Orrin Hatch is tired of funding CHIP

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Anonymous wrote:Hatch said today that the US didn't have money to pay for CHIP (but I guess it does have money for a $1.5T debt explosion for billionaires)

Class warfare at its best. Even if he kills everybody on CHIP and welfare, he will not even be close to balance the budget (1/3 goes to the defense industry, 1/3 goes to SS...) When did the GOP become so mean?

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Anonymous wrote:They've been living there for DECADES.

I pay taxes. I DO NOT resent any money going to AA's. The first video was in Portsmouth VA and the one above is DC. Northern VA sends more to the state than it gets back-pays for locals plus state plus then fed and frickin Alabama and illegals everywhere.

So I DO vehemently resent any 1 cent of my money going for illegals and that includes DACA which can now get ACA. Over the last few years the DC area got at least 8 high school buildings worth of Obama's minors. Think of it as buildings-they get CHIP. ACA funded clinics have cheap costs for illegals.

Bonds voted on in Dec https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2017/11/07/voters-approve-millions-in-bonds-for-northern-virginia-schools/?utm_term=.235dced18e40

28.4 m for an elementary school building construction-NW Fairfax. A new HS in Falls Church is 120 m. So for about every 2000 students estimate a high school building that costs 120m. 4420 to Fairfax thanks to Obama. How many section 8 or affordable housing units for our people is that?

Point is, someone stated there are no longer any welfare queens. It's just not true.

You don't know those people in the video. All of you should be ashamed. I had very good friends some of whom are now deceased that had grown up in different areas of the country. One elderly lady had come north after WW2 and had to drop out of HS as a freshman and picked cotton. Her children ended up going to college and she/they all lived in suburbs with good schools.

One of my best friends in college was from southern coastal VA-she had NO phone in her house. Pre cell phone days of course. On thing that really resonated with us was the fact that VA had Lee-Jackson-King Day until less than 20 years ago. The USA's first obligation is to AA's NOT Mexicans or central Americans etc.

Why should the USA's first obligation be to AAs rather than poor people of any race? You didn't mean to say our country should give more priority to poor blacks than poor whites, did you?

Poor whites who have had family in the USA for decades as well as AA's. Same for any PR /Hispanic whose family has been long term USA citizen.

That removes immigrants-legal and illegal, green card, DACA, etc. I used AA as my example since the persons looking for housing in Portsmouth VA were AA. AA mean AA-NOT Somalis, Nigerian, etc. Puerto Rican does not mean Central American or Mexican or Chinese grannies.

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Anonymous wrote:Hatch said today that the US didn't have money to pay for CHIP (but I guess it does have money for a $1.5T debt explosion for billionaires)

We pay more per capita on healthcare than any nation on the planet including every modern industrialized nation that provides socialized medicine to cover healthcare for kids. To say we don't have the money is utter bullshit. Our problem isn't lack of money, it's not being managed and allocated properly.

In our system, Big Insurance, Big Pharma, and Hospital Executives have to take their pound of flesh first.

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That's why more and more prescription drugs are produced overseas.

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Anonymous wrote:But he's good with the tax plan benefiting the rich passive investor (as opposed to the rich working person).

Apparently the quote during debate was:

“[L]et me tell you something: we’re going to do CHIP. There’s no question about it in my mind. It’s got to be done the right way. But we, the reason CHIP’s having trouble is because we don’t have money anymore.”

Hatch went on to condemn the idea of “more and more spending.” After praising the “terrific job” CHIP has done for families who need help, he immediately added, “I have a rough time wanting to spend billions and billions and trillions of dollars to help people who won’t help themselves – won’t lift a finger – and expect the federal government to do everything.”

Why don't we propose legislation to put all those CHIP kids to work in coal mines? And we could have a special provision for the coal mine owners that they pay no tax at all!

Why would anyone disagree with what is shown in bold?

Because CHIP is for children. Children are supposed to help themselves, lift a finger, to have health insurance? Don't be such a heartless turd.

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I was afraid of coming into this thread because of so much hate. For the haters and racists, are you this upset about farm subsidies, rural housing subsidies?

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Anonymous wrote:You don't let the kid "die in the gutter".

You take it away.

Im 8 hours late to the party but "you take IT away"?... It? You are talking about a fellow human being, a vulnerable, pliable one at that. A person, not a thing. What is wrong with you? Who hurt you so bad that you only see people as commodities?

But think of this. What if you embrace that child (or as you so fondly refer to them, "it")? What if you facilitate health insurance, shelter, education and foster homelife stability? Provide them with good nutrition and education throughout their young life? Expose them to lifestyles and cultures they may not know exist, while at the same time being nonjudgmental about the lifestyle they were born into.

Elevate, not denigrate. That is how you win hearts and minds.

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Anonymous wrote:I was afraid of coming into this thread because of so much hate. For the haters and racists, are you this upset about farm subsidies, rural housing subsidies?

