Is the UVA and Charlottesville brand damaged forever?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For me, the lacrosse murder and then the Rolling Stone article were strike one and two with strike 3 being the neo nazi march. I don't think that makes me oversensitive.

To the PP who suggests the AA female student attend GMU instead, academically GMU might not be the right fit.

You do realize the Rolling Stone article was false? That Rolling Stone had to pay damages to UVA for that piece? UVA, as an institution, had nothing to do with the alt.right march. UVA didn't even know they were going to march there the night before the permit-allowed protest in Charlottesville.

As to the "lacrosse murder" I think you are confusing it with the Duke Lacrosse case. Please read here as to the 9 year old story of what actually happened, which could happen on any campus in the world. Huguely did not intend to kill his girlfriend. Alcohol was involved. Lacrosse was not. https://www.today.com/news/george-huguely-s-mother-speaks-out-first-time-death-yeardley-t107308

The lacrosse murder was UVA. ??

There was Hannah Graham too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For me, the lacrosse murder and then the Rolling Stone article were strike one and two with strike 3 being the neo nazi march. I don't think that makes me oversensitive.

To the PP who suggests the AA female student attend GMU instead, academically GMU might not be the right fit.

You do realize the Rolling Stone article was false? That Rolling Stone had to pay damages to UVA for that piece? UVA, as an institution, had nothing to do with the alt.right march. UVA didn't even know they were going to march there the night before the permit-allowed protest in Charlottesville.

As to the "lacrosse murder" I think you are confusing it with the Duke Lacrosse case. Please read here as to the 9 year old story of what actually happened, which could happen on any campus in the world. Huguely did not intend to kill his girlfriend. Alcohol was involved. Lacrosse was not. https://www.today.com/news/george-huguely-s-mother-speaks-out-first-time-death-yeardley-t107308

The lacrosse murder was UVA. ??

There was Hannah Graham too.

Yes. Love case was UVA.

UVA’s challenge is that every August will remind prospective applicants of their doubts about attending a southern school. Non-southerners are reminded of things like the Klu klux klan and civil rights marches and a very repulsive part of our country’s history. Last summer’s event only serves to remind that that racism continues to thrive in the south. Not super attractive

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For me, the lacrosse murder and then the Rolling Stone article were strike one and two with strike 3 being the neo nazi march. I don't think that makes me oversensitive.

To the PP who suggests the AA female student attend GMU instead, academically GMU might not be the right fit.

You do realize the Rolling Stone article was false? That Rolling Stone had to pay damages to UVA for that piece? UVA, as an institution, had nothing to do with the alt.right march. UVA didn't even know they were going to march there the night before the permit-allowed protest in Charlottesville.

As to the "lacrosse murder" I think you are confusing it with the Duke Lacrosse case. Please read here as to the 9 year old story of what actually happened, which could happen on any campus in the world. Huguely did not intend to kill his girlfriend. Alcohol was involved. Lacrosse was not. https://www.today.com/news/george-huguely-s-mother-speaks-out-first-time-death-yeardley-t107308

The lacrosse murder was UVA. ??

There was Hannah Graham too.

Again, UVA had nothing to do with Hannah Graham. She was walking in the wee hours of the morning on the mall in Charlottesville and was last seen with a man not affiliated in any way with UVA. She made some tragic decisions that night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

This is correct. I was there that day and evening. Teresa Sullivan had no idea the protesters (alums or not) were going to march on the PUBLIC university grounds. She and Board and lawyers had been informed about the protest in the town only. The town had issued a permit. Nevertheless, Sullivan issued letters to all parents (no students were on campus yet), students' emails, faculty and staff email warning of the protest and suggesting that everyone steer clear of the protest area if in the town. I was even in the mall nearest the campus and didn't notice a single abnormality in late afternoon - certainly no rash of tiki torch sales at the Bed Bath & Beyond. It simply wasn't known that the alt-righters planned to march the evening before on campus. I think the school did what it could under very difficult circumstances. Sullivan was told by the Governor that UVA is a public university so campus police could do nothing. Charlottesville was not prepared for what happened, the police were not prepared (remember the two cops who also died the next day); the Governor of Va certainly was not prepared. UVA had nothing to do with the protest and I think most people understand that. Nevertheless, the University has taken many steps both to make the campus as welcoming as it can to black students (including the new memorial for slaves who helped build the university) and MANY security precautions taken for this last weekend. I can post those lists but sense that there are bigots here who don't want to hear good things about the University which is a shame. Sometimes it is just easier to wallow in ignorance and be critical rather than actually go and visit the University and walk the mall in Charlottesville and realize what good there is there.

