Liberals: How can you, in good conscience, support illegal immigrants?

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mantle^^

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, voting for trump at the very least means that white supremacy, misogyny, bullying of the disabled and sexual assault are not deal breakers for you.

Which makes you a sympathizer.

Sorry Not sorry if the truth hurts, honey.

And supporting a path to citizenship for illegal aliens makes you a criminal sympathizer. Though I'm sure that's a mantel SJWs like yourself wear proudly. Breaking the law is wrong - except when you guys do it, amirite?

Call us whatever you like. We don't melt like you and your snowflake friends.

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Anonymous wrote:When (not “if”) we have a major terror attack caused by someone who entered our country illegally, I think some liberals will change their tune.
Not all of them, but some.

Liberals LOVE to pull at the heartstrings of the American people and tell stories about the people who entered here illegally to escape crime/poverty/other horrors. And, tell about how these are such hardworking people who deserve to stay.

They forget about the people who enter illegally and rape our daughters, kill our citizens, and take advantage of our system.

Precisely. I'm very glad the House passed Barbara Comstock's bill to deport non-citizen gang members. That's a least a step in the right direction.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/house-passes-comstock-bill-targeting-immigrant-members-of-ms-13-gang/2017/09/14/71e97ce0-9956-11e7-b569-3360011663b4_story.html?utm_term=.68efc4498f0c

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Anonymous wrote:Because there are horrible places to live that make getting here legally nearly impossible and I have sympathy for people who flee for their lives with very little.

I've always wondered why we couldn't get many of these people some type of refugee status. And then some path to citizenship.

That would be the humane thing to do.

Is the US the refuge for all people in the world who live in horrible places? Should we let in any and all people who flee from their country in search of safety, a job, a better way of life?

Good question. We do have limited resources so obviously we can't help ALL. But we can't just close our doors and help none.

Cutting the number of legal refugees is pretty sh1tty, too. Thanks, DJT.

We DON’T close our doors and help none. Promoting this lie is not helping.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/30/key-facts-about-refugees-to-the-u-s/

Trump IS reducing the number of refugees we save. You are promoting the lie.

How many other countries accept the number of refugees we have? DP, btw.

Lots. Turkey, Pakistan, and Lebanon accept the most. 14 other countries take more than the United States. Lebanon has 1M refugees in a country of 3M. The US has only 273K in a country of 350M. Pretty disappointing given our great tradition of welcoming those fleeing persecution.



http://www.unhcr.org/en-us/figures-at-a-glance.html
http://www.unhcr.org/en-us/59b294387.pdf

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Spin doctors have successfully lumped the expressions "illegal immigrant," "illegal alien" and others under the heading "immigrant." It's the FOX effect but for the liberal audience. Many liberal voters have been convinced that turning on an illegal immigrant is equivalent to turning on one of their legal Ellis Island-bound ancestors. Messaging is very purposeful and very powerful. Now we are at a point where opposing illegal immigration means you are a bigot- ianother very powerful, purposeful word.

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Anonymous wrote:Spin doctors have successfully lumped the expressions "illegal immigrant," "illegal alien" and others under the heading "immigrant." It's the FOX effect but for the liberal audience. Many liberal voters have been convinced that turning on an illegal immigrant is equivalent to turning on one of their legal Ellis Island-bound ancestors. Messaging is very purposeful and very powerful. Now we are at a point where opposing illegal immigration means you are a bigot- ianother very powerful, purposeful word.

So many of people's ancestors were here illegally/without documents. And the ones who came here first just stole the land. So save us your lectures. Thanks.

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Where was it said that supporting some path the citizenship puts people ahead of others who were able to go through the immigration process while waiting in their home country?

I say again, they should be treated as refugees and maybe given some sort of temp visa status. That way, they actually could be within the law. If they choose to stay, then they can go through the long process to become legal citizens.

At the same time, maybe we should be doing the work around the world to try to make other countries less brutal and dangerous.

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Anonymous wrote:Spin doctors have successfully lumped the expressions "illegal immigrant," "illegal alien" and others under the heading "immigrant." It's the FOX effect but for the liberal audience. Many liberal voters have been convinced that turning on an illegal immigrant is equivalent to turning on one of their legal Ellis Island-bound ancestors. Messaging is very purposeful and very powerful. Now we are at a point where opposing illegal immigration means you are a bigot- ianother very powerful, purposeful word.

So many of people's ancestors were here illegally/without documents. And the ones who came here first just stole the land. So save us your lectures. Thanks.

Apples to oranges. Different time periods, different educational systems, different medical systems. I'll spare my lecture when you spare my wallet.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, voting for trump at the very least means that white supremacy, misogyny, bullying of the disabled and sexual assault are not deal breakers for you.

Which makes you a sympathizer.

Sorry Not sorry if the truth hurts, honey.

And supporting a path to citizenship for illegal aliens makes you a criminal sympathizer. Though I'm sure that's a mantel SJWs like yourself wear proudly. Breaking the law is wrong - except when you guys do it, amirite?

Apparently not, because there are plenty of Trump supporters who shrugged when Melania's illegal work history was revealed.

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Anonymous wrote:Where was it said that supporting some path the citizenship puts people ahead of others who were able to go through the immigration process while waiting in their home country?

