The Bachelorette Makes Her Choice ...

[Anonymous]

What's confusing to me in all of this is that it was so obvious she was really into Bryan the whole time. So then why did it become "settling."

Yes she was also into peter, but I think it was more in the "why doesn't he like me back" head game space. When someone withholds like that, especially someone so smooth and good looking,it can bring up self esteem issues. And I think she realized that's what was happening with her and decided to make the healthier choice.

It reminds me a lot of the Desiree H situation.

[Anonymous]

It's funny how different people can think. If I couldn't stop thinking about Peter while I was on a date with Bryan to the point that Bryan noticed and felt something seemed off, I'd think I was in love with Peter, not that he was getting in my head space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She set up Peter for not being a future Bachelor with the "...this is not for you..." talk. Eric came across very well-- kind and gracious-- in his interview.

I agree! I had liked her all season until this moment. Why try to ruin his chances? It's just unnecessary. I would have liked her to be more honest and humane, like she was with Eric & Kenny: I felt a love for you at one point. I meant what I said. It was very painful that we couldn't get on the same page but looking back, I can see how we just weren't meant to be.

If she supposedly was never in love with him, like she's claiming in interviews, then why be so angry with him now?

I think I would be salty af myself. I think it was the combination of being gaslighted making her the crazy/unreasonable one plus the low-key shade Peter threw at Bryan on the show and the after the show IG likes for negative comments towards Bryan and some other things plus ABC doing this new format where she wouldn't have a chance to compose herself or to really celebrate the engagement because she has to react in real near time watching of the breakup. But the kicker for me was the breakup. The "have a mediocre life" and "you are giving everything up for a proposal/ring" and "I'll sacrifice to marry you". I really, really hope they didn't have sex in the FS because in the moment, he was cruel and about making her feel unworthy of what every other Bachelorette has gotten and ridiculous for even wanting it. Oh abd yeah right they are supposed to go on every single talk show after the Bachelottee is over if she picked him with no proposal after sending home all these other guys including Bryan that was over the top into her and ready to propose and she is selling his story of it being too soon and he "only wants to propose once". Not only would the pressure have been insane of "so when is he going to propose" but she doesn't know if it was really about him not being ready even 5 years from now or it being that he really didn't feel she was the one and instead of being up front keeps stringing her along. He wanted her to play "the good wife" that stands by her man at the press conference after he is caught "hiking the Appalachian trails" and she has to defend him and look like she is either naive, a sucker, or even worse it's her fault he strayed. And bottom line was supposed to eat crap in front of the cameras and make it seem like it tastes good because of what he wants.

I digress, but AFTER he was crystal clear he DID NOT want to marry her anytime soon, he said "can you tell me you know I'm the one you will choose". I think I screamed, or at least thought, Rachel nooooo don't fall for that. Because you know, he would have dragged her and crapped all over Bryan (cause he hated Bryan) if she said yes. Honestly, if he wasn't going to propose, and it was a sacrifice, why does it matter? If it was really about him being head over heels and needing true reassurance she would pick him so he wouldn't propose for naught and waste his one proposal he ever wants to make in his life time, he could have done that in the Fantasy Suites without the cameras. At this point, let the woman leave with a little bit of dignity and be able to move on. And then he wanted to talk to her the next day About what Peter I ask? Again, if Rachel had met with him it would have been another mind game. Then the narrative would have been even with a proposal from Bryan she is meeting with me hoping I want to marry her now.

What I really hate is that Rachel was up front from day one she wanted a husband and was ready to get married. If it was simply about a ring, Bryan, Dean, and Eric all said they were willing to propose. Peter all of a sudden in Geneva was like it's crazy to fall in love in 9 weeks and I only want to make one proposal. Home boy could have told Rachel that date one that he was looking to find a girlfriend on the Bachelorette and wasn't trying to wife up anyone in the near term and I would have hoped she would have given him the boot early on. But it's I think I may not be ready, I need more time, but what we have is so good and if I find I don't feel I can get there in the next few weeks, I'll leave ...to I'm falling in love with you right before we go in to meet your parents because gosh gee whiz I would hate for you to not know where I stand and not have reassurances, to I can picture our children, let's name our puppy, I can see us married doing New York Times crossroad puzzles together but need just a little more time. To there is no way I can propose to anyone in only 9 weeks, you are just about the ring, look at everything you are throwing away but I'll "sacrifice" if that will make you happy. I mean, Peter is fine and when he is charming Peter like on GMA, I forget all about the cruel make it seem like you are the crazy one, emotionally unavailable Peter. I absolutely loved what Bryan said when he was asked what he thought seeing the breakup and he said something along the lines of basically being ready to propose and it was tough seeing her go thru this with someone that needing her crying in order to feel validated. I'm not saying 100% correctly but it was true. IMHO Bryan was willing to say things first and put it out there not knowing for sure if he would be rejected. While Peter wanted to see Rachel upset and all emotional over him to tell him she's all-in so that he would feel confident enough to maybe consider sacrificing to marry her even though a proposal so quickly is not reasonable ... said the other contestant on the same show/season and possible future lead in the Bachelor.

great analysis!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As much as I would like to see Peter or Eric as the next bachelor, I have an even better idea. Daniel Maguire the Canadian guy from BIP. He's hilarious.

