Is busing really an option?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We live in the Churchill district, and moving boundaries will not make much of an impact..

Sure it will... for example, rezone Twinbrook ES to Churchill (not a long ride at all) and check how much the demographics would change.

Twinbrook ES is 5 miles from Churchill. Highly unlikely that would be the school to shift. Additionally, Churchill is at capacity and is forecast to continuing growing the next few years. Maybe flip Beverly Farms for one of the closer RM elementary schools. Definitely worth mentioning just to see the reaction of the BFES crowd! ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Churchill and Whitman are going to be the least likely to have boundary changes that result in any significant demographic shifts, just because of their geography. Other clusters have more options for redrawing lines that would make any sense. No one on the BOE was advocating for busing students long distances from their homes.

Churchill borders the RM cluster, so some change could and should happen there.

Very unlikely. The border there is tiny in the northeast corner of the district. The more likely district moving into RM would be Walter Johnson and Wootten. So glad we bought in Churchill area as our property values won't be affected if there is redistricting. I don't think movement into Wooton or WJ or Whitman is going to upset people much. The funny thing is that some think that it is going to be major change, but not for us!!

[Anonymous]

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Busing cannot work in high traffic areas, period. I don’t want kids with hour+ commutes clogging roads, it’s not to anyone’s benefit.

However, I am ALL in favor of more rent-controlled housing in expensive areas. I live in Bethesda and it’s turning into Wealth central. Decades ago, it was an unassuming suburb.
It is SO incredibly important to have a balanced population in every community.

I am in favor of the busing that has gone on in the BCC cluster, but I do agree with your point about how Bethesda has been developed without any thought to inclusive housing practices. I grew up in ChCh and can't afford to buy there or in Bethesda. I have a rare, cheap rental home. All the new rental/condo development is very high end.

It has a negative impact on schools -- there is a wealthy, privileged vibe at BCC that is very unattractive, worse than it used to be when I went there.

I like Bethesda because it is close to the metro and walkable, but I despise the wealthy, Range Rover, cluelessness that has developed in Bethesda.

[Anonymous]

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Busing cannot work in high traffic areas, period. I don’t want kids with hour+ commutes clogging roads, it’s not to anyone’s benefit.

However, I am ALL in favor of more rent-controlled housing in expensive areas. I live in Bethesda and it’s turning into Wealth central. Decades ago, it was an unassuming suburb.
It is SO incredibly important to have a balanced population in every community.

I am in favor of the busing that has gone on in the BCC cluster, but I do agree with your point about how Bethesda has been developed without any thought to inclusive housing practices. I grew up in ChCh and can't afford to buy there or in Bethesda. I have a rare, cheap rental home. All the new rental/condo development is very high end.

It has a negative impact on schools -- there is a wealthy, privileged vibe at BCC that is very unattractive, worse than it used to be when I went there.

I like Bethesda because it is close to the metro and walkable, but I despise the wealthy, Range Rover, cluelessness that has developed in Bethesda.

No, it hasn't been. There are MPDUs.

And the rental/condo development there is high-end because (a) it's a very desirable area, so there are lots of people with lots of money who are willing and able to pay, and (b) Chevy Chase has done its darndest to keep Chevy Chase expensive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Churchill and Whitman are going to be the least likely to have boundary changes that result in any significant demographic shifts, just because of their geography. Other clusters have more options for redrawing lines that would make any sense. No one on the BOE was advocating for busing students long distances from their homes.

Churchill borders the RM cluster, so some change could and should happen there.

Very unlikely. The border there is tiny in the northeast corner of the district. The more likely district moving into RM would be Walter Johnson and Wootten. So glad we bought in Churchill area as our property values won't be affected if there is redistricting. I don't think movement into Wooton or WJ or Whitman is going to upset people much. The funny thing is that some think that it is going to be major change, but not for us!!

Well, sure, if you include the Potomac River in the total perimeter.

