75,000 Pro-Gun Demonstrators in Richmond For "Lobby Day"?

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so important to you to own the weapon that has been used to create so much carnage and murder schoolchildren?

oh the hysterics.

20 1st graders were blown apart in their classrooms with one of these weapons - The fact that you write that off is disgusting to me

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Disgusting POS

Freedom isn't free.

Bad stuff can happen when people are free to make choices.

So those 20 slaughtered children were worth it to you for your “freedom”?

How many would be too many for you personally? Is there a limit? 100? 1000? 1000000? No limit?

If you want my complete and utter honesty? No limit because I personally value maximum freedom, which means people are allowed to make stupid choices.

It's not because I'm heartless. We allow for 10s of thousands to die each year for car accidents yet we don't outlaw driving. If you think I'm a bad person, I'm ok with that.

Too bad it wasn’t your kid who was killed instead of the child of someone not willing to make that trade. You know, price of freedom and all.

I would be ok with that. Others might not be.

I think people should be able to make bad and "wrong" decisions. Freedom means not being protected from bad choices even if they are preventable. Not everyone wants or can handle freedom. That is self evident from the discussion here. Like I said, if that makes me a bad person I fully take responsibility for that.

Does it ever concern you that your norms are so very different than most other people? You’d let your own child die if that meant you could keep your guns. Not many people would say that. Do you feel disconnected from typical emotions?

And would you let your child die to block universal background checks? Or restrictions on magazine capacity?

Or is “maximum freedom” the only important thing to you? Do you actually have children?

Yes I have children. I'm a libertarian, so yes maximum freedom, and lack of coercion is very important to me. I recognize that most people can't live their lives in such a fashion. It's entirely alien for most people.

Of course I have emotions, but rationality is of most importance to me. When I adopted rationality more than a decade ago, discovering that the only intelligent way to go through life was to base decisions on the preponderance of evidence, critically attacking ideas to improve thinking, and working to constantly remove assumptions from my analysis, it was akin to the conversion of Saul in Acts 9:18; scales falling from my eyes and seeing the world for how it really was for the first time. I never anticipated how painful it would be to see others remaining behind in Plato’s cave given my natural inclination to teach and help people.

If you think I'm nuts, thats fine, I have no desire to force you to my way of thinking, though it appears that you would force me to conform to your ideals. I'm an idealist, however I recognize that what works for me might be very unpleasant for you.

What does your spouse think about your “rationality”?

How far does your rationality extend? Atheist/agnostic?

Still waiting on answers to these...

As addicting as it may be, I don't live on DCUM. I'm sure you only want the best for me as you obviously care greatly about my family background and wish to feed my narcissistic tendencies.

My spouse and I both have scientific/engineering backgrounds from well known 3 letter institutions. My spouse is even more logical and methodical than myself. They also grew up under a communist government that murdered millions of their own citizens and to this day culturally has low regard for human life, where people are viewed as expendable. When the state has a monopoly on violence, it is easy for millions to die based off the whims of the ruling class. This is why I tend to prefer libertarian ideas in order to prevent that sort of thing from happening here, even if such ideas are considered archaic, naive and unworkable by most people today.

Perhaps, when viewed in that context and the history of my family members, my position might make more sense, and why I am not emotionally swayed by the deaths of young children, when millions were murdered elsewhere.

My religious beliefs are my own private manner, but it is fair to say that most religions, be they of Abrahamic origins or otherwise, recognize that human beings have full agency for their actions, and as such reward or punish people for their actions. I do posit however that one can simultaneously hold rational and irrational beliefs even about the same subject.

What does your spouse think about your opinion about your child’s life being less important than any number of gun “rights”?

My spouse agrees with me.

When your own family members are slaughtered because they lack the means to defend themselves, they tend to be more supportive of firearms. Talk with people who grew up under those systems and it is quite common.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so important to you to own the weapon that has been used to create so much carnage and murder schoolchildren?

oh the hysterics.

20 1st graders were blown apart in their classrooms with one of these weapons - The fact that you write that off is disgusting to me

+1

Disgusting POS

Freedom isn't free.

Bad stuff can happen when people are free to make choices.

So those 20 slaughtered children were worth it to you for your “freedom”?

How many would be too many for you personally? Is there a limit? 100? 1000? 1000000? No limit?

