BRYC Girls TD Larry Best leaving for Washington Spirit

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Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the issues at hand...if someone in the administration at WS is reading this...you have a lot of upset parents wondering what is going to happen next at the DA. A little communication from the higher-ups would go a long way at this point!!


Why would parents be “upset” with no actual news? No reason to be upset. Either nothing will change or if it does, it will be announced early enough so you can explore other options. It’s not like this area has a shortage of other options in the unlikely event a pro club that is wanted by US Soccer to host DA decides not to continue.

Deep breaths, it will be ok.


The concern is that if the VA DA is eliminated that the news will not be provided within a timely fashion.


My understanding is that if this were to happen, we’ll know in the next few weeks. Plenty of time. Why would they screw all of the families? Spirit is a great club and there’s no reason to think they would do that.


If they are killing the VA DA I see no real motivation for them to tell families sooner than later. Players would decline going to the showcases, players would start leaving early, it would be chaos and for what, to tick off a few families who you were cutting loose anyway?



1. There’s nowhere to go at this point for those players, who presumably have paid their dues and still want to be showcased
2. If Spirit were truly pulling out, there’s no long term need to show for those anyway.

They will not do what you suggest. Perhaps some other clubs in the area would. No need to project.


Nah, it would be like rats on a sinking ship. The better players will seek out their parachute much earlier and get their options lined up. Those lucky enough to land a spot early elsewhere will likely begin practicing with the new team as often as possible. Then the apathy really begins to set in, both with coaches and players.

If you tell parents/players to soon you have set up a terrible lame duck season for all. If you tell them to late they may miss out on DA/ECNL opportunities as they felt conflicted about trying out elsewhere and were strung along. I'm sure there will be many kids who will work, train and play hard till the end but the cost of showcasing when every player has one foot out of the door is a bad spot to be in. It would be best to get your offer early and guest with the new team at a showcase rather than showcase on team that will be dissolved.


DA rules don’t allow what you suggest. I get that you are looking at this from of a traditional, if unethical, point of view.

You are getting way ahead of yourself over a rumor.


What DA rule prevents a player joining a ECNL club?

What DA that is being dissolved would tell a player that they cannot leave for another team? Both teams and US Soccer can allow a player to leave one DA for another during the season, the only sanction is the player cannot play against the team they left that season.


https://ussoccer.app.box.com/s/wk8nm2mwq34yvbbu548pvwywmdkklzju

They will not be granted release by the DA or the club, per section 8c 3. US Soccer won't allow what you are trying to insinuate. Give it a rest.






There is no rule against transferring from one DA to another DA. There is simply a procedure for doing so:

bs during off seasons, subject only to meeting a
given Club’s registration deadlines/eligibility requirements.
3. Transfers during a season must be sent to DA Staff and the staff shall review and have the authority to approve or deny a transfer of a player in all circumstances. In general, a player who wishes to transfer to a new DA team during the season should obtain a release from their original DA Club in writing before transferring or communicating with another club.
a) In all other circumstances, the DA Club has the discretion to transfer / release or not
transfer / release the player during the Academy Season.
b) Prior to approval by DA Staff of a transfer request, players may not train or otherwise
participate with a DA team with which they are not officially rostered. c) If a player trains with another DA team prior to receiving a release, they may not be
permitted to transfer to that DA Club.


Read more closely. The rules state that any transfer must be approved by DA staff and the DA club. Otherwise no dice.


Yes, I understand the procedures require agreement from both DA’s and US Soccer. I only stated in the post already just before you posted the link. If a club is dissolving I don’t think their TD is suddenly going to get all possessive of the players. They are gone either way.


I don't think US Soccer will allow the club to fall apart as it would interfere with their seasonal programming and showcases. I think the more likely approach would be to grant the players the ability to participate in ID sessions/sign on for next season with other clubs but to require them to remain with the club until their commitment expires. That would be the rational, ethical, and adult solution.
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A DA player joined bryc mid season last year
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Anonymous wrote:A DA player joined bryc mid season last year


So what?
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Anonymous wrote:Getting back to the issues at hand...if someone in the administration at WS is reading this...you have a lot of upset parents wondering what is going to happen next at the DA. A little communication from the higher-ups would go a long way at this point!!


Why would parents be “upset” with no actual news? No reason to be upset. Either nothing will change or if it does, it will be announced early enough so you can explore other options. It’s not like this area has a shortage of other options in the unlikely event a pro club that is wanted by US Soccer to host DA decides not to continue.

Deep breaths, it will be ok.


The concern is that if the VA DA is eliminated that the news will not be provided within a timely fashion.


My understanding is that if this were to happen, we’ll know in the next few weeks. Plenty of time. Why would they screw all of the families? Spirit is a great club and there’s no reason to think they would do that.


