous wrote:^Give me my tax money back and I’ll educate my kids on my own. Dh and I each pay 10k+ in state taxes and more than half of that goes to the schools.

Well, sweetie, not everyone can do that.

Do you want to just shut down public schools entirely because you can homeschool?

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Anonymous wrote:Perspective from a stay at home mom: I feel for the teachers, but even with constant supervision, my kid screws around a lot during asynchronous time. I can stand there and tell him to do his work and he will just sit and find reasons to stall. His teachers praised his work a lot during the regular school year and there is just no way his behavior is just how he is as a student.

When people tell me I just need to parent him more, I have to laugh. There is no way I could parent him any more than I am doing now. I know it must be a nightmare for working parents.

Working parent here and yes, this. My kid is 6. He tried so hard in the fall but at this point he screws around during synchronous AND asynchronous times. I am doing my best to keep him as attentive as i can, but I am also on my own work Zoom calls for most of the school day and cannot leave them every 5 minutes to stand over him saying "put that down, look at the screen, do what your teacher is saying" for 3 hours. Even when i do, some days it isn't that successful.

The only way i could "parent" him full time on the SCHOOL'S preferred schedule is to quit my job. If the minimum level of parenting you think is necessary involves one SAHP per household, you really, really have to rethink your expectations. That is absolutely unreasonable. I said in another thread that this is basically an argument for private school.

This is a pandemic. Private schools are also shutting down for 14 days every time some one gets COVID, which is far more disruptive. It is a crapshoot and it is horrible.

My kids have great teachers for DL, but I have no leisure time anymore because I have to be very involved in the education of the students. Still, I believe that some families will actually utilize this time and give an academic leg-up to their children. We will see some students get exponentially ahead in academics. This will really widen the achievement gap.

Funny, I have no leisure time because I'm either doing my job or taking care of my kids while my husband does his job all day every weekday. We do reading and math practice with my 6 year old in ways he enjoys after school but I cannot "be involved" by making him sit still and do all the synchronous lessons and asynchronous apps and things he is supposed to do for virtual K because I AM WORKING. We're not talking about whether parents are educating their kids in some way, we're talking about whether parents make sure their kids are compliant with the schedule and tasks laid out by the school.

If you are working, you put your kid in a pod, hire a babysitter or figure it out. If your child isn't participating in school and you are saying its not your responsibility because you are working, then that is neglect.

WOW. It's neglect to not have a one on one caretaker to keep a 6 year old on task and fully attentive all day for distance learning? This is what i mean. If that is your definition of "parenting," a whole lot of fine parents just became neglectful in the last year. Forget whether the kid is safe, or even at grade level in terms of actual reading and math - if he's not attentive during the Zoom calls, and doesn't want to put in 20 minutes a day on the reading app, call CPS and see if the foster parents can do better.

School should not be an option in your home. So, yes, if all he has to do is an app for 20 minutes a day, how hard is that to do? Really, its 20 minutes!

It's one of several things, and 20 minutes is not that short to a 6 year old! Scenes from this week: "can I stop now?" every 2 minutes. Clicking randomly for 20 minutes. Sitting silently motionless in front of the screen. Moving mouse around different parts of his body. Me saying he has to do more minutes to make up for the time he wasted. Yelling. Consequences. Reading an actual book? Sure. Daily apps that track and send progress to the teacher? Torture. Then start the math app!

How do you make each individual piece of school "not an option" in your house, PP? Please only answer if you have a kindergartener in DL. Specifically, what rewards or consequences have worked for you during the pandemic.

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Anonymous wrote:^Give me my tax money back and I’ll educate my kids on my own. Dh and I each pay 10k+ in state taxes and more than half of that goes to the schools.

Well, sweetie, not everyone can do that.

Do you want to just shut down public schools entirely because you can homeschool?

DP here, but this is basically the argument the "you don't want to parent your kids" people are making, that any decent parent SHOULD be able to spend every day focused on hands-on involvement in their kid's education, and any flaws in DL are due to parental failure. I don't think they understand that this is an argument against public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:^Give me my tax money back and I’ll educate my kids on my own. Dh and I each pay 10k+ in state taxes and more than half of that goes to the schools.

Well, sweetie, not everyone can do that.

Do you want to just shut down public schools entirely because you can homeschool?

DP here, but this is basically the argument the "you don't want to parent your kids" people are making, that any decent parent SHOULD be able to spend every day focused on hands-on involvement in their kid's education, and any flaws in DL are due to parental failure. I don't think they understand that this is an argument against public schools.

Right that’s my point.

The logical endpoint to their argument is shutting down public schools and putting them all out of jobs.

Ironic, eh?

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Anonymous wrote:^Give me my tax money back and I’ll educate my kids on my own. Dh and I each pay 10k+ in state taxes and more than half of that goes to the schools.

