How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions

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Anonymous wrote:If they are successful in this suit, the losers will be other under represented minorities.

The TJ crowd has no problem with that. They are bathing in it now.

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Anonymous wrote:To put it in the language of Chinese intellectuals -- Lu Xun would say many of these high scoring kids (and it seems their boosters) are just a modern version of Ah Q. They lack the ability to see beyond their personal perspective, how they are perceived by others, or understand how others might see things differently. Just because you did well on the SATs you deserve priority to get in to Harvard and damn the consequences for anyone else. And, ignore that others might include different measure of achievement and success than the ones you are good at.

Bingo.

Tiger Moms study this message and take it seriously.

Guys, from one white person to another, posting and congratulating each other on this kind of crap actually bolsters the Asians’ case. You’re demonstrating so clearly that white people are all programmed to see Asians as test-taking robots with tiger moms and no amount of extracurricular achievement or personal characteristics can change your perception.

I gained my perceptions of culture of Asian kids and Tiger Moms while my kids were in FCPS. It's not a myth.

Is this like saying most white kids would rather play sports than study because that's what I've experienced.

I find it interesting that people don't want students be judged as a monolithic group, ie, just because a black student got into Harvard it doesn't mean that person is not qualified, but don't want to look at Asian American students as individuals, ie, if you didn't get in to Harvard but had top scores it must mean because you are a robot and a have personality of a rock.

Lots of white kids get into elite universities even though they are dumbsh1ts because their folks have money, Trump, Bush, etc.. If you have money and got into an elite university and are white, it must be because your mommy and daddy bought your admittance for you even though you are as dumb as a rock.

see how that works, folks.

The truth is all kids would rather play than study! That is healthy and normal. It is not healthy and normal to deprive kids of play and childhood so they can study. It leads to APT, then no Harvard, then parents feel their dreams die.

OK, so let's just let kids play and not study. What is "too much" studying to you? If my larlo studies one extra hour than your's is that too much?

BTW, I don't dream of my kids going to Harvard. I'd be happy with UMD. But what Harvard is doing today is not that different than what they did years ago to Jews. Their own study started to show their bias and so they killed the study.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, well, well, Here it is right in the early paragraph of the article:

"Asian-Americans scored higher than applicants of any other racial or ethnic group on admissions measures like test scores, grades and extracurricular activities, according to the analysis commissioned by a group that opposes all race-based admissions criteria."

So in order to get more Asians into Harvard this group opposes the use of race as a factor in admissions decisions. That is not the law at the present time, so it will have to be decided by the Supreme Court, but the implication is they have no interest in diversity or equal opportunity for black and Hispanic students. Only themselves.

In order for Harvard to treat people equally, this group opposes race as a factor.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, well, well, Here it is right in the early paragraph of the article:

"Asian-Americans scored higher than applicants of any other racial or ethnic group on admissions measures like test scores, grades and extracurricular activities, according to the analysis commissioned by a group that opposes all race-based admissions criteria."

So in order to get more Asians into Harvard this group opposes the use of race as a factor in admissions decisions. That is not the law at the present time, so it will have to be decided by the Supreme Court, but the implication is they have no interest in diversity or equal opportunity for black and Hispanic students. Only themselves.

In order for Harvard to treat people equally, this group opposes race as a factor.

This is clearly a problem and hopefully enough for a judge to rule in favor of Harvard. Amazing that Asians seem to be ok with pushing out blacks and Hispanics in order to increase their chances of admission. No wonder they are rated so low in “positive personality, likability, courage, kindness and being widely respected."

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I am a white parent and I have no problem with Harvard and other using less subjective criteria and thus accepting a less diverse class each year. Harvard is right-- it devalues the Harvard experience for everyone else if one or the other group is overrepresented. But the kids who have been unfairly discriminated against based on their race (asians, primarily) have a claim. So go for it--admit only the most qualified kids and see where the institution is in 30 years. People want diversity. The last place I'd ever want to send my kids is TJ.

[Anonymous]

Considering race or gender in admissions is NOT OK.

Admissions officers should look at applicants without seeing the names, sex or purported ethnicity of students. If students share info in their personal statements, that's fine because it's their choice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, well, well, Here it is right in the early paragraph of the article:

"Asian-Americans scored higher than applicants of any other racial or ethnic group on admissions measures like test scores, grades and extracurricular activities, according to the analysis commissioned by a group that opposes all race-based admissions criteria."

So in order to get more Asians into Harvard this group opposes the use of race as a factor in admissions decisions. That is not the law at the present time, so it will have to be decided by the Supreme Court, but the implication is they have no interest in diversity or equal opportunity for black and Hispanic students. Only themselves.

In order for Harvard to treat people equally, this group opposes race as a factor.

This is clearly a problem and hopefully enough for a judge to rule in favor of Harvard. Amazing that Asians seem to be ok with pushing out blacks and Hispanics in order to increase their chances of admission. No wonder they are rated so low in “positive personality, likability, courage, kindness and being widely respected."

Asians are not “ok with pushing out blacks and Hispanics”. They just want to be like Whites who don’t have quotas on their admission like Asians do. Plus let’s not forget that whites are disproportionately and unfairly advantaged by legacy admissions. Harvard wasn’t accepting a whole lot of students of color 40 years ago yet the children of Harvard students will have a 30% boost to their admissions likelihood by virtue of birth.

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Considering race or gender in admissions is NOT OK.

