Why are you deleting my posts in the Explaining Transgenderism thread?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You just deleted a post in which I made the correct factual statement that transgenderism is a mental disorder in the DSM? Pray tell, why?

Maybe because it's not quite that cut and dry?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/04/gender-dysphoria-dsm-5_n_3385287.html

My question is for Jeff or the website admin. You obviously don’t want to argue with me on the facts. A HuffPo article, really? The DSM is a diagnostic manual of mental disorders. Instead of arguing with me with logic, you’re reporting my posts to get them deleted despite my posts being neither offensive nor factually incorrect. It’s really pathetic that you feel the need to do that.

My question for the pp: Do you believe the maxim that when given the choice between being right and being kind, always choose kind?

DP. Absolutely disagree. There are times to be kind and there are times when being right is more important. One does not superceded the other.

[jsteele]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You just deleted a post in which I made the correct factual statement that transgenderism is a mental disorder in the DSM? Pray tell, why?

Are you seriously going to tell a 6 year old that his friend is mentally ill based on what is listed in the DSM? Your statement may be factual, but it has little to do with the topic.

Uh, yes, I am. Are you serious? I’d tell a 6 year old the same thing if a friend was cutting themselves. I’d say, be nice to Larla because she’s having emotional problems that she’s working through. Given all the stuff in that thread, to delete MY posts as off topic. Really??

You just contradicted yourself. Are you going to say that the child has "emotional problems" or is "mentally ill because of what the DSM says"?

I have deleted a lot of posts from that thread and would be happy to delete more if anyone wants to report them. There are 70 posts in that thread and there are a lot of things I rather do than read every one of them.

That’s not a contradiction. It’s 6-year-old speak for “This is a mental illness in the DSM.” I feel comfortable describing it as “emotional problems” and not as normal BECAUSE it actually is in the DSM. Reinstate my posts please.

Sorry, I can't reinstate posts and even if I could, I would not reinstate one that uses language that you just admired that you would not actually use in the OP's situation. You still don't seem to understand the topic of the thread. It is not an opportunity for you to spout your opinions about transgender people. Rather, it is to assist the OP in explaining her child's friend's transition. Your attempted hijacking of the thread to debate what the DSM says (something which you are apparently wrong about) does not provide assistance to the OP.

Jeff, the only times you insist on such strict policing of whether something is "on topic" is when you need an excuse to content-restrict. Just pathetic that you're too cowardly to admit it.

I wonder what the DSM says about people who think that I read every post here? As I have explained a million times, the vast majority of my moderation is in response to reports. As you can see from posts in this thread, there are those who think the entire thread about explaining transgenderism should be deleted and there are those who think nothing should be deleted. I have received reports from all across the spectrum (well, no reports from those who want to post anything, but at least two Website Feedback complaints). In response to those reports, I am performing my role as moderator and attempting to find a middle ground.

If you would like to see similar moderation applied to other threads, please report them. But I suspect that you are not really interested in additional moderation.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

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I’m not wrong about it. Why do you say that? Because someone posted a HuffPo article? Can I go back to the original thread and explain why I’m not wrong? I didn’t hijack the thread. The relevance of it being a mental illness to what you tell your kids is pretty obvious but if you want me to spell that out in every post I make, fine.

I personally have zero understanding of the DSM or what it says. But, I don't think that I would be alone in giving more credit to a bylined Huffington Post article than a post by "Anonymous". Like all other posters, you are welcome to advise the OP in how to address this topic with her child. A debate on the broader topic is not welcome.

Frankly, Jeff, you just don't want people to read about how the DSM views gender dysphoria as a mental disorder or to discuss it. You choose to rather delete any mention of a dissenting opinion. Which is just a sad reflection on the stage of the Liberal community as a whole. This is exactly why people dislike the new brand of Liberalism. Frankly, it's dangerous and frightening.

OP here. +1. Jesus, this brand of liberalism seriously frightens me. I’ve never voted for a Republican in my life. I went to freakin’ liberal-ass Brown University. But I can’t post something about the DSM without getting flagged as a troll and chewed out by Jeff.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I’m not wrong about it. Why do you say that? Because someone posted a HuffPo article? Can I go back to the original thread and explain why I’m not wrong? I didn’t hijack the thread. The relevance of it being a mental illness to what you tell your kids is pretty obvious but if you want me to spell that out in every post I make, fine.