That would be must-see-tv!

[Anonymous]

The Chris Soules analogy is a pretty good one. Both Rachel and Chris had one option that was a guaranteed YES (all-in-kind of person) and one option that was a complete question mark/no.

People are attracted to the challenge. If one person likes you so much without you really trying to impress them, it makes you think they don't know you very well or they have low standards. If another person challenges you and seems to make you work for their approval, it can be more intriguing and valuable to you.

Of course, we know how well that turned out for Chris. I actually thought Whitney and Chris would work out. So, I don't have a lot of hope for Rachel and Bryan.... but good luck to them.

Haven't all women dated a guy like Peter -- they say all the things we want to hear about planning the future, but they don't actually take steps toward that. They string you along by giving you those verbal commitments... but ultimately, they are just not that into you. It is a mind game for sure.

I do give Peter credit for not caving to the pressures of the show. But, he did mess with Rachel's mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's funny how different people can think. If I couldn't stop thinking about Peter while I was on a date with Bryan to the point that Bryan noticed and felt something seemed off, I'd think I was in love with Peter, not that he was getting in my head space.

Did you see how pissed she was at her family for not embracing Bryan? You could say "how could she love Peter if it was so important to her that her family like Bryan?" And Kaitlyn slept with Nick even though she was into Shawn.

She could also have been so tired or PMSing to the point that she was feeling really irrational/emotionally spent on that date with Bryan. The show depends on the lead seeming conflicted. And so the producers probably messed with her head that day too.

[Anonymous]

Peter should be the next bachelor and Brad Womack can come back and give him advice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Chris Soules analogy is a pretty good one. Both Rachel and Chris had one option that was a guaranteed YES (all-in-kind of person) and one option that was a complete question mark/no.

People are attracted to the challenge. If one person likes you so much without you really trying to impress them, it makes you think they don't know you very well or they have low standards. If another person challenges you and seems to make you work for their approval, it can be more intriguing and valuable to you.

Of course, we know how well that turned out for Chris. I actually thought Whitney and Chris would work out. So, I don't have a lot of hope for Rachel and Bryan.... but good luck to them.

Haven't all women dated a guy like Peter -- they say all the things we want to hear about planning the future, but they don't actually take steps toward that. They string you along by giving you those verbal commitments... but ultimately, they are just not that into you. It is a mind game for sure.

I do give Peter credit for not caving to the pressures of the show. But, he did mess with Rachel's mind.

I'm not giving Peter credit about not caving to the pressures of the show because he knew he could basically have 30 woman fighting after him as the bachelor AND walk out of the Bachelorette like he beat Bryan and Bryan only won by default. You know Peter is insecure as heck and jealous of Bryan.

I do agree with the challenge factor. it reminds me of that thing guys do when they insult woman to make the woman want to prove him wrong/intrigued that he isn't easy. The funny thing is as much as Bryan was portrayed as the Player and Latin Lover, it was the nice, mid-western, family values guy that was really playing the games.

[Anonymous]

I don't think Peter should be the next Bachelor -- and I think Rachel read the things he had previously said about being the Bachelor and then purposely said "this isn't for you." She was indirectly calling him out for his intentions not being right.

Although... if Peter is the next bachelor, it could be an interesting trainwreck. Maybe they need to go back a few seasons and take another look at other guys. Preferably anyone who does NOT have a career in entertainment. Or maybe just pick a cute, successful guy that no one has heard of before.

[Anonymous]

Rachel thought she was being clever, shutting down Peter's chances at being the next Bachelor, with her comments on ATFR. She was such a fan favorite through the end of the Bachelor and her season, she forgets - once your run is over, you're trash to the franchise. Nobody cares about your opinion anymore. They're going to go to whoever will produce the best ratings, and Peter is a pretty good candidate in that way.

Sorry Rachel, but Peter is now more valuable to the franchise than you are. You had your 15 minutes. Unless you and Bryan are willing to crank out a televised wedding in the next 10 months, you're done.

I think it could still be Dean, depending on how BIP goes. But Peter is probably the best bet, and I just found Rachel very smug trying to shut Peter down. The fan attention went to her head and she forgot she's just a cog in a machine that chews people up and spits them out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rachel thought she was being clever, shutting down Peter's chances at being the next Bachelor, with her comments on ATFR. She was such a fan favorite through the end of the Bachelor and her season, she forgets - once your run is over, you're trash to the franchise. Nobody cares about your opinion anymore. They're going to go to whoever will produce the best ratings, and Peter is a pretty good candidate in that way.