Admissions officers should look at applicants without seeing the names, sex or purported ethnicity of students. If students share info in their personal statements, that's fine because it's their choice.

Well the last time this was looked at by the Supreme Court, in U of Texas v. Fisher in 2016, the Supreme Court decided that use of race as a factor in admissions decisions was lawful.

[Anonymous]

White people content with the status quo have an interest in portraying this as a Asian vs. protected minorities fight.

Not only is it NOT so, it also does not make sense, since the only minority that is being unfairly treated in this particular instance are Asians.

So don't fall for it.

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Anonymous wrote:To put it in the language of Chinese intellectuals -- Lu Xun would say many of these high scoring kids (and it seems their boosters) are just a modern version of Ah Q. They lack the ability to see beyond their personal perspective, how they are perceived by others, or understand how others might see things differently. Just because you did well on the SATs you deserve priority to get in to Harvard and damn the consequences for anyone else. And, ignore that others might include different measure of achievement and success than the ones you are good at.

Bingo.

Tiger Moms study this message and take it seriously.

Guys, from one white person to another, posting and congratulating each other on this kind of crap actually bolsters the Asians’ case. You’re demonstrating so clearly that white people are all programmed to see Asians as test-taking robots with tiger moms and no amount of extracurricular achievement or personal characteristics can change your perception.

I gained my perceptions of culture of Asian kids and Tiger Moms while my kids were in FCPS. It's not a myth.

Is this like saying most white kids would rather play sports than study because that's what I've experienced.

I find it interesting that people don't want students be judged as a monolithic group, ie, just because a black student got into Harvard it doesn't mean that person is not qualified, but don't want to look at Asian American students as individuals, ie, if you didn't get in to Harvard but had top scores it must mean because you are a robot and a have personality of a rock.

Lots of white kids get into elite universities even though they are dumbsh1ts because their folks have money, Trump, Bush, etc.. If you have money and got into an elite university and are white, it must be because your mommy and daddy bought your admittance for you even though you are as dumb as a rock.

see how that works, folks.

The truth is all kids would rather play than study! That is healthy and normal. It is not healthy and normal to deprive kids of play and childhood so they can study. It leads to APT, then no Harvard, then parents feel their dreams die.

OK, so let's just let kids play and not study. What is "too much" studying to you? If my larlo studies one extra hour than your's is that too much?

BTW, I don't dream of my kids going to Harvard. I'd be happy with UMD. But what Harvard is doing today is not that different than what they did years ago to Jews. Their own study started to show their bias and so they killed the study.

It’s not different at all to what Harvard did to Jews a generation ago. And our grandchildren will look back at this time and shake their head at the say discrimination against Asians was legitimized, just as we look back and are ashamed at the anti-semitism that kept Jews out not so long ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:


Considering race or gender in admissions is NOT OK.

Admissions officers should look at applicants without seeing the names, sex or purported ethnicity of students. If students share info in their personal statements, that's fine because it's their choice.

Well the last time this was looked at by the Supreme Court, in U of Texas v. Fisher in 2016, the Supreme Court decided that use of race as a factor in admissions decisions was lawful.

Which is sad, and a sign that the shadow of slavery still continues to poison ALL race relations.

It should not be like this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, well, well, Here it is right in the early paragraph of the article:

"Asian-Americans scored higher than applicants of any other racial or ethnic group on admissions measures like test scores, grades and extracurricular activities, according to the analysis commissioned by a group that opposes all race-based admissions criteria."

So in order to get more Asians into Harvard this group opposes the use of race as a factor in admissions decisions. That is not the law at the present time, so it will have to be decided by the Supreme Court, but the implication is they have no interest in diversity or equal opportunity for black and Hispanic students. Only themselves.

In order for Harvard to treat people equally, this group opposes race as a factor.

This is clearly a problem and hopefully enough for a judge to rule in favor of Harvard. Amazing that Asians seem to be ok with pushing out blacks and Hispanics in order to increase their chances of admission. No wonder they are rated so low in “positive personality, likability, courage, kindness and being widely respected."

Asians are not “ok with pushing out blacks and Hispanics”. They just want to be like Whites who don’t have quotas on their admission like Asians do. Plus let’s not forget that whites are disproportionately and unfairly advantaged by legacy admissions. Harvard wasn’t accepting a whole lot of students of color 40 years ago yet the children of Harvard students will have a 30% boost to their admissions likelihood by virtue of birth.

Show me proof that there are quotas. I don't see any indication that there are quotas...and if you say there are, you could say the same about whites and other races.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


Considering race or gender in admissions is NOT OK.

Admissions officers should look at applicants without seeing the names, sex or purported ethnicity of students. If students share info in their personal statements, that's fine because it's their choice.

Well the last time this was looked at by the Supreme Court, in U of Texas v. Fisher in 2016, the Supreme Court decided that use of race as a factor in admissions decisions was lawful.

Lawful and OK are different criteria. I can be OK with something not lawful and something can be lawful without my being OK with it.

[Anonymous]

If Harvard gets TJ'd it will lose it's reputation and status at the top.

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White people content with the status quo have an interest in portraying this as a Asian vs. protected minorities fight.

Not only is it NOT so, it also does not make sense, since the only minority that is being unfairly treated in this particular instance are Asians.

So don't fall for it.

Perhaps you missed the part of the OP's article that said:

"What brought the Asian-American number down to roughly 18 percent, or about the actual share, was accounting for a category called “demographic,” the study found. This pushed up African-American and Hispanic numbers, while reducing whites and Asian-Americans."