You gonna give all private school parents their tax $ back? GMAFB

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Anonymous wrote:^Give me my tax money back and I’ll educate my kids on my own. Dh and I each pay 10k+ in state taxes and more than half of that goes to the schools.

Well, sweetie, not everyone can do that.

Do you want to just shut down public schools entirely because you can homeschool?

DP here, but this is basically the argument the "you don't want to parent your kids" people are making, that any decent parent SHOULD be able to spend every day focused on hands-on involvement in their kid's education, and any flaws in DL are due to parental failure. I don't think they understand that this is an argument against public schools.

Right that’s my point.

The logical endpoint to their argument is shutting down public schools and putting them all out of jobs.

Ironic, eh?

You don’t need to spend 8 hours a day to keep kids up in school. A few hours every night will do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^Give me my tax money back and I’ll educate my kids on my own. Dh and I each pay 10k+ in state taxes and more than half of that goes to the schools.

Well, sweetie, not everyone can do that.

Do you want to just shut down public schools entirely because you can homeschool?

DP here, but this is basically the argument the "you don't want to parent your kids" people are making, that any decent parent SHOULD be able to spend every day focused on hands-on involvement in their kid's education, and any flaws in DL are due to parental failure. I don't think they understand that this is an argument against public schools.

Right that’s my point.

The logical endpoint to their argument is shutting down public schools and putting them all out of jobs.

Ironic, eh?

You don’t need to spend 8 hours a day to keep kids up in school. A few hours every night will do.

And what, pray tell, will my child do during the day?

I do have a job, you know.

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Anonymous wrote:^Give me my tax money back and I’ll educate my kids on my own. Dh and I each pay 10k+ in state taxes and more than half of that goes to the schools.

Well, sweetie, not everyone can do that.

Do you want to just shut down public schools entirely because you can homeschool?

DP here, but this is basically the argument the "you don't want to parent your kids" people are making, that any decent parent SHOULD be able to spend every day focused on hands-on involvement in their kid's education, and any flaws in DL are due to parental failure. I don't think they understand that this is an argument against public schools.

Right that’s my point.

The logical endpoint to their argument is shutting down public schools and putting them all out of jobs.

Ironic, eh?

You don’t need to spend 8 hours a day to keep kids up in school. A few hours every night will do.

And what, pray tell, will my child do during the day?

I do have a job, you know.

There is child care for parents that are required to go to work.

What do you do with them now?

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Anonymous wrote:^Give me my tax money back and I’ll educate my kids on my own. Dh and I each pay 10k+ in state taxes and more than half of that goes to the schools.

Well, sweetie, not everyone can do that.

Do you want to just shut down public schools entirely because you can homeschool?

DP here, but this is basically the argument the "you don't want to parent your kids" people are making, that any decent parent SHOULD be able to spend every day focused on hands-on involvement in their kid's education, and any flaws in DL are due to parental failure. I don't think they understand that this is an argument against public schools.

Right that’s my point.

The logical endpoint to their argument is shutting down public schools and putting them all out of jobs.

Ironic, eh?

You don’t need to spend 8 hours a day to keep kids up in school. A few hours every night will do.

And what, pray tell, will my child do during the day?

I do have a job, you know.

There is child care for parents that are required to go to work.

What do you do with them now?

Oh yeah of course — the teachers won’t teach now and call us lazy, but it’s fine for childcare workers to take care of the kids, right? Just offload what the teachers don’t want to do.

At least we’re all being honest now.

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Anonymous wrote:As long as we can also stop the "teachers are lazy" posts.

You’re unwilling to do your jobs.

I'm not a teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:^Give me my tax money back and I’ll educate my kids on my own. Dh and I each pay 10k+ in state taxes and more than half of that goes to the schools.

Well, sweetie, not everyone can do that.

Do you want to just shut down public schools entirely because you can homeschool?

DP here, but this is basically the argument the "you don't want to parent your kids" people are making, that any decent parent SHOULD be able to spend every day focused on hands-on involvement in their kid's education, and any flaws in DL are due to parental failure. I don't think they understand that this is an argument against public schools.

Right that’s my point.

The logical endpoint to their argument is shutting down public schools and putting them all out of jobs.

Ironic, eh?

You don’t need to spend 8 hours a day to keep kids up in school. A few hours every night will do.

And what, pray tell, will my child do during the day?

I do have a job, you know.

There is child care for parents that are required to go to work.

What do you do with them now?

Oh yeah of course — the teachers won’t teach now and call us lazy, but it’s fine for childcare workers to take care of the kids, right? Just offload what the teachers don’t want to do.

At least we’re all being honest now.

No we all are not being honest, where are your kids now?