May I suggest you break up a long paragraph like this in the future? You certainly have a lot to say.

And what does your comment add to the discussion? Nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For me, the lacrosse murder and then the Rolling Stone article were strike one and two with strike 3 being the neo nazi march. I don't think that makes me oversensitive.

To the PP who suggests the AA female student attend GMU instead, academically GMU might not be the right fit.

You do realize the Rolling Stone article was false? That Rolling Stone had to pay damages to UVA for that piece? UVA, as an institution, had nothing to do with the alt.right march. UVA didn't even know they were going to march there the night before the permit-allowed protest in Charlottesville.




As to the "lacrosse murder" I think you are confusing it with the Duke Lacrosse case. Please read here as to the 9 year old story of what actually happened, which could happen on any campus in the world. Huguely did not intend to kill his girlfriend. Alcohol was involved. Lacrosse was not. https://www.today.com/news/george-huguely-s-mother-speaks-out-first-time-death-yeardley-t107308

I guess it's easy for PP to mix up which southern fratboy is murdering or raping which classmate. Might have been thinking of UVA sophomore fratboy Steven Dalton Baril, who was arrested for raping a classmate he meet at a campus bar.

They drank shots at the off-campus bar. Alcohol was a factor. She let him into her off-campus apartment. She agreed to a plea deal. He entered an Alford plea. He's not doing time and he is no longer enrolled as a student at UVA. Again, alcohol is the problem and bad choices, not UVA.

[Anonymous]

Again, UVA had nothing to do with Hannah Graham. She was walking in the wee hours of the morning on the mall in Charlottesville and was last seen with a man not affiliated in any way with UVA. She made some tragic decisions that night.

How can you justify this comment? She was a UVA student, and the school and town failed to keep her safe! Do not blame the victim. At any school in the nation, the school would take part of the blame if one of their students were murdered on or near the campus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Again, UVA had nothing to do with Hannah Graham. She was walking in the wee hours of the morning on the mall in Charlottesville and was last seen with a man not affiliated in any way with UVA. She made some tragic decisions that night.

How can you justify this comment? She was a UVA student, and the school and town failed to keep her safe! Do not blame the victim. At any school in the nation, the school would take part of the blame if one of their students were murdered on or near the campus.

Would NYU take part of the blame for a student murdered in Midtown? Doubt it. Same scenario here. Charlottesville is a city. Heck, people go missing in rural Iowa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One AA student I know there is now in her second year and says that she totally regrets it.

why? What specifically is the problem?

She said that the students are polarized.

Oh for God's sake, they are not. DC had three roommates of color last year. No issues. No students are there right now and no students were there in 2017. This is really a non-issue on campus. If An AA student is unhappy they should transfer. GMU, for example, is the most diverse of all the UVA schools.

NP. Your child didn't have this experience so it didn't exist for the other student? Only one experience can be valid, the one that supports your view? What college did you attend because it seems they failed you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For me, the lacrosse murder and then the Rolling Stone article were strike one and two with strike 3 being the neo nazi march. I don't think that makes me oversensitive.

To the PP who suggests the AA female student attend GMU instead, academically GMU might not be the right fit.

You do realize the Rolling Stone article was false? That Rolling Stone had to pay damages to UVA for that piece? UVA, as an institution, had nothing to do with the alt.right march. UVA didn't even know they were going to march there the night before the permit-allowed protest in Charlottesville.

As to the "lacrosse murder" I think you are confusing it with the Duke Lacrosse case. Please read here as to the 9 year old story of what actually happened, which could happen on any campus in the world. Huguely did not intend to kill his girlfriend. Alcohol was involved. Lacrosse was not. https://www.today.com/news/george-huguely-s-mother-speaks-out-first-time-death-yeardley-t107308

Wait HOLD THE PHONE.

Did you just say "Huguely did not intend to kill his girlfriend"?????????

He was convicted of 2nd degree murder which is the INTENTIONAL murder of a person. He was convicted of INTENTIONALLY killing Yardley Love.

Are you insane! That's UVA for you.

[Anonymous]

Basically it's a state school that's not very good at any of the most demanding and difficult majors. That leaves lots of leisure time for drinking and bad/and or criminal behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For me, the lacrosse murder and then the Rolling Stone article were strike one and two with strike 3 being the neo nazi march. I don't think that makes me oversensitive.