Don’t you worry, Sonny Perdue is working overtime to undo all the gains small farmers got under the last administration.

And housing? Two words - Ben Carson.

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Anonymous wrote:But he's good with the tax plan benefiting the rich passive investor (as opposed to the rich working person).

Apparently the quote during debate was:

“[L]et me tell you something: we’re going to do CHIP. There’s no question about it in my mind. It’s got to be done the right way. But we, the reason CHIP’s having trouble is because we don’t have money anymore.”

Hatch went on to condemn the idea of “more and more spending.” After praising the “terrific job” CHIP has done for families who need help, he immediately added, “I have a rough time wanting to spend billions and billions and trillions of dollars to help people who won’t help themselves – won’t lift a finger – and expect the federal government to do everything.”

Why don't we propose legislation to put all those CHIP kids to work in coal mines? And we could have a special provision for the coal mine owners that they pay no tax at all!

Plus, if you qualify for Medicaid, you don't get Obamacare.

Why would anyone disagree with what is shown in bold?

That's not what CHIP is. That's my disagreement with what Hatch just said.

CHIP is children's health insurance. It's not helping people who won't lift a finger.

Don't they get Medicaid? We have three insurance programs to give care to poor and low income (free if they can't afford it): Medicaid, Obamacare, and CHIP. Do we really need all three? If people aren't poor enough for Medicaid, then they get free care through Obamacare. We don't need CHIP, too.

CHIP IS a Medicaid program. Jesus Christ, if you don't know what the fuck you are talking about just STFU.

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Anonymous wrote:But he's good with the tax plan benefiting the rich passive investor (as opposed to the rich working person).

Apparently the quote during debate was:

“[L]et me tell you something: we’re going to do CHIP. There’s no question about it in my mind. It’s got to be done the right way. But we, the reason CHIP’s having trouble is because we don’t have money anymore.”

Hatch went on to condemn the idea of “more and more spending.” After praising the “terrific job” CHIP has done for families who need help, he immediately added, “I have a rough time wanting to spend billions and billions and trillions of dollars to help people who won’t help themselves – won’t lift a finger – and expect the federal government to do everything.”

Why don't we propose legislation to put all those CHIP kids to work in coal mines? And we could have a special provision for the coal mine owners that they pay no tax at all!

Plus, if you qualify for Medicaid, you don't get Obamacare.

Why would anyone disagree with what is shown in bold?

That's not what CHIP is. That's my disagreement with what Hatch just said.

CHIP is children's health insurance. It's not helping people who won't lift a finger.

Don't they get Medicaid? We have three insurance programs to give care to poor and low income (free if they can't afford it): Medicaid, Obamacare, and CHIP. Do we really need all three? If people aren't poor enough for Medicaid, then they get free care through Obamacare. We don't need CHIP, too.

CHIP IS a Medicaid program. Jesus Christ, if you don't know what the fuck you are talking about just STFU.

CHIP isn't a Medicaid program.

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CHIP is public funding for children’s health insurance.

Obamacare is consumer funding for private health. The subsidies - which are going away, thanks to the GOP - were meant to help consumers purchase private insurance.

Funding for community health centers, by the way, is also in jeopardy. For all those who are happy about this, keep an eye on the CDC and consider the health of the people picking your produce, packaging your meats and ringing them up at the grocery store.

MAGA, y’all.

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Anonymous wrote:But he's good with the tax plan benefiting the rich passive investor (as opposed to the rich working person).

Apparently the quote during debate was:

“[L]et me tell you something: we’re going to do CHIP. There’s no question about it in my mind. It’s got to be done the right way. But we, the reason CHIP’s having trouble is because we don’t have money anymore.”

Hatch went on to condemn the idea of “more and more spending.” After praising the “terrific job” CHIP has done for families who need help, he immediately added, “I have a rough time wanting to spend billions and billions and trillions of dollars to help people who won’t help themselves – won’t lift a finger – and expect the federal government to do everything.”

Why don't we propose legislation to put all those CHIP kids to work in coal mines? And we could have a special provision for the coal mine owners that they pay no tax at all!

Why would anyone disagree with what is shown in bold?

Because CHIP is for children. Children are supposed to help themselves, lift a finger, to have health insurance? Don't be such a heartless turd.

No, parents should provide for their children - or otherwise not produce them. When did it become the norm that people have children and then expect the government to pay for their upkeep?

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Anonymous wrote:But he's good with the tax plan benefiting the rich passive investor (as opposed to the rich working person).

Apparently the quote during debate was:

“[L]et me tell you something: we’re going to do CHIP. There’s no question about it in my mind. It’s got to be done the right way. But we, the reason CHIP’s having trouble is because we don’t have money anymore.”

Hatch went on to condemn the idea of “more and more spending.” After praising the “terrific job” CHIP has done for families who need help, he immediately added, “I have a rough time wanting to spend billions and billions and trillions of dollars to help people who won’t help themselves – won’t lift a finger – and expect the federal government to do everything.”

