Is busing really an option?

[Anonymous]

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‘Diversity is strength’ is mindless rhetoric and means nothing. Institutionalized segregation ended decades ago.
People are free to live where they want. Forced busing is hated by everyone rich and poor black and white who had to suffer it. And... it didn’t improve school performance one iota anywhere. Stop dictating policy based on what makes you feel good.

Nah.

And no, people aren't free to live where they want.

You’re a moron, of course they can if they can afford it.

Huh. Seems like a big if, there.

Especially since that IF is still effected by past polices like red-lining or limiting low-income housing to specific areas.

[Anonymous]

No, bussing is not an option for most of the county. The same bus makes three rounds a morning (HS, MS, then ES) and in the afternoon. Going all over the 500 sq mile county for a diversity performance experiment is asinine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

‘Diversity is strength’ is mindless rhetoric and means nothing. Institutionalized segregation ended decades ago.
People are free to live where they want. Forced busing is hated by everyone rich and poor black and white who had to suffer it. And... it didn’t improve school performance one iota anywhere. Stop dictating policy based on what makes you feel good.

Nah.

And no, people aren't free to live where they want.

Well, I for one DEMAND to live in a nice walk up in Kensington, London. Who do I call a racist in order to do so?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

‘Diversity is strength’ is mindless rhetoric and means nothing. Institutionalized segregation ended decades ago.
People are free to live where they want. Forced busing is hated by everyone rich and poor black and white who had to suffer it. And... it didn’t improve school performance one iota anywhere. Stop dictating policy based on what makes you feel good.

Nah.

And no, people aren't free to live where they want.

Well, I for one DEMAND to live in a nice walk up in Kensington, London. Who do I call a racist in order to do so?

Not actually what this is about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: No, bussing is not an option for most of the county. The same bus makes three rounds a morning (HS, MS, then ES) and in the afternoon. Going all over the 500 sq mile county for a diversity performance experiment is asinine.

Which is why nobody, but NOBODY, is proposing it. Notwithstanding this fact, there are a lot of people spending a lot of energy fighting something that NOBODY IS PROPOSING.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: No, bussing is not an option for most of the county. The same bus makes three rounds a morning (HS, MS, then ES) and in the afternoon. Going all over the 500 sq mile county for a diversity performance experiment is asinine.

Which is why nobody, but NOBODY, is proposing it. Notwithstanding this fact, there are a lot of people spending a lot of energy fighting something that NOBODY IS PROPOSING.

Yes yes, pls shut up everybody and ignore the 2019 board mtg topics and $$million study on boundary diversity solutions. La la la.

I’d rather fight it now in the 3rd inning (and yes Board and central office already moved it to the third inning) than believe the political leftist board and wait until inning 9 when they’re shoving it down everybody’s throat like they have all the other terrible initiatives, decisions and changes the last 10 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: No, bussing is not an option for most of the county. The same bus makes three rounds a morning (HS, MS, then ES) and in the afternoon. Going all over the 500 sq mile county for a diversity performance experiment is asinine.

Which is why nobody, but NOBODY, is proposing it. Notwithstanding this fact, there are a lot of people spending a lot of energy fighting something that NOBODY IS PROPOSING.

Yes yes, pls shut up everybody and ignore the 2019 board mtg topics and $$million study on boundary diversity solutions. La la la.

I’d rather fight it now in the 3rd inning (and yes Board and central office already moved it to the third inning) than believe the political leftist board and wait until inning 9 when they’re shoving it down everybody’s throat like they have all the other terrible initiatives, decisions and changes the last 10 years.

Well said. Enough is enough, stop this insanity now.

We said the same thing with Common Core (Curriculum 2.0) and the shoved it down our children’s throats to their detriment. Not only were we ignored, we were cslked troglodytes and bigots. These are our children and our taxes, let’s stop em now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: No, bussing is not an option for most of the county. The same bus makes three rounds a morning (HS, MS, then ES) and in the afternoon. Going all over the 500 sq mile county for a diversity performance experiment is asinine.

Which is why nobody, but NOBODY, is proposing it. Notwithstanding this fact, there are a lot of people spending a lot of energy fighting something that NOBODY IS PROPOSING.

Yes yes, pls shut up everybody and ignore the 2019 board mtg topics and $$million study on boundary diversity solutions. La la la.

I’d rather fight it now in the 3rd inning (and yes Board and central office already moved it to the third inning) than believe the political leftist board and wait until inning 9 when they’re shoving it down everybody’s throat like they have all the other terrible initiatives, decisions and changes the last 10 years.

Agree - we must fight to end the longstanding de facto segregation that exists in this county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: No, bussing is not an option for most of the county. The same bus makes three rounds a morning (HS, MS, then ES) and in the afternoon. Going all over the 500 sq mile county for a diversity performance experiment is asinine.

Which is why nobody, but NOBODY, is proposing it. Notwithstanding this fact, there are a lot of people spending a lot of energy fighting something that NOBODY IS PROPOSING.

Yes yes, pls shut up everybody and ignore the 2019 board mtg topics and $$million study on boundary diversity solutions. La la la.

I’d rather fight it now in the 3rd inning (and yes Board and central office already moved it to the third inning) than believe the political leftist board and wait until inning 9 when they’re shoving it down everybody’s throat like they have all the other terrible initiatives, decisions and changes the last 10 years.