Your property values are going to take a hit because people with money are going to increasingly not want the kind of housing the Churchill service area offers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Churchill and Whitman are going to be the least likely to have boundary changes that result in any significant demographic shifts, just because of their geography. Other clusters have more options for redrawing lines that would make any sense. No one on the BOE was advocating for busing students long distances from their homes.

Churchill borders the RM cluster, so some change could and should happen there.

Whatever it takes to put an end to the segregation in this county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We live in the Churchill district, and moving boundaries will not make much of an impact..

Sure it will... for example, rezone Twinbrook ES to Churchill (not a long ride at all) and check how much the demographics would change.

Twinbrook ES is 5 miles from Churchill. Highly unlikely that would be the school to shift. Additionally, Churchill is at capacity and is forecast to continuing growing the next few years. Maybe flip Beverly Farms for one of the closer RM elementary schools. Definitely worth mentioning just to see the reaction of the BFES crowd! ?

Churchill itself is within the BFES zone, as is Hoover, so not gonna happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We live in the Churchill district, and moving boundaries will not make much of an impact..

Sure it will... for example, rezone Twinbrook ES to Churchill (not a long ride at all) and check how much the demographics would change.

Twinbrook ES is 5 miles from Churchill. Highly unlikely that would be the school to shift. Additionally, Churchill is at capacity and is forecast to continuing growing the next few years. Maybe flip Beverly Farms for one of the closer RM elementary schools. Definitely worth mentioning just to see the reaction of the BFES crowd! ?

Churchill itself is within the BFES zone, as is Hoover, so not gonna happen.

Oh, I don't know. One of the options in the upcounty (Northwest-Clarksburg-Seneca Valley) boundary study involves moving part of Clarksburg ES from Rocky Hill MS and Clarksburg HS to Neelsville MS and Seneca Valley HS, and Rocky Hill MS and Clarksburg HS are both within the Clarksburg ES zone. So I wouldn't rule it out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We live in the Churchill district, and moving boundaries will not make much of an impact..

Sure it will... for example, rezone Twinbrook ES to Churchill (not a long ride at all) and check how much the demographics would change.

Twinbrook ES is 5 miles from Churchill. Highly unlikely that would be the school to shift. Additionally, Churchill is at capacity and is forecast to continuing growing the next few years. Maybe flip Beverly Farms for one of the closer RM elementary schools. Definitely worth mentioning just to see the reaction of the BFES crowd! ?

Churchill itself is within the BFES zone, as is Hoover, so not gonna happen.

Oh, I don't know. One of the options in the upcounty (Northwest-Clarksburg-Seneca Valley) boundary study involves moving part of Clarksburg ES from Rocky Hill MS and Clarksburg HS to Neelsville MS and Seneca Valley HS, and Rocky Hill MS and Clarksburg HS are both within the Clarksburg ES zone. So I wouldn't rule it out.

But isn't that because the Clarksburg ES zone is so large and spread out across major roads and highways? http://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/ClarksburgES.pdf
Compared to the BFES zone being small and compact, with the three schools right in the middle of it. http://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/BeverlyFarmsES.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We live in the Churchill district, and moving boundaries will not make much of an impact..

Sure it will... for example, rezone Twinbrook ES to Churchill (not a long ride at all) and check how much the demographics would change.

Twinbrook ES is 5 miles from Churchill. Highly unlikely that would be the school to shift. Additionally, Churchill is at capacity and is forecast to continuing growing the next few years. Maybe flip Beverly Farms for one of the closer RM elementary schools. Definitely worth mentioning just to see the reaction of the BFES crowd! ?

Churchill itself is within the BFES zone, as is Hoover, so not gonna happen.

Oh, I don't know. One of the options in the upcounty (Northwest-Clarksburg-Seneca Valley) boundary study involves moving part of Clarksburg ES from Rocky Hill MS and Clarksburg HS to Neelsville MS and Seneca Valley HS, and Rocky Hill MS and Clarksburg HS are both within the Clarksburg ES zone. So I wouldn't rule it out.

