Is busing really an option?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that schools in the South are more integrated than the rest of the East coast. Northern state communities put up much more of a fight against integration than anything going in the South right now. Everyone likes the idea of integration as long as it isn't their school.

Yes, that's why Blair famously still has a whites only prom. Oh, wait. That's the South, not Maryland. https://www.publicschoolreview.com/blog/segregated-proms-an-ongoing-controversy-in-georgia

It's also why our schools are just as segregated right now as they were when Brown v. Board of Education was decided. Oh, wait. That's the American South. https://www.civilrightsproject.ucla.edu/research/k-12-education/integration-and-diversity/brown-at-60-great-progress-a-long-retreat-and-an-uncertain-future/Brown-at-60-051814.pdf

That must be why more than 70 Maryland schools have tried to secede and create smaller, whiter, districts since 2000. Wait. That's the South again. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2018/05/02/back-to-the-future-a-new-school-district-secession-movement-is-gaining-steam/?utm_term=.0a27efe5d23b

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sooner or later MoCo parents have to realize if you keep voting for idyllic sounding leftwing rhetoric, the reality of leftwing policies will be imposed upon you. And there is no better places for such policy to be imposed from on high than our schools where the zealot block of administrators, schoolboards and unions are essentially free from accountability.

There are a few here who would try to warn of the disastrous implications of such policies but you all did nothing but call these people racist or bigots or something. Now your schools will get worse, your child’s education will get worse, their risk of being assaulted will go up, your taxes will go up, your property values will go down and there is nothing you all can do about. Likely though you will still vote for more lefties...

What reality of leftwing policies is being imposed upon me? Please be specific.

Also, I distinctly remember voting regularly in school board elections.

The earlier poster is into fringe conspiracies. I wouldn't pay them any attention.

The previous was my first post on the string, please hunt down your conspirators elsewhere. But thanks for proving my point.

Forced Busing, class ‘warfare’, race based demogoguery, forced demographic based zoning, all leftist policies and tactics. No??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sooner or later MoCo parents have to realize if you keep voting for idyllic sounding leftwing rhetoric, the reality of leftwing policies will be imposed upon you. And there is no better places for such policy to be imposed from on high than our schools where the zealot block of administrators, schoolboards and unions are essentially free from accountability.

There are a few here who would try to warn of the disastrous implications of such policies but you all did nothing but call these people racist or bigots or something. Now your schools will get worse, your child’s education will get worse, their risk of being assaulted will go up, your taxes will go up, your property values will go down and there is nothing you all can do about. Likely though you will still vote for more lefties...

What reality of leftwing policies is being imposed upon me? Please be specific.

Also, I distinctly remember voting regularly in school board elections.

The earlier poster is into fringe conspiracies. I wouldn't pay them any attention.

The previous was my first post on the string, please hunt down your conspirators elsewhere. But thanks for proving my point.

Forced Busing, class ‘warfare’, race based demogoguery, forced demographic based zoning, all leftist policies and tactics. No??

1. No.
2. Also, not being imposed on me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Good luck busing rich people’s kids to ghetto schools like Einstein or Kennedy when they could simply move a few miles away to a completely different jurisdiction like fairfax. Or simply opt for private.

How about this crazy idea, how about the few wealthy minorities not move to poor already dense minority areas and be the ones who send their kids to the rich white schools?

Your post is inscrutable.

I had to read PP's post multiple times, but I *think* PP is suggesting that rich Black/Latinx move to historically white communities. As to why many Black and Latinx families might not feel comfortable doing so, I refer them to a wealth of documentation around racist incidents at historically white schools in the area, including testimony from kids of color in front of the school board regarding racist harassment that they endure at so-called W schools.

Yes, it's well documented that the segregated schools mostly in the western part of the county are fairly hostile to minorities. There has been an unprecedented number of racist incidents at the W's this past year that's been well documented on this board.

"well documented on this board." is not something to be taken seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good luck busing rich people’s kids to ghetto schools like Einstein or Kennedy when they could simply move a few miles away to a completely different jurisdiction like fairfax. Or simply opt for private.

How about this crazy idea, how about the few wealthy minorities not move to poor already dense minority areas and be the ones who send their kids to the rich white schools?

Your post is inscrutable.

