How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions

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Anonymous wrote:To put it in the language of Chinese intellectuals -- Lu Xun would say many of these high scoring kids (and it seems their boosters) are just a modern version of Ah Q. They lack the ability to see beyond their personal perspective, how they are perceived by others, or understand how others might see things differently. Just because you did well on the SATs you deserve priority to get in to Harvard and damn the consequences for anyone else. And, ignore that others might include different measure of achievement and success than the ones you are good at.

Bingo.

Tiger Moms study this message and take it seriously.

Guys, from one white person to another, posting and congratulating each other on this kind of crap actually bolsters the Asians’ case. You’re demonstrating so clearly that white people are all programmed to see Asians as test-taking robots with tiger moms and no amount of extracurricular achievement or personal characteristics can change your perception.

I gained my perceptions of culture of Asian kids and Tiger Moms while my kids were in FCPS. It's not a myth.

Is this like saying most white kids would rather play sports than study because that's what I've experienced.

I find it interesting that people don't want students be judged as a monolithic group, ie, just because a black student got into Harvard it doesn't mean that person is not qualified, but don't want to look at Asian American students as individuals, ie, if you didn't get in to Harvard but had top scores it must mean because you are a robot and a have personality of a rock.

Lots of white kids get into elite universities even though they are dumbsh1ts because their folks have money, Trump, Bush, etc.. If you have money and got into an elite university and are white, it must be because your mommy and daddy bought your admittance for you even though you are as dumb as a rock.

see how that works, folks.

The truth is all kids would rather play than study! That is healthy and normal. It is not healthy and normal to deprive kids of play and childhood so they can study. It leads to APT, then no Harvard, then parents feel their dreams die.

OK, so let's just let kids play and not study. What is "too much" studying to you? If my larlo studies one extra hour than your's is that too much?

BTW, I don't dream of my kids going to Harvard. I'd be happy with UMD. But what Harvard is doing today is not that different than what they did years ago to Jews. Their own study started to show their bias and so they killed the study.

It’s not different at all to what Harvard did to Jews a generation ago. And our grandchildren will look back at this time and shake their head at the say discrimination against Asians was legitimized, just as we look back and are ashamed at the anti-semitism that kept Jews out not so long ago.

I agree, it isn't different, it is a continuation of the same policy.

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This is not the right time for a lawsuit like this given the rising anti immigrant sentiment. This lawsuit will be thrown out as it should.

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White people content with the status quo have an interest in portraying this as a Asian vs. protected minorities fight.

Not only is it NOT so, it also does not make sense, since the only minority that is being unfairly treated in this particular instance are Asians.

So don't fall for it.

Perhaps you missed the part of the OP's article that said:

"What brought the Asian-American number down to roughly 18 percent, or about the actual share, was accounting for a category called “demographic,” the study found. This pushed up African-American and Hispanic numbers, while reducing whites and Asian-Americans."

And you believe that? Of course it's not that. It's Harvard choosing lower-scoring white applicants for supposedly "soft" skills no one can prove they have, over all minorities, which particularly affects Asians, because they are objectively more qualified than other groups. But get this - if Harvard did away with some of the legacy and athlete admissions, ALL MINORITIES WOULD BENEFIT.

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Harvard's class of 2022 - from the Harvard Crimson:

"The percentage of minority admits rose across racial groups relative to last year’s levels. A record 15.5 percent of admitted students are African American, up from last year’s 14.6 percent. Latino admits increased to 12.2 percent from last year’s 11.6 percent. Native American admits grew marginally this year to 2 percent, up from last year’s 1.9 percent. Asian American admits went up to a record 22.7 percent, compared to last year’s 22.2 percent.."

Asians proportionally represented. Really the only under-represnted group now is whites. I guess they should sue, huh?

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Anonymous wrote:This is not the right time for a lawsuit like this given the rising anti immigrant sentiment. This lawsuit will be thrown out as it should.

Yes, but not for that reason.
Because on constitutional grounds Harvard is not the government.
Because Asians are not disparately impacted by the selection process, and
the use of race as a factor in college admissions decisions is perfectly legal.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not the right time for a lawsuit like this given the rising anti immigrant sentiment. This lawsuit will be thrown out as it should.

Yes, but not for that reason.
Because on constitutional grounds Harvard is not the government.
Because Asians are not disparately impacted by the selection process, and
the use of race as a factor in college admissions decisions is perfectly legal.

They are.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not the right time for a lawsuit like this given the rising anti immigrant sentiment. This lawsuit will be thrown out as it should.

Yes, but not for that reason.
Because on constitutional grounds Harvard is not the government.
Because Asians are not disparately impacted by the selection process, and
the use of race as a factor in college admissions decisions is perfectly legal.

They are.

no, they're proportionally represented. No claim there.

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I think this lawsuit will actually hurt Asians in the future because when they lose, the colleges will feel freer to continue their policies that keep the percentage of Asians in rough proportion to their percent of the applicants.