To the PP who suggests the AA female student attend GMU instead, academically GMU might not be the right fit.

You do realize the Rolling Stone article was false? That Rolling Stone had to pay damages to UVA for that piece? UVA, as an institution, had nothing to do with the alt.right march. UVA didn't even know they were going to march there the night before the permit-allowed protest in Charlottesville.

As to the "lacrosse murder" I think you are confusing it with the Duke Lacrosse case. Please read here as to the 9 year old story of what actually happened, which could happen on any campus in the world. Huguely did not intend to kill his girlfriend. Alcohol was involved. Lacrosse was not. https://www.today.com/news/george-huguely-s-mother-speaks-out-first-time-death-yeardley-t107308

The lacrosse murder was UVA. ??

There was Hannah Graham too.

Again, UVA had nothing to do with Hannah Graham. She was walking in the wee hours of the morning on the mall in Charlottesville and was last seen with a man not affiliated in any way with UVA. She made some tragic decisions that night.

The thread is about UVA *and* Charlottesville.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is correct. I was there that day and evening. Teresa Sullivan had no idea the protesters (alums or not) were going to march on the PUBLIC university grounds. She and Board and lawyers had been informed about the protest in the town only. The town had issued a permit. Nevertheless, Sullivan issued letters to all parents (no students were on campus yet), students' emails, faculty and staff email warning of the protest and suggesting that everyone steer clear of the protest area if in the town. I was even in the mall nearest the campus and didn't notice a single abnormality in late afternoon - certainly no rash of tiki torch sales at the Bed Bath & Beyond. It simply wasn't known that the alt-righters planned to march the evening before on campus. I think the school did what it could under very difficult circumstances. Sullivan was told by the Governor that UVA is a public university so campus police could do nothing. Charlottesville was not prepared for what happened, the police were not prepared (remember the two cops who also died the next day); the Governor of Va certainly was not prepared. UVA had nothing to do with the protest and I think most people understand that. Nevertheless, the University has taken many steps both to make the campus as welcoming as it can to black students (including the new memorial for slaves who helped build the university) and MANY security precautions taken for this last weekend. I can post those lists but sense that there are bigots here who don't want to hear good things about the University which is a shame. Sometimes it is just easier to wallow in ignorance and be critical rather than actually go and visit the University and walk the mall in Charlottesville and realize what good there is there.

May I suggest you break up a long paragraph like this in the future? You certainly have a lot to say.

And what does your comment add to the discussion? Nothing.

DP. It said “break up your huge post if you want people to actually read it”. Seems like helpful feedback.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For me, the lacrosse murder and then the Rolling Stone article were strike one and two with strike 3 being the neo nazi march. I don't think that makes me oversensitive.

To the PP who suggests the AA female student attend GMU instead, academically GMU might not be the right fit.

You do realize the Rolling Stone article was false? That Rolling Stone had to pay damages to UVA for that piece? UVA, as an institution, had nothing to do with the alt.right march. UVA didn't even know they were going to march there the night before the permit-allowed protest in Charlottesville.

As to the "lacrosse murder" I think you are confusing it with the Duke Lacrosse case. Please read here as to the 9 year old story of what actually happened, which could happen on any campus in the world. Huguely did not intend to kill his girlfriend. Alcohol was involved. Lacrosse was not. https://www.today.com/news/george-huguely-s-mother-speaks-out-first-time-death-yeardley-t107308

The lacrosse murder was UVA. ??

There was Hannah Graham too.

Yes. Love case was UVA.

UVA’s challenge is that every August will remind prospective applicants of their doubts about attending a southern school. Non-southerners are reminded of things like the Klu klux klan and civil rights marches and a very repulsive part of our country’s history. Last summer’s event only serves to remind that that racism continues to thrive in the south. Not super attractive

Another northerner thinks racism is a problem in the south alone. This is the kind of attitude less racists thrive in cities all over our country. Open your eyes. The people prosecuted after Charlottesville were from all over the country. They were attracted to Charlottesville because those two alumni called them in with the removal of the confederate statues as their excuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rape U

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/grade-point/wp/2016/06/07/these-colleges-have-the-most-reports-of-rape/

REPORTS. I would be more concerned about schools with strangely low numbers. Those are campuses where women aren’t being encouraged to report and seek help.

[Anonymous]

Easy to graduate from a school that sucks in math and science. All that's left is the easy stuff with subjective answers to questions and multiple choice tests. Leaves more time for drinking, rape and still being able to graduate. Makes sense why no Nobel alumni.