If you want my complete and utter honesty? No limit because I personally value maximum freedom, which means people are allowed to make stupid choices.

It's not because I'm heartless. We allow for 10s of thousands to die each year for car accidents yet we don't outlaw driving. If you think I'm a bad person, I'm ok with that.

Regulating guns the way we regulate driving is a good idea, PP. I am happy to hear you support licensing and registration, mandatory insurance, annual inspections and annual property taxes. That could work!

Licencing, registration, mandatory insurance, annual inspections and annual property taxes, as practiced in the USA, don't help save lives.

The car inspection process is incredibly lax for automobiles. You might want something more inline with the German TUV or Japanese Shaken if you were serious about raising that point.

It is incredibly easy to get a drivers license in the USA. If you were serious about that point, again, look at Japanese and German licensing standards, or even Norwegian ones with car control requirements.

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Do you anti-gunners have any hobbies besides your internet propaganda stuff?

Like, what other projects are you working on to save lives? Trying to reduce the speed limit on highways to 55? Or maybe you are a reserve deputy with the sheriffs dept or volunteer with the fire dept?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you anti-gunners have any hobbies besides your internet propaganda stuff?

Like, what other projects are you working on to save lives? Trying to reduce the speed limit on highways to 55? Or maybe you are a reserve deputy with the sheriffs dept or volunteer with the fire dept?

Demanding the disarmament of noncriminal gun owners IS their hobby.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you anti-gunners have any hobbies besides your internet propaganda stuff?

Like, what other projects are you working on to save lives? Trying to reduce the speed limit on highways to 55? Or maybe you are a reserve deputy with the sheriffs dept or volunteer with the fire dept?

Demanding the disarmament of noncriminal gun owners IS their hobby.

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They have shown they can’t be reasoned with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you anti-gunners have any hobbies besides your internet propaganda stuff?

Like, what other projects are you working on to save lives? Trying to reduce the speed limit on highways to 55? Or maybe you are a reserve deputy with the sheriffs dept or volunteer with the fire dept?

I focus on volunteering that helps children. Local food back and reading support for kids. Of course, Moms Demand Action.

And I like to share the definition of "civil rights" with morons. Just for giggles.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you anti-gunners have any hobbies besides your internet propaganda stuff?

Like, what other projects are you working on to save lives? Trying to reduce the speed limit on highways to 55? Or maybe you are a reserve deputy with the sheriffs dept or volunteer with the fire dept?

I focus on volunteering that helps children. Local food back and reading support for kids. Of course, Moms Demand Action.

And I like to share the definition of "civil rights" with morons. Just for giggles.

DP. If all these new bills are passed you will definitely see some civil rights violations in the future. Some of these laws will be used to unfairly target minorities.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you anti-gunners have any hobbies besides your internet propaganda stuff?

Like, what other projects are you working on to save lives? Trying to reduce the speed limit on highways to 55? Or maybe you are a reserve deputy with the sheriffs dept or volunteer with the fire dept?

I focus on volunteering that helps children. Local food back and reading support for kids. Of course, Moms Demand Action.

And I like to share the definition of "civil rights" with morons. Just for giggles.

DP. If all these new bills are passed you will definitely see some civil rights violations in the future. Some of these laws will be used to unfairly target minorities.

Such as?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you anti-gunners have any hobbies besides your internet propaganda stuff?

Like, what other projects are you working on to save lives? Trying to reduce the speed limit on highways to 55? Or maybe you are a reserve deputy with the sheriffs dept or volunteer with the fire dept?

I focus on volunteering that helps children. Local food back and reading support for kids. Of course, Moms Demand Action.

And I like to share the definition of "civil rights" with morons. Just for giggles.

DP. If all these new bills are passed you will definitely see some civil rights violations in the future. Some of these laws will be used to unfairly target minorities.

Such as?

Red flag laws, but pretty much any of them. We can’t enforce any of the laws we have now without bias, what makes you think guns will be any different. My guess is it would play out like our current drug laws do. The good ole boys at VSP and the US Marshall service will have a fiend day.