The Board of Education is elected. If you don't like what they're doing (or, more accurately, what you say they're doing although in reality they're not), then run for a seat on the Board of Education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: No, bussing is not an option for most of the county. The same bus makes three rounds a morning (HS, MS, then ES) and in the afternoon. Going all over the 500 sq mile county for a diversity performance experiment is asinine.

Which is why nobody, but NOBODY, is proposing it. Notwithstanding this fact, there are a lot of people spending a lot of energy fighting something that NOBODY IS PROPOSING.

Yes yes, pls shut up everybody and ignore the 2019 board mtg topics and $$million study on boundary diversity solutions. La la la.

I’d rather fight it now in the 3rd inning (and yes Board and central office already moved it to the third inning) than believe the political leftist board and wait until inning 9 when they’re shoving it down everybody’s throat like they have all the other terrible initiatives, decisions and changes the last 10 years.

Agree - we must fight to end the longstanding de facto segregation that exists in this county.

I guess, if your neighbor is of the same race as you are, that is de facto segregation.

Maybe we should extend that definition to "if your family does not have the right racial composition, it is a de facto segregation".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: No, bussing is not an option for most of the county. The same bus makes three rounds a morning (HS, MS, then ES) and in the afternoon. Going all over the 500 sq mile county for a diversity performance experiment is asinine.

Which is why nobody, but NOBODY, is proposing it. Notwithstanding this fact, there are a lot of people spending a lot of energy fighting something that NOBODY IS PROPOSING.

Yes yes, pls shut up everybody and ignore the 2019 board mtg topics and $$million study on boundary diversity solutions. La la la.

I’d rather fight it now in the 3rd inning (and yes Board and central office already moved it to the third inning) than believe the political leftist board and wait until inning 9 when they’re shoving it down everybody’s throat like they have all the other terrible initiatives, decisions and changes the last 10 years.

Agree - we must fight to end the longstanding de facto segregation that exists in this county.

I guess, if your neighbor is of the same race as you are, that is de facto segregation.

Maybe we should extend that definition to "if your family does not have the right racial composition, it is a de facto segregation".

It's more like when 90% of your neighbors are the same race as you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: No, bussing is not an option for most of the county. The same bus makes three rounds a morning (HS, MS, then ES) and in the afternoon. Going all over the 500 sq mile county for a diversity performance experiment is asinine.

Which is why nobody, but NOBODY, is proposing it. Notwithstanding this fact, there are a lot of people spending a lot of energy fighting something that NOBODY IS PROPOSING.

Yes yes, pls shut up everybody and ignore the 2019 board mtg topics and $$million study on boundary diversity solutions. La la la.

I’d rather fight it now in the 3rd inning (and yes Board and central office already moved it to the third inning) than believe the political leftist board and wait until inning 9 when they’re shoving it down everybody’s throat like they have all the other terrible initiatives, decisions and changes the last 10 years.

Agree - we must fight to end the longstanding de facto segregation that exists in this county.

I guess, if your neighbor is of the same race as you are, that is de facto segregation.

Maybe we should extend that definition to "if your family does not have the right racial composition, it is a de facto segregation".

It's more like when 90% of your neighbors are the same race as you are.

That depends on where you draw the lines to include people as your "neighbors". A few houses? one street? a few streets? Whoever says there is NO de facto segregation, we can always draw the lines to make the choice of area smaller so that it becomes de facto segregation again.

Let's fight this never ending fight!

[Anonymous]

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I guess, if your neighbor is of the same race as you are, that is de facto segregation.

Maybe we should extend that definition to "if your family does not have the right racial composition, it is a de facto segregation".

You guess wrong.

In my experience as a white person, white people don't like it when their neighborhoods are described as segregated, because it makes them feel like someone's accusing them of being a bad person and a racist.

That doesn't make their neighborhoods any less segregated, though.

Here are some maps by county council district: https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/95386/2017.12.28_montgomery_county_finalized_6.pdf

By census tract would be better, but I can't find any right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I guess, if your neighbor is of the same race as you are, that is de facto segregation.

Maybe we should extend that definition to "if your family does not have the right racial composition, it is a de facto segregation".

You guess wrong.

In my experience as a white person, white people don't like it when their neighborhoods are described as segregated, because it makes them feel like someone's accusing them of being a bad person and a racist.

That doesn't make their neighborhoods any less segregated, though.

Here are some maps by county council district: https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/95386/2017.12.28_montgomery_county_finalized_6.pdf

By census tract would be better, but I can't find any right now.

Looks like being sarcastic did not help. Then let me put it straight: it looks like having a good mix of different races in the county, is not enough, and you demand a better mix of races in various "districts"? Where does that end? sub-districts? sub-sub-districts? a few streets? one street? a few houses? one house?

To me, as long as people are not forced to live somewhere based on race, then there is no "segregation" issue. e.g. if people can't afford a house somewhere, that is not segregation - if too many people can't afford a house that becomes a social issue but it is not segregation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Looks like being sarcastic did not help. Then let me put it straight: it looks like having a good mix of different races in the county, is not enough, and you demand a better mix of races in various "districts"? Where does that end? sub-districts? sub-sub-districts? a few streets? one street? a few houses? one house?

To me, as long as people are not forced to live somewhere based on race, then there is no "segregation" issue. e.g. if people can't afford a house somewhere, that is not segregation - if too many people can't afford a house that becomes a social issue but it is not segregation.

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