I had to read PP's post multiple times, but I *think* PP is suggesting that rich Black/Latinx move to historically white communities. As to why many Black and Latinx families might not feel comfortable doing so, I refer them to a wealth of documentation around racist incidents at historically white schools in the area, including testimony from kids of color in front of the school board regarding racist harassment that they endure at so-called W schools.

Yes, it's well documented that the segregated schools mostly in the western part of the county are fairly hostile to minorities. There has been an unprecedented number of racist incidents at the W's this past year that's been well documented on this board.

"well documented on this board." is not something to be taken seriously.

The facts of that matter were clear cut and published by the county. There was little room for interpretation. Point being the segregated schools only appear good because they exclude low income students but when you compare comparable SES students they really don't look so great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sooner or later MoCo parents have to realize if you keep voting for idyllic sounding leftwing rhetoric, the reality of leftwing policies will be imposed upon you. And there is no better places for such policy to be imposed from on high than our schools where the zealot block of administrators, schoolboards and unions are essentially free from accountability.

There are a few here who would try to warn of the disastrous implications of such policies but you all did nothing but call these people racist or bigots or something. Now your schools will get worse, your child’s education will get worse, their risk of being assaulted will go up, your taxes will go up, your property values will go down and there is nothing you all can do about. Likely though you will still vote for more lefties...

What reality of leftwing policies is being imposed upon me? Please be specific.

Also, I distinctly remember voting regularly in school board elections.

The earlier poster is into fringe conspiracies. I wouldn't pay them any attention.

The previous was my first post on the string, please hunt down your conspirators elsewhere. But thanks for proving my point.

Forced Busing, class ‘warfare’, race based demogoguery, forced demographic based zoning, all leftist policies and tactics. No??

We get it you want to maintain the defacto segregation; however, most reasonable people feel diversity is a strength.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good luck busing rich people’s kids to ghetto schools like Einstein or Kennedy when they could simply move a few miles away to a completely different jurisdiction like fairfax. Or simply opt for private.

How about this crazy idea, how about the few wealthy minorities not move to poor already dense minority areas and be the ones who send their kids to the rich white schools?

Your post is inscrutable.

I had to read PP's post multiple times, but I *think* PP is suggesting that rich Black/Latinx move to historically white communities. As to why many Black and Latinx families might not feel comfortable doing so, I refer them to a wealth of documentation around racist incidents at historically white schools in the area, including testimony from kids of color in front of the school board regarding racist harassment that they endure at so-called W schools.

Yes, it's well documented that the segregated schools mostly in the western part of the county are fairly hostile to minorities. There has been an unprecedented number of racist incidents at the W's this past year that's been well documented on this board.

"well documented on this board." is not something to be taken seriously.

The facts of that matter were clear cut and published by the county. There was little room for interpretation. Point being the segregated schools only appear good because they exclude low income students but when you compare comparable SES students they really don't look so great.

My point is also clear: if you want to say these documents are well documented, that is fine (people may ask you about the source). But saying "well documented on this board" is more or less meaningless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sooner or later MoCo parents have to realize if you keep voting for idyllic sounding leftwing rhetoric, the reality of leftwing policies will be imposed upon you. And there is no better places for such policy to be imposed from on high than our schools where the zealot block of administrators, schoolboards and unions are essentially free from accountability.

There are a few here who would try to warn of the disastrous implications of such policies but you all did nothing but call these people racist or bigots or something. Now your schools will get worse, your child’s education will get worse, their risk of being assaulted will go up, your taxes will go up, your property values will go down and there is nothing you all can do about. Likely though you will still vote for more lefties...

What reality of leftwing policies is being imposed upon me? Please be specific.

Also, I distinctly remember voting regularly in school board elections.

The earlier poster is into fringe conspiracies. I wouldn't pay them any attention.

The previous was my first post on the string, please hunt down your conspirators elsewhere. But thanks for proving my point.

Forced Busing, class ‘warfare’, race based demogoguery, forced demographic based zoning, all leftist policies and tactics. No??

We get it you want to maintain the defacto segregation; however, most reasonable people feel diversity is a strength.

DP. I do not necessarily disagree with that. However, the key is not whether you want to promote diversity, it is how you do it. I consider that (the proper way) more important than diversity.

For example, if you have a reasonable method that could get better teachers into the school system without increasing the cost, even if it has nothing to do with promoting diversity, or even if it hurts diversity, I would support that. If, on the other hand, you propose something which I think is unreasonable, even if it helps increase diversity, I would oppose it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good luck busing rich people’s kids to ghetto schools like Einstein or Kennedy when they could simply move a few miles away to a completely different jurisdiction like fairfax. Or simply opt for private.

