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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why is it so important to you to own the weapon that has been used to create so much carnage and murder schoolchildren?[/quote]

oh the hysterics.[/quote]

20 1st graders were blown apart in their classrooms with one of these weapons - The fact that you write that off is disgusting to me[/quote]

Disgusting POS 
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Freedom isn't free.

Bad stuff can happen when people are free to make choices. [/quote]

So those 20 slaughtered children were worth it to you for your “freedom”?

How many would be too many for you personally? Is there a limit? 100? 1000? 1000000? No limit?

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If you want my complete and utter honesty?  No limit because I personally value maximum freedom, which means people are allowed to make stupid choices.

It's not because I'm heartless.  We allow for 10s of thousands to die each year for car accidents yet we don't outlaw driving.  If you think I'm a bad person, I'm ok with that.[/quote]

Too bad it wasn’t your kid who was killed instead of the child of someone not willing to make that trade.  You know, price of freedom and all.[/quote]

I would be ok with that.  Others might not be.

I think people should be able to make bad and "wrong" decisions.  Freedom means not being protected from bad choices even if they are preventable.  Not everyone wants or can handle freedom.  That is self evident from the discussion here. Like I said, if that makes me a bad person I fully take responsibility for that.[/quote]

Does it ever concern you that your norms are so very different than most other people? You’d let your own child die if that meant you could keep your guns. Not many people would say that. Do you feel disconnected from typical emotions?

And would you let your child die to block universal background checks? Or restrictions on magazine capacity?

Or is “maximum freedom” the only important thing to you? Do you actually have children?
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Yes I have children.  I'm a libertarian, so yes maximum freedom, and lack of coercion is very important to me.  I recognize that most people can't live their lives in such a fashion. It's entirely alien for most people.

Of course I have emotions, but rationality is of most importance to me.  When I adopted rationality more than a decade ago, discovering that the only intelligent way to go through life was to base decisions on the preponderance of evidence, critically attacking ideas to improve thinking, and working to constantly remove assumptions from my analysis, it was akin to the conversion of Saul in Acts 9:18; scales falling from my eyes and seeing the world for how it really was for the first time.  I never anticipated how painful it would be to see others remaining behind in Plato’s cave given my natural inclination to teach and help people.

If you think I'm nuts, thats fine, I have no desire to force you to my way of thinking, though it appears that you would force me to conform to your ideals.  I'm an idealist, however I recognize that what works for me might be very unpleasant for you.[/quote]

What does your spouse think about your “rationality”?

How far does your rationality extend? Atheist/agnostic? 
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Still waiting on answers to these... 
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As addicting as it may be, I don't live on DCUM.  I'm sure you only want the best for me as you obviously care  greatly about my family background and wish to feed my narcissistic tendencies.

My spouse and I both have scientific/engineering backgrounds from well known 3 letter institutions.  My spouse is even more logical and methodical than myself.  They also grew up under a communist government that murdered millions of their own citizens and to this day culturally has low regard for human life, where people are viewed as expendable. When the state has a monopoly on violence, it is easy for millions to die based off the whims of the ruling class.  This is why I tend to prefer libertarian ideas in order to prevent that sort of thing from happening here, even if such ideas are considered archaic, naive and unworkable by most people today.

Perhaps, when viewed in that context and the history of my family members, my position might make more sense, and why I am not emotionally swayed by the deaths of young children, when millions were murdered elsewhere.

My religious beliefs are my own private manner, but it is fair to say that most religions, be they of Abrahamic origins or otherwise, recognize that human beings have full agency for their actions, and as such reward or punish people for their actions. I do posit however that one can simultaneously hold rational and irrational beliefs even about the same subject.[/quote]

What does your spouse think about your opinion about your child’s life being less important than any number of gun “rights”? 
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My spouse agrees with me.

When your own family members are slaughtered because they lack the means to defend themselves, they tend to be more supportive of firearms.  Talk with people who grew up under those systems and it is quite common.[/quote]

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