Ohio heartbeat law

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^ not of safe abortions.

Maybe back alley illegal ones.

Perhaps it's the toxic tap water causing the sudden skyrocketing rates of infertility among so many women? Of course there are multiple causes, and abortions are CERTAINLY one of them. Surgical messing with your reproductive system can most DEFINITELY have unwanted consequences. Face it.

Abortion is a safe medical procedure.

More women have fertility issues from thyroid problems and endometriosis than from abortions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

Killing is wrong... wherever you do it.

And there isn't universal agreement that abortion is killing. You anti-choicers are such hypocrites.

If you aren't "terminating" a life, what exactly are you terminating?

A life. But it's not worth the same as a grown woman.

+1.

That's it. That's the whole thing for me. I'm not going to engage in some kind of twisted gotcha logic game. Yep, it's a life form. It just doesn't have the same privileges as a fully developed human. It is under the control of the fully developed human in which it is gestating. The fully developed human gets to decide what happens to her body.

If the life form grows to the point where it can live outside the fully developed human, then it has become a fully developed human itself. Then it's rights and privileges get to be weighed against the woman's. Until then? No.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

Killing is wrong... wherever you do it.

And there isn't universal agreement that abortion is killing. You anti-choicers are such hypocrites.

If you aren't "terminating" a life, what exactly are you terminating?

The pregnancy is terminated, genius

B-I-N-G-O!

Pregnancy (dictionary.com) defined as:
"Having a child or other offspring developing in the body"

Thank you, thank you, thank you, PP, for FINALLY admitting the TRUTH.

Case closed.

OMG! You finally got me! Of course, you are right! I realize the error my ways now. Thanks!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

Killing is wrong... wherever you do it.

And there isn't universal agreement that abortion is killing. You anti-choicers are such hypocrites.

If you aren't "terminating" a life, what exactly are you terminating?

The pregnancy is terminated, genius

B-I-N-G-O!

Pregnancy (dictionary.com) defined as:
"Having a child or other offspring developing in the body"

Thank you, thank you, thank you, PP, for FINALLY admitting the TRUTH.

Case closed.

what is it you think you just proved? you realize that reproductive rights are not just a matter of semantics? you could deem that all zygotes are to be called babies and that still would not change the actual facts and rights involved.

Use whatever semantics you choose.
Baby killing is wrong. God only knows how many messy abortions have resulted in the skyrocketing infertility rates. That's only one of the very painful consequences of abortion, you know.

...a painful consequence which is not supported by research. But keep on with your fake news.

[Anonymous]

Abortion is murder. Women that have abortions are worse than rapists, pedophiles, and drug dealers. Disgusting monsters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If inside my body is less private than inside my house (where government can not search without a warrant), I don't know what is privacy anymore and where government intrusion can stop.

Killing is wrong... wherever you do it.

And there isn't universal agreement that abortion is killing. You anti-choicers are such hypocrites.

If you aren't "terminating" a life, what exactly are you terminating?

The pregnancy is terminated, genius

B-I-N-G-O!

Pregnancy (dictionary.com) defined as:
"Having a child or other offspring developing in the body"

Thank you, thank you, thank you, PP, for FINALLY admitting the TRUTH.

Case closed.

Lame.

The def of "pregnancy" in the dictionary is proof of your point... my 6th graders on debate team could do better than that
"Bingo"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Logistically, what would it mean to "ban" abortions? Would doctors be charged with a crime if they performed abortions? If so, what crime? First-degree murder? What about the girl who received an abortion? Would she be charged with murder as well? Would the method of conception matter? If a girl is raped and impregnated by her rapist would she be required by law to carry her rapist's baby to term? Would Ohio actually start arresting rape victims?

This really depends on how the legal situation evolves. SCOTUS could find that there is no Constitutional protection for abortions without going so far as to determine there is a thing such as "fetal personhood". If that's what they do (most likely scenario), then it's entirely up to the states to decide how/if they want to legislate. Most likely states, which generally regulate medical licenses, would find ways to punish doctors for performing abortions...anything from loss of license to criminal charges. Even anti-choice activists have been reluctant to endorse punishing women who get abortions, though, again, it would be up to the states to decide. And one of the more chilling aspects of the most recent crop of anti-choice activists is their absolutism on the issue, being unwilling to include many exceptions for protection of the mother. Frankly, it's a bit more morally justifiable to take an absolutist position on pregnancies resulting from rape ("a life is a life regardless of how it was conceived"), but it's also cruel which is why a majority of Americans don't support it.
If the SCOTUS finds that a fetus is a person, then I suspect all of the other questions will also have to be litigated through the courts under existing laws. As is always the case, part of the court's job is to weigh the competing interests of two parties under the law, in this case the mother vs. the fetus. Frankly, this would be a complete mess and the courts are absolutely not equipped to decide this stuff which will turn on a nuanced understanding of reproductive science, but they're deciding a bunch of other stuff that they are not well-equipped to decide like digital privacy, so...