I say again, they should be treated as refugees and maybe given some sort of temp visa status. That way, they actually could be within the law. If they choose to stay, then they can go through the long process to become legal citizens.

At the same time, maybe we should be doing the work around the world to try to make other countries less brutal and dangerous.

We need to redefine the word "refugee" then. And where are the redefined refugees from? Are you no longer a refugee if you are playing Goldilocks jumping from country to country in search of the most advantageous place? Or are you a refugee-- just like someone fleeing from a country where he or she may be imprisoned for their religious or political beliefs? I've met refugees from Burma who said they'd be headed up prison if they returned to their country of origin. We will have to determine who to help first.

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Anonymous wrote:Where was it said that supporting some path the citizenship puts people ahead of others who were able to go through the immigration process while waiting in their home country?

I say again, they should be treated as refugees and maybe given some sort of temp visa status. That way, they actually could be within the law. If they choose to stay, then they can go through the long process to become legal citizens.

At the same time, maybe we should be doing the work around the world to try to make other countries less brutal and dangerous.

We need to redefine the word "refugee" then. And where are the redefined refugees from? Are you no longer a refugee if you are playing Goldilocks jumping from country to country in search of the most advantageous place? Or are you a refugee-- just like someone fleeing from a country where he or she may be imprisoned for their religious or political beliefs? I've met refugees from Burma who said they'd be headed up prison if they returned to their country of origin. We will have to determine who to help first.

Refugee is well-defined in both international and U.S. law. You can't jump from country to country in refugee status. If you do, the subsequent countries can legally deport you back to such countries.

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Anonymous wrote:Spin doctors have successfully lumped the expressions "illegal immigrant," "illegal alien" and others under the heading "immigrant." It's the FOX effect but for the liberal audience. Many liberal voters have been convinced that turning on an illegal immigrant is equivalent to turning on one of their legal Ellis Island-bound ancestors. Messaging is very purposeful and very powerful. Now we are at a point where opposing illegal immigration means you are a bigot- ianother very powerful, purposeful word.

So many of people's ancestors were here illegally/without documents. And the ones who came here first just stole the land. So save us your lectures. Thanks.

You think those wooden sailing ships just took off at random? Put people off the ship in rowboats on a random deserted shore? No illegals just strolling in : http://www.lynnheidelberg.org/beginnewlife.html
The centuries old records have been entered in searchable databases. Some are from the 1600's.

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Anonymous wrote:Why? He calls another leader rocket man?

Ridiculous comparison. Are his own citizens calling him by demeaning names?

No. They aren't allowed. We are. At least for now. Until you all get your way. Killers of the first amendment.

From where I sit, it's the liberals trying to silence free speech. Say something they don't agree with, and they do everything to silence you - from ridicule to hate-filled verbal attacks to burning down buildings. Liberals LOVE free speech, as long as your speech agrees with them.

But you're right. NK citizens cannot criticize their leader (if they want to live). Why then do we have liberals saying they'd prefer him to our president, and comedians saying we should switch places?

Ahem. See Trump's rant against the NFL players who are taking advantage of the First Amendment to express their opinion.

Ahem. First amendment on their OWN time. They are there as paid (and extremely well paid) employees. Let them criticize their country on their own time.

Eh, we pay their salary by paying outrageous prices for tickets, licensed clothing, watching tv, etc. etc. As someone who helps pay their salary, I'm fine with their protest.

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Anonymous wrote:When (not “if”) we have a major terror attack caused by someone who entered our country illegally, I think some liberals will change their tune.
Not all of them, but some.

Liberals LOVE to pull at the heartstrings of the American people and tell stories about the people who entered here illegally to escape crime/poverty/other horrors. And, tell about how these are such hardworking people who deserve to stay.

They forget about the people who enter illegally and rape our daughters, kill our citizens, and take advantage of our system.

Precisely. I'm very glad the House passed Barbara Comstock's bill to deport non-citizen gang members. That's a least a step in the right direction.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/house-passes-comstock-bill-targeting-immigrant-members-of-ms-13-gang/2017/09/14/71e97ce0-9956-11e7-b569-3360011663b4_story.html?utm_term=.68efc4498f0c

Thanks for the link. Wow, I just can't believe how the Democrats cannot support this bill.
I hope it will be passed.

Comstock has said she wants to continue work done by her predecessor, longtime congressman Frank Wolf, to combat gang violence.

In a speech on the House floor Thursday, she said the bill will ensure that Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents can act immediately when they identify a known MS-13 gang member.

“We don’t have to wait until these brutal killers wield their machete or leave a body on a children’s playground,” she said, referring to the November 2015 murder of a man whose body was found in Alexandria’s Beverly Park. He died of stab wounds to the head and neck.

Since November 2016, Comstock said, authorities have tied at least eight murders in Northern Virginia to MS-13, and the Northern Virginia Regional Gang Task Force believes as many as 4,000 gang members live in the Washington region.

...and these 4000 wont be US citizens...and many of them likely going to High School here with our kids - since you get a full four years of high school, if you arrive before your 18th birthday.

Zero tolerance.

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Supporting pragmatic. humane immigration policies is not "supporting illegal immigrants," OP, and the "round 'em up and kick 'em out" approach people like you tend to espouse doesn't come close to meeting either of those conditions.