I personally have zero understanding of the DSM or what it says. But, I don't think that I would be alone in giving more credit to a bylined Huffington Post article than a post by "Anonymous". Like all other posters, you are welcome to advise the OP in how to address this topic with her child. A debate on the broader topic is not welcome.

Frankly, Jeff, you just don't want people to read about how the DSM views gender dysphoria as a mental disorder or to discuss it. You choose to rather delete any mention of a dissenting opinion. Which is just a sad reflection on the stage of the Liberal community as a whole. This is exactly why people dislike the new brand of Liberalism. Frankly, it's dangerous and frightening.

You are absolutely correct that I do not want discussion of the DSM in a thread in the Elementary School forum in which a poster is asking how to advise her 6 year old son.

It is clear that there is debate about what the DSM says as well as the importance of the DSM itself. A discussion of that might be interesting, but not in the thread under discussion. Why do folks like you devote so much effort to complaint like this when it would just as easy, if not easier, to start your own thread?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I’m not wrong about it. Why do you say that? Because someone posted a HuffPo article? Can I go back to the original thread and explain why I’m not wrong? I didn’t hijack the thread. The relevance of it being a mental illness to what you tell your kids is pretty obvious but if you want me to spell that out in every post I make, fine.

I personally have zero understanding of the DSM or what it says. But, I don't think that I would be alone in giving more credit to a bylined Huffington Post article than a post by "Anonymous". Like all other posters, you are welcome to advise the OP in how to address this topic with her child. A debate on the broader topic is not welcome.

Frankly, Jeff, you just don't want people to read about how the DSM views gender dysphoria as a mental disorder or to discuss it. You choose to rather delete any mention of a dissenting opinion. Which is just a sad reflection on the stage of the Liberal community as a whole. This is exactly why people dislike the new brand of Liberalism. Frankly, it's dangerous and frightening.

You are absolutely correct that I do not want discussion of the DSM in a thread in the Elementary School forum in which a poster is asking how to advise her 6 year old son.

It is clear that there is debate about what the DSM says as well as the importance of the DSM itself. A discussion of that might be interesting, but not in the thread under discussion. Why do folks like you devote so much effort to complaint like this when it would just as easy, if not easier, to start your own thread?

It’s obviously relevant to what you tell your kids. Whatever. You’ll do whatever you want, Jeff. You are, however, seriously reducing the credibility and usefulness of this site.

[Anonymous]

Transgenderism is not a mental disorder in the DSM. Gender dysmorphia (feeling strongly that your identity does not match your body to the point where it causes you problems) is the relevant disorder. Actually transitioning to a gender that matches your identity is a TREATMENT for gender dysmorphia.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You just deleted a post in which I made the correct factual statement that transgenderism is a mental disorder in the DSM? Pray tell, why?

Are you seriously going to tell a 6 year old that his friend is mentally ill based on what is listed in the DSM? Your statement may be factual, but it has little to do with the topic.

Uh, yes, I am. Are you serious? I’d tell a 6 year old the same thing if a friend was cutting themselves. I’d say, be nice to Larla because she’s having emotional problems that she’s working through. Given all the stuff in that thread, to delete MY posts as off topic. Really??

You just contradicted yourself. Are you going to say that the child has "emotional problems" or is "mentally ill because of what the DSM says"?

I have deleted a lot of posts from that thread and would be happy to delete more if anyone wants to report them. There are 70 posts in that thread and there are a lot of things I rather do than read every one of them.

That’s not a contradiction. It’s 6-year-old speak for “This is a mental illness in the DSM.” I feel comfortable describing it as “emotional problems” and not as normal BECAUSE it actually is in the DSM. Reinstate my posts please.

Sorry, I can't reinstate posts and even if I could, I would not reinstate one that uses language that you just admired that you would not actually use in the OP's situation. You still don't seem to understand the topic of the thread. It is not an opportunity for you to spout your opinions about transgender people. Rather, it is to assist the OP in explaining her child's friend's transition. Your attempted hijacking of the thread to debate what the DSM says (something which you are apparently wrong about) does not provide assistance to the OP.

Jeff, the only times you insist on such strict policing of whether something is "on topic" is when you need an excuse to content-restrict. Just pathetic that you're too cowardly to admit it.