I get what you're saying here but man that just makes no sense. How could someone argue, simultaneously, that abortion is murder but that girls who receive abortions have done nothing wrong whatsoever? If a husband hired a hit-man to murder his wife, no one would say that only the hit-man should be arrested and charged with a crime. How is this any different? If abortion is murder then it is a crime, period. And everyone involved--from the doctor to the mother to the person who drove her to the doctor--is a party to that crime. The fact that conservatives are willing to completely exonerate the mother indicates that, deep down inside, they don't really believe that abortion is that bad.

[Anonymous]

There are hundreds of thousands of children in foster care. I wish pro lifers cared about them as much ad they care about zygotes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Abortion is murder. Women that have abortions are worse than rapists, pedophiles, and drug dealers. Disgusting monsters.

Wow. You really don't value actual living people at all, do you?

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Anonymous wrote:If fertilized embryo is a person bye bye IVF.

This would make an incredible sci-fi movie plot... Alt Right government takes over all IVF clinics and orders EVERY SINGLE FROZEN EMBRYO brought to life using surrogates. These children are raised in a government-military esq compound and used as weapons for the alt right as "savior babies".

Seriously, this is relevant. If people really want to base a "right to life" on "being a person" AND hold that an embryo is a person, then those frozen embryos have exactly as much right to life.

No, they don't. As any reasonable person with an understanding of basic biology (not many people in this discussion, unfortunately) knows, it takes three things to create life: A sperm, an Egg and a Host in which to grow the life. "Frozen Embryos" do not have a host to give them life.

This is part of the fundamental hypocrisy of the prolife movement that you can create embryos in a lab, have them deep frozen, destroyed or donated to research and there's no pro lifers outside IVF clinics threatening to torch the place or shoot the doctors or legisilate the decisions of wold be parents. The pro life movement cares about one thing and it's not even life it's punishing women who want to terminate a pregnancy.

[Anonymous]

Spot. On.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Abortion is murder. Women that have abortions are worse than rapists, pedophiles, and drug dealers. Disgusting monsters.

Wow. You really don't value actual living people at all, do you?

So 1 in 4 women are worse than rapists, pedophiles, and drug dealers. Oh, and dusgufting monsters. Hyperbole much?

[Anonymous]

^^^ Ack--fat fingers.

[Anonymous]

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This really depends on how the legal situation evolves. SCOTUS could find that there is no Constitutional protection for abortions without going so far as to determine there is a thing such as "fetal personhood". If that's what they do (most likely scenario), then it's entirely up to the states to decide how/if they want to legislate. Most likely states, which generally regulate medical licenses, would find ways to punish doctors for performing abortions...anything from loss of license to criminal charges. Even anti-choice activists have been reluctant to endorse punishing women who get abortions, though, again, it would be up to the states to decide. And one of the more chilling aspects of the most recent crop of anti-choice activists is their absolutism on the issue, being unwilling to include many exceptions for protection of the mother. Frankly, it's a bit more morally justifiable to take an absolutist position on pregnancies resulting from rape ("a life is a life regardless of how it was conceived"), but it's also cruel which is why a majority of Americans don't support it.

If the SCOTUS finds that a fetus is a person, then I suspect all of the other questions will also have to be litigated through the courts under existing laws. As is always the case, part of the court's job is to weigh the competing interests of two parties under the law, in this case the mother vs. the fetus. Frankly, this would be a complete mess and the courts are absolutely not equipped to decide this stuff which will turn on a nuanced understanding of reproductive science, but they're deciding a bunch of other stuff that they are not well-equipped to decide like digital privacy, so...

I get what you're saying here but man that just makes no sense. How could someone argue, simultaneously, that abortion is murder but that girls who receive abortions have done nothing wrong whatsoever? If a husband hired a hit-man to murder his wife, no one would say that only the hit-man should be arrested and charged with a crime. How is this any different? If abortion is murder then it is a crime, period. And everyone involved--from the doctor to the mother to the person who drove her to the doctor--is a party to that crime. The fact that conservatives are willing to completely exonerate the mother indicates that, deep down inside, they don't really believe that abortion is that bad.

To be clear, I don't agree with any of this. I'm the PP who volunteered in a NICU and feels pretty firmly that reproductive rights should be absolute. I'm just providing my interpretation of the lay of the land with regard to legislative fall out from a SCOTUS decision overturning RvW or possibly more definitively finding abortion itself to be unconstitutional.

Anyway, there is quite a bit of hypocrisy in the anti-choice lobby. My sister used to work for PP, and part of her job was getting to know the protestors to put a human face on the PP employees. The idea being they might warn them if some kind of violent attack were coming. My sister says you would not believe the number of protestors who would show up at PP to get abortions and then turn around and rejoin the picket lines. There's a saying that goes something like, "The only justifiable abortion is mine."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is wrong with letting each state decide whether abortion should be legal in their state?

because it's a fundamental, federal, constitutional right.

are you aware of the definition of "fundamental"?