Sorry Rachel, but Peter is now more valuable to the franchise than you are. You had your 15 minutes. Unless you and Bryan are willing to crank out a televised wedding in the next 10 months, you're done.

I think it could still be Dean, depending on how BIP goes. But Peter is probably the best bet, and I just found Rachel very smug trying to shut Peter down. The fan attention went to her head and she forgot she's just a cog in a machine that chews people up and spits them out.

I don't think that she had a big head. I'm sure she read a lot of the stuff that Peter "liked" or responded to on social media that was critical of Bryan over the past few months. She knows that he has been indirectly slamming (or agreeing with slams) of Bryan and she was going a little bit "grizzly bear" on him since he has been throwing shade at Bryan and to some extent, her choice of a life with Bryan. So, I don't blame her for being defensive and a little bit attacking Peter.

As for Dean, let's just say that he gets himself into a triangle and doesn't handle it well. He's too young and inexperienced to know what he wants. Definitely NOT ready to find a wife and get married. Maybe one of the guys that Rachel kept to the #5-6 positions that we never really saw much of.... I think it was Adam ??? Really, though... they should just find a great guy who hasn't been on the show yet.

[Anonymous]

I don't think she was subtly or cleverly trying to say he shouldn't be the bachelor.

I think she was overtly saying he shouldn't be the bachelor.

He's trying to have his cake and eat it too. And she's like, Nope, you shouldn't be able to be the bachelor if your whole thing is that you need a year or more to become engaged. She is pissed because it's an act and she knows it now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Chris Soules analogy is a pretty good one. Both Rachel and Chris had one option that was a guaranteed YES (all-in-kind of person) and one option that was a complete question mark/no.

People are attracted to the challenge. If one person likes you so much without you really trying to impress them, it makes you think they don't know you very well or they have low standards. If another person challenges you and seems to make you work for their approval, it can be more intriguing and valuable to you.

Of course, we know how well that turned out for Chris. I actually thought Whitney and Chris would work out. So, I don't have a lot of hope for Rachel and Bryan.... but good luck to them.

Haven't all women dated a guy like Peter -- they say all the things we want to hear about planning the future, but they don't actually take steps toward that. They string you along by giving you those verbal commitments... but ultimately, they are just not that into you. It is a mind game for sure.

I do give Peter credit for not caving to the pressures of the show. But, he did mess with Rachel's mind.

I'm not giving Peter credit about not caving to the pressures of the show because he knew he could basically have 30 woman fighting after him as the bachelor AND walk out of the Bachelorette like he beat Bryan and Bryan only won by default. You know Peter is insecure as heck and jealous of Bryan.

I do agree with the challenge factor. it reminds me of that thing guys do when they insult woman to make the woman want to prove him wrong/intrigued that he isn't easy. The funny thing is as much as Bryan was portrayed as the Player and Latin Lover, it was the nice, mid-western, family values guy that was really playing the games.

Peter said all along that he was very into her but that he wasn't sure he could propose within the time frame of the TV show. He was very open about it the whole time. How is that playing games?

Some of you make me feel sorry for the men you date.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think she was subtly or cleverly trying to say he shouldn't be the bachelor.

I think she was overtly saying he shouldn't be the bachelor.

He's trying to have his cake and eat it too. And she's like, Nope, you shouldn't be able to be the bachelor if your whole thing is that you need a year or more to become engaged. She is pissed because it's an act and she knows it now.

Yeah, that's part of why I'm not buying the supposed true love between her and Bryan. If you've ever just fallen madly in love, then you know that's not really a time when you spend a lot of energy and focus being mad at your ex.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

As for Dean, let's just say that he gets himself into a triangle and doesn't handle it well. He's too young and inexperienced to know what he wants. Definitely NOT ready to find a wife and get married. Maybe one of the guys that Rachel kept to the #5-6 positions that we never really saw much of.... I think it was Adam ??? Really, though... they should just find a great guy who hasn't been on the show yet.

I agree Dean is probably too young/immature to be the Bachelor.

I think the franchise loses a huge advantage it has if it doesn't string together the seasons by using fan favorites or people with a bit of a backstory. Starting from scratch with someone not already in the franchise potentially drops off a lot of viewers. I'd be shocked if they did that.

I wouldn't be shocked if they went back a season or two. Luke? Did I hear Luke is with someone now? If Luke had a run on BIP but didn't make a connection with anyone, I could see him being Bachelor.

I still think it will be Peter. But I agree other choices would be more appropriate. I just don't think they're going for appropriate, I think they're going for an intriguing storyline.