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Thete are many valid civil rights issues but Asians at Harvard is not one of them.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not the right time for a lawsuit like this given the rising anti immigrant sentiment. This lawsuit will be thrown out as it should.

Yes, but not for that reason.
Because on constitutional grounds Harvard is not the government.
Because Asians are not disparately impacted by the selection process, and
the use of race as a factor in college admissions decisions is perfectly legal.

They are.

no, they're proportionally represented. No claim there.

It's not a question of proportional representation, for dear Lord's sake. This is college. Why would they go through an admissions rigmarole to just admit with proportional representation?
No, Asians had demonstrably higher achievements in all areas, including those usually considered soft skills, and were admitted at a lower rate than their achievements would have warranted.

That is discrimination, and it should stop.

Again, if certain people are better at certain things, why would you want to push them out just because you don't want their ethnicity in the house? These are the people who will figure out your colon cancer treatment, who will create new frameworks for macro-economics, who will become lawyers then politicians -you might just want to admit the best and brightest without pausing to consider whether they are originally from the east or west, south or north.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the guy - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-casemaker/special-report-behind-u-s-race-cases-a-little-known-recruiter-idUSBRE8B30V220121204

If you have a problem with him, you are anti-Semitic FYI

It's very interesting that the plaintiff in this lawsuit purporting to represent Asian students is a white guy named Blum who wants to end affirmative action -- the same guy who lost the Texas v,.Fisher lawsuit. If they lose, Asians will be worse off, not better.

Not at all. They will keep trying, and eventually, they will win.

And why is it surprising that a white person would spearhead such an attempt? Where does it say that only a representative from X minority has the right to advocate for them?
We're in 2018, not in 1950.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, but as a private institution, they apparently can do that. The real question is why do so many Asians still want to attend and support an institution which is clearly biased against them? Is that really where you want to send your child? And do you really want to give them your money ? I don't, but alone that won't mean much.

Because Harvard is not ONE person. The world-class research done there is led by people at the top of their fields, some of them Nobels, a lot of them foreigners, who couldn't care less what skin color or names their students have. Intellectually curious students want to go to the top institutions for that type of environment. Most top universities discriminate against Asians, probably unconsciously, but in a statistically significant way. This needs to come out in the open so that admission people are aware of their own unconscious biases. They need racial sensitivity training. They need to hire admissions officers who represent the applicants' ethnic origins. They cannot correct their prejudice if they don't know it's there.

They do know. It is intentional and always has been.

Then that makes lawsuits even more critical.

+1.

Now, this will only stop when Dems stop taking Asian Americans for granted.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not the right time for a lawsuit like this given the rising anti immigrant sentiment. This lawsuit will be thrown out as it should.

Yes, but not for that reason.
Because on constitutional grounds Harvard is not the government.
Because Asians are not disparately impacted by the selection process, and
the use of race as a factor in college admissions decisions is perfectly legal.

They are.

no, they're proportionally represented. No claim there.

It's not a question of proportional representation, for dear Lord's sake. This is college. Why would they go through an admissions rigmarole to just admit with proportional representation?
No, Asians had demonstrably higher achievements in all areas, including those usually considered soft skills, and were admitted at a lower rate than their achievements would have warranted.

That is discrimination, and it should stop.

Again, if certain people are better at certain things, why would you want to push them out just because you don't want their ethnicity in the house? These are the people who will figure out your colon cancer treatment, who will create new frameworks for macro-economics, who will become lawyers then politicians -you might just want to admit the best and brightest without pausing to consider whether they are originally from the east or west, south or north.

Americans are way overrepresented in US colleges.

So unfair.

Signed,

Bilingual immigrant

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Anonymous wrote:This is the guy - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-casemaker/special-report-behind-u-s-race-cases-a-little-known-recruiter-idUSBRE8B30V220121204

If you have a problem with him, you are anti-Semitic FYI

It's very interesting that the plaintiff in this lawsuit purporting to represent Asian students is a white guy named Blum who wants to end affirmative action -- the same guy who lost the Texas v,.Fisher lawsuit. If they lose, Asians will be worse off, not better.

Not at all. They will keep trying, and eventually, they will win.

And why is it surprising that a white person would spearhead such an attempt? Where does it say that only a representative from X minority has the right to advocate for them?
We're in 2018, not in 1950.

You misread me. I am suggesting the plaintiff, the Students for Fair Admissions, don't really care about increasing the number of Asian students at Harvard. They care about eliminating affirmative action which, I assume, we can all agree will hurt black and Hispanic students the most. I also think their chances of winning are small, and a loss could establish a binding precedent that Harvard's current admissions practices are completely lawful. Asian advocacy groups should think about this carefully.

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Very funny.

Reminds me of all that advice for raped women not to denounce what happened and think "carefully" instead.