I wonder what the DSM says about people who think that I read every post here? As I have explained a million times, the vast majority of my moderation is in response to reports. As you can see from posts in this thread, there are those who think the entire thread about explaining transgenderism should be deleted and there are those who think nothing should be deleted. I have received reports from all across the spectrum (well, no reports from those who want to post anything, but at least two Website Feedback complaints). In response to those reports, I am performing my role as moderator and attempting to find a middle ground.

If you would like to see similar moderation applied to other threads, please report them. But I suspect that you are not really interested in additional moderation.

Jeff, this is a lie. You deleted the comment because it alluded to being Transgendered as a "problem," which is a big no-no in current Liberal circles. It WAS actually on topic, because it addressed how to explain it to a child. Alas, for once, the science and medicine community actually supports this statement you erased from public discussion. Stop it with the lies and the justifications. You are far from being a fair moderator.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I’m not wrong about it. Why do you say that? Because someone posted a HuffPo article? Can I go back to the original thread and explain why I’m not wrong? I didn’t hijack the thread. The relevance of it being a mental illness to what you tell your kids is pretty obvious but if you want me to spell that out in every post I make, fine.

I personally have zero understanding of the DSM or what it says. But, I don't think that I would be alone in giving more credit to a bylined Huffington Post article than a post by "Anonymous". Like all other posters, you are welcome to advise the OP in how to address this topic with her child. A debate on the broader topic is not welcome.

Frankly, Jeff, you just don't want people to read about how the DSM views gender dysphoria as a mental disorder or to discuss it. You choose to rather delete any mention of a dissenting opinion. Which is just a sad reflection on the stage of the Liberal community as a whole. This is exactly why people dislike the new brand of Liberalism. Frankly, it's dangerous and frightening.

You are absolutely correct that I do not want discussion of the DSM in a thread in the Elementary School forum in which a poster is asking how to advise her 6 year old son.

It is clear that there is debate about what the DSM says as well as the importance of the DSM itself. A discussion of that might be interesting, but not in the thread under discussion. Why do folks like you devote so much effort to complaint like this when it would just as easy, if not easier, to start your own thread?

Jeff, new poster to this debate.

It actually is relevant in an elementary thread what the DSM says about this being a disorder as there is a big push by certain groups (and school board members in fcps) to teach down to the elementary level Huffington post opinions on this subject as settled science over what is actually research backed science.

The argument of teaching as opinion as fact to young children under a false cloak of kindness vs teaching compassion and kindness while recognizing science is a legitimate part of this discussion.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I’m not wrong about it. Why do you say that? Because someone posted a HuffPo article? Can I go back to the original thread and explain why I’m not wrong? I didn’t hijack the thread. The relevance of it being a mental illness to what you tell your kids is pretty obvious but if you want me to spell that out in every post I make, fine.

I personally have zero understanding of the DSM or what it says. But, I don't think that I would be alone in giving more credit to a bylined Huffington Post article than a post by "Anonymous". Like all other posters, you are welcome to advise the OP in how to address this topic with her child. A debate on the broader topic is not welcome.

In the latest version of the DSM, being transgender is NOT classified as a mental illness.
"Gender Dysphoria," which is a the sadness and anxiety that comes along with being seen as the wrong gender IS. The "cure" is to transition to the new gender. Then you are still transgendered, but you are no longer mentally ill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Transgenderism is not a mental disorder in the DSM. Gender dysmorphia (feeling strongly that your identity does not match your body to the point where it causes you problems) is the relevant disorder. Actually transitioning to a gender that matches your identity is a TREATMENT for gender dysmorphia.

But people don’t use the terminology in that way in the thread or in real life. OP asked about a “transgender” kid but that kid hadn’t fully transitioned but is rather suffering from gender dysmorphia. It’s semantics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sick of people whining about Jeff deleting their posts. Get over it. It's his website you're using for free.

That’s fine and I’m asking him to reconsider. And if he refuses constructive feedback and manages his free website in a ridiculous manner, I’ll go elsewhere.

Please do.

You know, it totally cracks me up that you’re shunning me because I don’t agree with you on this topic. I’m about as far from a Trumpster as you can get, but no wonder people having a bad impression of liberals who can’t tolerate any moderate dissent.

I'm not a liberal. I just hate whiners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I’m not wrong about it. Why do you say that? Because someone posted a HuffPo article? Can I go back to the original thread and explain why I’m not wrong? I didn’t hijack the thread. The relevance of it being a mental illness to what you tell your kids is pretty obvious but if you want me to spell that out in every post I make, fine.