If they are killing the VA DA I see no real motivation for them to tell families sooner than later. Players would decline going to the showcases, players would start leaving early, it would be chaos and for what, to tick off a few families who you were cutting loose anyway?



1. There’s nowhere to go at this point for those players, who presumably have paid their dues and still want to be showcased
2. If Spirit were truly pulling out, there’s no long term need to show for those anyway.

They will not do what you suggest. Perhaps some other clubs in the area would. No need to project.


Nah, it would be like rats on a sinking ship. The better players will seek out their parachute much earlier and get their options lined up. Those lucky enough to land a spot early elsewhere will likely begin practicing with the new team as often as possible. Then the apathy really begins to set in, both with coaches and players.

If you tell parents/players to soon you have set up a terrible lame duck season for all. If you tell them to late they may miss out on DA/ECNL opportunities as they felt conflicted about trying out elsewhere and were strung along. I'm sure there will be many kids who will work, train and play hard till the end but the cost of showcasing when every player has one foot out of the door is a bad spot to be in. It would be best to get your offer early and guest with the new team at a showcase rather than showcase on team that will be dissolved.


DA rules don’t allow what you suggest. I get that you are looking at this from of a traditional, if unethical, point of view.

You are getting way ahead of yourself over a rumor.


What DA rule prevents a player joining a ECNL club?

What DA that is being dissolved would tell a player that they cannot leave for another team? Both teams and US Soccer can allow a player to leave one DA for another during the season, the only sanction is the player cannot play against the team they left that season.


https://ussoccer.app.box.com/s/wk8nm2mwq34yvbbu548pvwywmdkklzju

They will not be granted release by the DA or the club, per section 8c 3. US Soccer won't allow what you are trying to insinuate. Give it a rest.






There is no rule against transferring from one DA to another DA. There is simply a procedure for doing so:

bs during off seasons, subject only to meeting a
given Club’s registration deadlines/eligibility requirements.
3. Transfers during a season must be sent to DA Staff and the staff shall review and have the authority to approve or deny a transfer of a player in all circumstances. In general, a player who wishes to transfer to a new DA team during the season should obtain a release from their original DA Club in writing before transferring or communicating with another club.
a) In all other circumstances, the DA Club has the discretion to transfer / release or not
transfer / release the player during the Academy Season.
b) Prior to approval by DA Staff of a transfer request, players may not train or otherwise
participate with a DA team with which they are not officially rostered. c) If a player trains with another DA team prior to receiving a release, they may not be
permitted to transfer to that DA Club.


Read more closely. The rules state that any transfer must be approved by DA staff and the DA club. Otherwise no dice.


Yes, I understand the procedures require agreement from both DA’s and US Soccer. I only stated in the post already just before you posted the link. If a club is dissolving I don’t think their TD is suddenly going to get all possessive of the players. They are gone either way.


Different poster. Back to VDA: they sure did. They knew they were going ECNL and still held that player out. I don't understand why and find that gross. Quite frankly, I object to the policy. No other league has such rules just to attend an ID session. I think any player should have the right to check out any ID session they want. With a rule like that though, players can't. They risk punitive action from the current club. It's ridiculous.
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US soccer can't stop a player trying out at another club, if Spirit is going to fall apart in VA then those players should find new clubs before spring season starts
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Anonymous wrote:US soccer can't stop a player trying out at another club, if Spirit is going to fall apart in VA then those players should find new clubs before spring season starts


That's what I'm saying: they can. Ask them. Per policy, you cannot try out at another DA club without the current DA club's permission. It's not allowed. Ask them.
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Anonymous wrote:US soccer can't stop a player trying out at another club, if Spirit is going to fall apart in VA then those players should find new clubs before spring season starts


That's what I'm saying: they can. Ask them. Per policy, you cannot try out at another DA club without the current DA club's permission. It's not allowed. Ask them.


p.s. I don't mean that aggressively either. It is though important that parents know that. I doubt the VDA family did.
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Anonymous wrote:US soccer can't stop a player trying out at another club, if Spirit is going to fall apart in VA then those players should find new clubs before spring season starts


That's what I'm saying: they can. Ask them. Per policy, you cannot try out at another DA club without the current DA club's permission. It's not allowed. Ask them.


And I’m saying that a club that is dissolving has no ground to stand upon trying to enforce a player retention rule. There is nothing to retain them for.
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Anonymous wrote:US soccer can't stop a player trying out at another club, if Spirit is going to fall apart in VA then those players should find new clubs before spring season starts


That's what I'm saying: they can. Ask them. Per policy, you cannot try out at another DA club without the current DA club's permission. It's not allowed. Ask them.


And I’m saying that a club that is dissolving has no ground to stand upon trying to enforce a player retention rule. There is nothing to retain them for.


Oy vey. All of this over something that hasn't been decided and is highly unlikely for a number of reasons.
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Anonymous wrote:BRYC has no more than 20 on any roster....