How about this crazy idea, how about the few wealthy minorities not move to poor already dense minority areas and be the ones who send their kids to the rich white schools?

Your post is inscrutable.

I had to read PP's post multiple times, but I *think* PP is suggesting that rich Black/Latinx move to historically white communities. As to why many Black and Latinx families might not feel comfortable doing so, I refer them to a wealth of documentation around racist incidents at historically white schools in the area, including testimony from kids of color in front of the school board regarding racist harassment that they endure at so-called W schools.

Yes, it's well documented that the segregated schools mostly in the western part of the county are fairly hostile to minorities. There has been an unprecedented number of racist incidents at the W's this past year that's been well documented on this board.

"well documented on this board." is not something to be taken seriously.

The facts of that matter were clear cut and published by the county. There was little room for interpretation. Point being the segregated schools only appear good because they exclude low income students but when you compare comparable SES students they really don't look so great.

My point is also clear: if you want to say these documents are well documented, that is fine (people may ask you about the source). But saying "well documented on this board" is more or less meaningless.

The SAT averages by high-school arranged by demographic cohort and published by MCPS seems pretty cut and dry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sooner or later MoCo parents have to realize if you keep voting for idyllic sounding leftwing rhetoric, the reality of leftwing policies will be imposed upon you. And there is no better places for such policy to be imposed from on high than our schools where the zealot block of administrators, schoolboards and unions are essentially free from accountability.

There are a few here who would try to warn of the disastrous implications of such policies but you all did nothing but call these people racist or bigots or something. Now your schools will get worse, your child’s education will get worse, their risk of being assaulted will go up, your taxes will go up, your property values will go down and there is nothing you all can do about. Likely though you will still vote for more lefties...

What reality of leftwing policies is being imposed upon me? Please be specific.

Also, I distinctly remember voting regularly in school board elections.

The earlier poster is into fringe conspiracies. I wouldn't pay them any attention.

The previous was my first post on the string, please hunt down your conspirators elsewhere. But thanks for proving my point.

Forced Busing, class ‘warfare’, race based demogoguery, forced demographic based zoning, all leftist policies and tactics. No??

We get it you want to maintain the defacto segregation; however, most reasonable people feel diversity is a strength.

‘Diversity is strength’ is mindless rhetoric and means nothing. Institutionalized segregation ended decades ago.
People are free to live where they want. Forced busing is hated by everyone rich and poor black and white who had to suffer it. And... it didn’t improve school performance one iota anywhere. Stop dictating policy based on what makes you feel good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

‘Diversity is strength’ is mindless rhetoric and means nothing. Institutionalized segregation ended decades ago.
People are free to live where they want. Forced busing is hated by everyone rich and poor black and white who had to suffer it. And... it didn’t improve school performance one iota anywhere. Stop dictating policy based on what makes you feel good.

Nah.

And no, people aren't free to live where they want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

‘Diversity is strength’ is mindless rhetoric and means nothing. Institutionalized segregation ended decades ago.
People are free to live where they want. Forced busing is hated by everyone rich and poor black and white who had to suffer it. And... it didn’t improve school performance one iota anywhere. Stop dictating policy based on what makes you feel good.

Nah.

And no, people aren't free to live where they want.

It's also time we address segregation that has existed here for decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

‘Diversity is strength’ is mindless rhetoric and means nothing. Institutionalized segregation ended decades ago.
People are free to live where they want. Forced busing is hated by everyone rich and poor black and white who had to suffer it. And... it didn’t improve school performance one iota anywhere. Stop dictating policy based on what makes you feel good.

Nah.

And no, people aren't free to live where they want.

You’re a moron, of course they can if they can afford it.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone believe a Underperformed student will do better in a school that is more diverse than her/his home school?for example, a white student in C WJHS who got 1 in all subjects in PARCC test will do better in Northwood HS ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

‘Diversity is strength’ is mindless rhetoric and means nothing. Institutionalized segregation ended decades ago.
People are free to live where they want. Forced busing is hated by everyone rich and poor black and white who had to suffer it. And... it didn’t improve school performance one iota anywhere. Stop dictating policy based on what makes you feel good.

Nah.

And no, people aren't free to live where they want.

You’re a moron, of course they can if they can afford it.

Huh. Seems like a big if, there.