I personally have zero understanding of the DSM or what it says. But, I don't think that I would be alone in giving more credit to a bylined Huffington Post article than a post by "Anonymous". Like all other posters, you are welcome to advise the OP in how to address this topic with her child. A debate on the broader topic is not welcome.

Frankly, Jeff, you just don't want people to read about how the DSM views gender dysphoria as a mental disorder or to discuss it. You choose to rather delete any mention of a dissenting opinion. Which is just a sad reflection on the stage of the Liberal community as a whole. This is exactly why people dislike the new brand of Liberalism. Frankly, it's dangerous and frightening.

OP here. +1. Jesus, this brand of liberalism seriously frightens me. I’ve never voted for a Republican in my life. I went to freakin’ liberal-ass Brown University. But I can’t post something about the DSM without getting flagged as a troll and chewed out by Jeff.

Yep.

It's hardly just Jeff though. Censuring, deleting, not letting the other side speak, deciding what speech is "allowed," is a disease that's taken root in Liberalism today. I used to up until very recently considered myself a moderate liberal but I have jumped ship. No freakin' way is this the way forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Transgenderism is not a mental disorder in the DSM. Gender dysmorphia (feeling strongly that your identity does not match your body to the point where it causes you problems) is the relevant disorder. Actually transitioning to a gender that matches your identity is a TREATMENT for gender dysmorphia.

But people don’t use the terminology in that way in the thread or in real life. OP asked about a “transgender” kid but that kid hadn’t fully transitioned but is rather suffering from gender dysmorphia. It’s semantics.

No, it's not. Because the relevant problem with the disorder is the DISTRESS. If someone is transitioning and isn't distressed about it, then they don't have gender dysmorphia. Shouldn't be a huge surprise that someone who is experiencing a certain kind of severe distress is classified as having a disorder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I’m not wrong about it. Why do you say that? Because someone posted a HuffPo article? Can I go back to the original thread and explain why I’m not wrong? I didn’t hijack the thread. The relevance of it being a mental illness to what you tell your kids is pretty obvious but if you want me to spell that out in every post I make, fine.

I personally have zero understanding of the DSM or what it says. But, I don't think that I would be alone in giving more credit to a bylined Huffington Post article than a post by "Anonymous". Like all other posters, you are welcome to advise the OP in how to address this topic with her child. A debate on the broader topic is not welcome.

In the latest version of the DSM, being transgender is NOT classified as a mental illness.
"Gender Dysphoria," which is a the sadness and anxiety that comes along with being seen as the wrong gender IS. The "cure" is to transition to the new gender. Then you are still transgendered, but you are no longer mentally ill.

I disagree with the semantic lines you are trying to draw. Being bipolar is in the DSM. If you take lithium, a treatment for being bipolar, you are “cured” in your terminology. But you’re still bipolar. You don’t stop being mentally disordered just because, in the case of gender dysmorphia, the most effective thing to do may be not to fight it and just transition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I’m not wrong about it. Why do you say that? Because someone posted a HuffPo article? Can I go back to the original thread and explain why I’m not wrong? I didn’t hijack the thread. The relevance of it being a mental illness to what you tell your kids is pretty obvious but if you want me to spell that out in every post I make, fine.

I personally have zero understanding of the DSM or what it says. But, I don't think that I would be alone in giving more credit to a bylined Huffington Post article than a post by "Anonymous". Like all other posters, you are welcome to advise the OP in how to address this topic with her child. A debate on the broader topic is not welcome.

In the latest version of the DSM, being transgender is NOT classified as a mental illness.
"Gender Dysphoria," which is a the sadness and anxiety that comes along with being seen as the wrong gender IS. The "cure" is to transition to the new gender. Then you are still transgendered, but you are no longer mentally ill.

I disagree with the semantic lines you are trying to draw. Being bipolar is in the DSM. If you take lithium, a treatment for being bipolar, you are “cured” in your terminology. But you’re still bipolar. You don’t stop being mentally disordered just because, in the case of gender dysmorphia, the most effective thing to do may be not to fight it and just transition.

You literally have no idea what gender dysmorphia is. It's the DISTRESS. Again, if you are fine with the transition and not feeling distressed, then by definition you are not experiencing gender dysmorphia. If you're going to argue this fervently about something, then please know what you're talking about.