The rosters are available on the ECNL website. I count 66 players between the U16, U17 and U19 rosters for an average of 22 players per age group. Check my math but I’m pretty sure you’re lying
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Anonymous wrote:US soccer can't stop a player trying out at another club, if Spirit is going to fall apart in VA then those players should find new clubs before spring season starts


That's what I'm saying: they can. Ask them. Per policy, you cannot try out at another DA club without the current DA club's permission. It's not allowed. Ask them.


And I’m saying that a club that is dissolving has no ground to stand upon trying to enforce a player retention rule. There is nothing to retain them for.


Sooo, last thoughts here: knowing this rule goes beyond what is going on with Spirit. Any player in the DA, thinking of being in the DA, thinking of changing DA clubs needs to know. It's the rules of the "game" so to speak by being in that league. I know it's tangential to the discussion, but I don't want to start a thread just for that.

I really don't know at all what is going on with Spirit, and I am not suggesting that Spirit would enforce retention. However, in the nicest way I can, I do think people need to not be naive. Any time personalities are involved, they may do something illogical for irrational reasons, vindictive reasons and whatever other reason that grown adults may let these poor youth get caught in the crossfire. So, I am suggesting that any club may choose to withhold information or enforce whatever policy they choose. I've seen it done. So, just look out for your player, because I've seen players get hung out before - even when it makes no sense.
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Anonymous wrote:US soccer can't stop a player trying out at another club, if Spirit is going to fall apart in VA then those players should find new clubs before spring season starts


That's what I'm saying: they can. Ask them. Per policy, you cannot try out at another DA club without the current DA club's permission. It's not allowed. Ask them.


And I’m saying that a club that is dissolving has no ground to stand upon trying to enforce a player retention rule. There is nothing to retain them for.


Sooo, last thoughts here: knowing this rule goes beyond what is going on with Spirit. Any player in the DA, thinking of being in the DA, thinking of changing DA clubs needs to know. It's the rules of the "game" so to speak by being in that league. I know it's tangential to the discussion, but I don't want to start a thread just for that.

I really don't know at all what is going on with Spirit, and I am not suggesting that Spirit would enforce retention. However, in the nicest way I can, I do think people need to not be naive. Any time personalities are involved, they may do something illogical for irrational reasons, vindictive reasons and whatever other reason that grown adults may let these poor youth get caught in the crossfire. So, I am suggesting that any club may choose to withhold information or enforce whatever policy they choose. I've seen it done. So, just look out for your player, because I've seen players get hung out before - even when it makes no sense.


No dispute with any of that. There are risks but the procedure is pretty clear. And move in season in January would be tough to do but in regards to attending ID sessions one need only to inform their DA that they wish to attend another DA’s ID session.
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Anonymous wrote:US soccer can't stop a player trying out at another club, if Spirit is going to fall apart in VA then those players should find new clubs before spring season starts


That's what I'm saying: they can. Ask them. Per policy, you cannot try out at another DA club without the current DA club's permission. It's not allowed. Ask them.


And I’m saying that a club that is dissolving has no ground to stand upon trying to enforce a player retention rule. There is nothing to retain them for.


Sooo, last thoughts here: knowing this rule goes beyond what is going on with Spirit. Any player in the DA, thinking of being in the DA, thinking of changing DA clubs needs to know. It's the rules of the "game" so to speak by being in that league. I know it's tangential to the discussion, but I don't want to start a thread just for that.

I really don't know at all what is going on with Spirit, and I am not suggesting that Spirit would enforce retention. However, in the nicest way I can, I do think people need to not be naive. Any time personalities are involved, they may do something illogical for irrational reasons, vindictive reasons and whatever other reason that grown adults may let these poor youth get caught in the crossfire. So, I am suggesting that any club may choose to withhold information or enforce whatever policy they choose. I've seen it done. So, just look out for your player, because I've seen players get hung out before - even when it makes no sense.


No dispute with any of that. There are risks but the procedure is pretty clear. And move in season in January would be tough to do but in regards to attending ID sessions one need only to inform their DA that they wish to attend another DA’s ID session.


Yeah and again, I know I'm off topic, but I've heard rumors of non-Spirit players getting harassment when they try to do that. I wish we could petition US Soccer to change the rule. I still maintain any player should be allowed to attend any ID session they want. And as long as they fulfill their club commitments, it is none of any DA club's business what ID sessions they attend. It's stupid.
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There’s a difference between attending ID sessions and abandoning ship, as some were suggesting. I’d guess that ID session attendance would be allowed. Player release is a different story. And I don’t think that’s a problem at all. It’s a rational, adult way to handle it.
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What would be the point of dissolving Spirit VA DA? Maryland is still in place, the coaching staff is already set, parents have paid, so what would be the reason?
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