Why don't we propose legislation to put all those CHIP kids to work in coal mines? And we could have a special provision for the coal mine owners that they pay no tax at all!

Why would anyone disagree with what is shown in bold?

That's not what CHIP is. That's my disagreement with what Hatch just said.

CHIP is children's health insurance. It's not helping people who won't lift a finger.

Don't they get Medicaid? We have three insurance programs to give care to poor and low income (free if they can't afford it): Medicaid, Obamacare, and CHIP. Do we really need all three? If people aren't poor enough for Medicaid, then they get free care through Obamacare. We don't need CHIP, too.

CHIP IS a Medicaid program. Jesus Christ, if you don't know what the fuck you are talking about just STFU.

Another filthy-mouth liberal. You complain that conservatives aren't kind, and then you talk like that? Can't you speak with common decency when you are making a plea for common decency?

We had Medicaid LONG before CHIP. It should should have been abolished when Obamacare was enacted. How many duplicate ways do we need to provide care for the poor? It's like that WaPo article with food.....the poor family had concurrent options. They could eat the shelter meals taxpayers were provIding, or they could use their food stamps the taxpayers are providing, or they could eat at a restaurant with the welfare taxpayers are providing. All at the same time.

P.S. Use the f-word in violation of the forum rules again, and you're being reported.

You are a terrible person. More worried about PP's language than the children who will be hurt by this.

Go to hell.

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Anonymous wrote:CHIP is public funding for children’s health insurance.

Obamacare is consumer funding for private health. The subsidies - which are going away, thanks to the GOP - were meant to help consumers purchase private insurance.

Funding for community health centers, by the way, is also in jeopardy. For all those who are happy about this, keep an eye on the CDC and consider the health of the people picking your produce, packaging your meats and ringing them up at the grocery store.

MAGA, y’all.

ACA is not standalone funding for private health insurance. The Obama administration taxed group plans and moved dedicated pay ins for medicare to CHIP plus other maneuvers. They are now interwoven in a web of accounting, taxes, transfers. There is funding in the ACA for community health centers.


Check out CCI in Maryland. California found that Medicaid expansion increased ER visits-1 stop shop. http://www.businessinsider.com/free-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants-is-becoming-one-of-the-most-divisive-issues-of-the-election-2016-3

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Anonymous wrote:But he's good with the tax plan benefiting the rich passive investor (as opposed to the rich working person).

Apparently the quote during debate was:

“[L]et me tell you something: we’re going to do CHIP. There’s no question about it in my mind. It’s got to be done the right way. But we, the reason CHIP’s having trouble is because we don’t have money anymore.”

Hatch went on to condemn the idea of “more and more spending.” After praising the “terrific job” CHIP has done for families who need help, he immediately added, “I have a rough time wanting to spend billions and billions and trillions of dollars to help people who won’t help themselves – won’t lift a finger – and expect the federal government to do everything.”

Why don't we propose legislation to put all those CHIP kids to work in coal mines? And we could have a special provision for the coal mine owners that they pay no tax at all!

Why would anyone disagree with what is shown in bold?

That's not what CHIP is. That's my disagreement with what Hatch just said.

CHIP is children's health insurance. It's not helping people who won't lift a finger.

Don't they get Medicaid? We have three insurance programs to give care to poor and low income (free if they can't afford it): Medicaid, Obamacare, and CHIP. Do we really need all three? If people aren't poor enough for Medicaid, then they get free care through Obamacare. We don't need CHIP, too.

CHIP IS a Medicaid program. Jesus Christ, if you don't know what the fuck you are talking about just STFU.

Another filthy-mouth liberal. You complain that conservatives aren't kind, and then you talk like that? Can't you speak with common decency when you are making a plea for common decency?

We had Medicaid LONG before CHIP. It should should have been abolished when Obamacare was enacted. How many duplicate ways do we need to provide care for the poor? It's like that WaPo article with food.....the poor family had concurrent options. They could eat the shelter meals taxpayers were provIding, or they could use their food stamps the taxpayers are providing, or they could eat at a restaurant with the welfare taxpayers are providing. All at the same time.

P.S. Use the f-word in violation of the forum rules again, and you're being reported.

You are a terrible person. More worried about PP's language than the children who will be hurt by this.

Go to hell.

And yet another hateful liberal.

Did I ever say I don't care about poor children? Did I ever say we shouldn't take care of them? NO! All I did was have the gall to question whether the government is duplicating efforts by having some poor children covered by CHIP, and other poor children covered by subsidized ObamaCare plans. Do liberals feel so entitled to taxpayer money for whatever social programs they create that we are not even allowed to question possible redundancies and inefficiencies?

Apparently not. In the liberal world, taxpayers are just supposed to fork over as much money as liberals demand and never question whether programs could be streamlined without causing any loss of benefits. YOU go to hell.