[Anonymous]

Ok, today the organizers are saying people *won't* be bringing their guns to the pro gun protest.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wtop.com/virginia/2020/01/richmond-gun-rally-will-not-be-armed-protest-says-organizer/amp/

Which I'm guessing may have been true of the original.group of Virginians they expected. But now they anticipate buses of people coming from out of state. Good luck with that organizers, you are going to need it.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, today the organizers are saying people *won't* be bringing their guns to the pro gun protest.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wtop.com/virginia/2020/01/richmond-gun-rally-will-not-be-armed-protest-says-organizer/amp/

Which I'm guessing may have been true of the original.group of Virginians they expected. But now they anticipate buses of people coming from out of state. Good luck with that organizers, you are going to need it.

Why not? Aren't they all just "good guys with guns"? What's the worry?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, today the organizers are saying people *won't* be bringing their guns to the pro gun protest.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wtop.com/virginia/2020/01/richmond-gun-rally-will-not-be-armed-protest-says-organizer/amp/

Which I'm guessing may have been true of the original.group of Virginians they expected. But now they anticipate buses of people coming from out of state. Good luck with that organizers, you are going to need it.

Why not? Aren't they all just "good guys with guns"? What's the worry?

If there is a crowd of 75,000 a single person who is dressed the wrong way, or holds the wrong sign, or behaves badly will suddenly become the face of the protest despite the rest dressed professionally and non threateningly.

We saw that last year when a kid smirked at a native American gentleman and it captured the news for weeks with a narrative that didn't match the facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so important to you to own the weapon that has been used to create so much carnage and murder schoolchildren?

oh the hysterics.

20 1st graders were blown apart in their classrooms with one of these weapons - The fact that you write that off is disgusting to me

+1

Disgusting POS

Freedom isn't free.

Bad stuff can happen when people are free to make choices.

So those 20 slaughtered children were worth it to you for your “freedom”?

How many would be too many for you personally? Is there a limit? 100? 1000? 1000000? No limit?

If you want my complete and utter honesty? No limit because I personally value maximum freedom, which means people are allowed to make stupid choices.

It's not because I'm heartless. We allow for 10s of thousands to die each year for car accidents yet we don't outlaw driving. If you think I'm a bad person, I'm ok with that.

Regulating guns the way we regulate driving is a good idea, PP. I am happy to hear you support licensing and registration, mandatory insurance, annual inspections and annual property taxes. That could work!

And naturally we'll do the same for voting, right? Licensing, identification requirements, a proficiency test, poll taxes.

Absolutely 100% agree with you.

I don't think the Venn Diagram of gun nuts and people who could easily pass a proficency test is as compact as you believe it to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, today the organizers are saying people *won't* be bringing their guns to the pro gun protest.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wtop.com/virginia/2020/01/richmond-gun-rally-will-not-be-armed-protest-says-organizer/amp/

Which I'm guessing may have been true of the original.group of Virginians they expected. But now they anticipate buses of people coming from out of state. Good luck with that organizers, you are going to need it.

Why not? Aren't they all just "good guys with guns"? What's the worry?

No worries for me, I won't be anywhere near and support going back to gun regulations we have post Reagan assassination. Busing in people from other states who may carry firearms and grouping them all together? What could go wrong? I guess if they are all "good guys with guns" nothing will happen..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so important to you to own the weapon that has been used to create so much carnage and murder schoolchildren?

oh the hysterics.

20 1st graders were blown apart in their classrooms with one of these weapons - The fact that you write that off is disgusting to me

+1

Disgusting POS

Freedom isn't free.

Bad stuff can happen when people are free to make choices.

So those 20 slaughtered children were worth it to you for your “freedom”?

How many would be too many for you personally? Is there a limit? 100? 1000? 1000000? No limit?

If you want my complete and utter honesty? No limit because I personally value maximum freedom, which means people are allowed to make stupid choices.

It's not because I'm heartless. We allow for 10s of thousands to die each year for car accidents yet we don't outlaw driving. If you think I'm a bad person, I'm ok with that.

Regulating guns the way we regulate driving is a good idea, PP. I am happy to hear you support licensing and registration, mandatory insurance, annual inspections and annual property taxes. That could work!

And naturally we'll do the same for voting, right? Licensing, identification requirements, a proficiency test, poll taxes.

Absolutely 100% agree with you.

I don't think the Venn Diagram of gun nuts and people who could easily pass a proficency test is as compact as you believe it to be.

Let me guess: you heard the term "Venn Diagram" on Wait Wait Don't Tell Me, and you've been trying to come up with a way to work it into a conversation. Any conversation.

Well congrats on checking off THAT bucket list item! Bravo!