But isn't that because the Clarksburg ES zone is so large and spread out across major roads and highways? http://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/ClarksburgES.pdf
Compared to the BFES zone being small and compact, with the three schools right in the middle of it. http://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/BeverlyFarmsES.pdf

No. The option isn't for moving the large, spread-out parts, it's for moving Cabin Branch, which is as small and compact as BFES.

Plus I really wouldn't describe an elementary school area served by 7 school bus routes as small and compact, but that's a different issue.

[Anonymous]

All of you who KNOW how this is going to turn out should go play the lottery!

My questions:
- what happens to all the social services the kids being bussed out of title 1 schools used to receive? Do they (and their families) still get them in their new wealthy school? Who pays for that?
- if you bus wealthy kids to the title 1 school, is it still title 1? What happens when all the federal $$ goes away?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of you who KNOW how this is going to turn out should go play the lottery!

My questions:
- what happens to all the social services the kids being bussed out of title 1 schools used to receive? Do they (and their families) still get them in their new wealthy school? Who pays for that?
- if you bus wealthy kids to the title 1 school, is it still title 1? What happens when all the federal $$ goes away?

If (hypothetically of course), Twinbrook ES became part of the Churchill Cluster, it would remain a title 1 ES since the ES boundaries would not change. That is one of the reason TBES was not broken up when Rustin ES opened..so they could keep their title 1 status.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We live in the Churchill district, and moving boundaries will not make much of an impact..

Sure it will... for example, rezone Twinbrook ES to Churchill (not a long ride at all) and check how much the demographics would change.

Twinbrook ES is 5 miles from Churchill. Highly unlikely that would be the school to shift. Additionally, Churchill is at capacity and is forecast to continuing growing the next few years. Maybe flip Beverly Farms for one of the closer RM elementary schools. Definitely worth mentioning just to see the reaction of the BFES crowd! ?

At capacity does not mean full to MCPS...RM is way over capacity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of you who KNOW how this is going to turn out should go play the lottery!

My questions:
- what happens to all the social services the kids being bussed out of title 1 schools used to receive? Do they (and their families) still get them in their new wealthy school? Who pays for that?
- if you bus wealthy kids to the title 1 school, is it still title 1? What happens when all the federal $$ goes away?

For the 2018-2019 school year

Title I high schools: 0 (of 25)
Title I middle schools: 0 (of 40)
Title I elementary schools: 23 (of 134)

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/dtecps/title1/schools.aspx

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We live in the Churchill district, and moving boundaries will not make much of an impact..

Sure it will... for example, rezone Twinbrook ES to Churchill (not a long ride at all) and check how much the demographics would change.

Twinbrook ES is 5 miles from Churchill. Highly unlikely that would be the school to shift. Additionally, Churchill is at capacity and is forecast to continuing growing the next few years. Maybe flip Beverly Farms for one of the closer RM elementary schools. Definitely worth mentioning just to see the reaction of the BFES crowd! ?

Churchill itself is within the BFES zone, as is Hoover, so not gonna happen.

Oh, I don't know. One of the options in the upcounty (Northwest-Clarksburg-Seneca Valley) boundary study involves moving part of Clarksburg ES from Rocky Hill MS and Clarksburg HS to Neelsville MS and Seneca Valley HS, and Rocky Hill MS and Clarksburg HS are both within the Clarksburg ES zone. So I wouldn't rule it out.

But isn't that because the Clarksburg ES zone is so large and spread out across major roads and highways? http://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/ClarksburgES.pdf
Compared to the BFES zone being small and compact, with the three schools right in the middle of it. http://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/BeverlyFarmsES.pdf

No. The option isn't for moving the large, spread-out parts, it's for moving Cabin Branch, which is as small and compact as BFES.

Plus I really wouldn't describe an elementary school area served by 7 school bus routes as small and compact, but that's a different issue.

I guess we'll find out what they decide for Clarksburg in November. Still not sure how those decisions will provide much insight into how things will play out elsewhere after the countywide assessment.