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+1000 Miss compassion and kindness knows nothing of which she preaches. |
I posted earlier in this thread, but I would absolutely positively discuss this in scientific terms with my kids. I have explained it that way in relation to my bipolar brother. Whether or not the DSM is specifically mentioned is itrelevant. That is where I get my scientific information. And I do understand the DSM - I am not a psychiatrist but I am a doctor. So yes, I do believe this poster (who is not me, btw) would most certainly discuss the DSM with a 6 year old. |
+1 Same. And I wonder at Jeff's nasty streak showing up at the PP who merely made a statement regarding how she would approach this subject with her child. This deletion was inappropriate but it's hardly Jeff's first time at completely eliminating a point of view he doesn't want others to see or hear. |
Pretty sure I do. I work with the LGTBQ community. One of my closet friends is a fairly well-known transgender woman. She is an author and a very successful executive at a huge, international corporation. The company paid for much of her surgery. My youngest child is gay. People like you have suggested being homosexual is an illness. People who are transgender are not mentally ill. They are not "sad". They are human beings just like you. Try compassion. You might be surprised by what you learn. |
DP. Regardless of whether people who are transgender are "mentally ill," regarding homosexuality or transgenderism as a "mental illness" is not incompatible with compassion, nor is it dehumanizing. *You* want to twist it so that anyone who questions the normalization of being transgender automatically labelled hateful, but you fail to see that you're just shutting down legitimate debate and forbidding people from asking questions, which in the long run is arguably much more harmful to everyone. |
No. I just think telling a child that their friend's situation is "sad," and that the friend "needs help" or "is sick" is awful. Just truly awful. Why not say - "Michael feels more like a boy than a girl. So for now she is going to dress as a girl. And we will call her Michelle.". End of discussion. The great thing about young children is that they haven't learned to hate. At least I hope they haven't. |
Then you fail to appreciate that there ARE opinions out there that do not align with yours, and that these opinions are not based in hate or disregard for the child/individual in question. And quite frankly, your saying "end of discussion" does not make it so. And nor should it. |
Ok Angry lady. "End of discussion" was meant to refer to the way a child would see it. He would accept and move on. You sound very angry about something that obviously doesn't affect you at all. If I were you, I would spend some time exploring why I was so triggered by transgender people. |
NP. No one is “triggered.” We just disagree with you. I’m sorry you find this so baffling. |
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Thumbs up to the poster who quoted a post while saying that I should delete the post and then went on to have a back and forth discussion about the post. I always prefer to delete multiple posts rather than one. Maybe one day I'll add a "report" button so that posters aren't forced to post such messages in the actual thread. Naw, that would be too obvious.
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NP: I don't think it matters whether your opinions are based on hate of or disregard for the child/individual in question. Either way, it has the same effect: labeling so central a part of someone's identity as "sad," "sick" or "mentally ill" is profoundly painful and degrading. Your intent doesn't matter; the effect is the same. |
+1 Not angry or triggered at all. I do think SHE was angry and triggered though. Projection is always so interesting to see. |
What will you tell your kid about a kid with anorexia? Is it degrading to say that the person is having emotional problems or is mentally ill? No, it’s reality. You live in la la land where everything is roses. It’s not. Kids can understand that without freaking out like you are. |
NP. Actually, I am a Republican and think you are way off base. The really cool thing about living in the US is that someone can create a forum and moderate it any which way he/she wants as long as it doesn't incite immediate harm to others. If you don't like it go elsewhere. Like Jeff, you have the right to create your own forum and write whatever you want. See, problem solved! |
You can believe what you want, but like other posters, you have contradicted yourself. We were discussing whether anyone would discuss the DSM with a six year old. Given that "DSM" is the actual thing we were discussing, I don't see how that could be irrelevant. Obviously, many of us might discuss complex issues such as mental illness with children. However, we -- including you apparently -- would use language that is age appropriate. No six year old would understand what an adult meant by the DSM. Moreover, by justifying her position by referencing the DSM, the OP of this thread caused the discussion to divert into a debate about her understanding of the DSM. |