Hillary to "Speak Directly to White People"!

[Anonymous]

"Officers repeatedly told Scott to drop his gun, the chief said, but he didn't.
The chief said he was not certain whether Scott pointed his gun at officers; Vinson was not wearing a body camera at the time.
But a person doesn't have to point a weapon directly at police to prompt deadly force, CNN law enforcement analyst Art Roderick said.
"You don't have to actually wait until a handgun is pointed at you because you're talking milliseconds of a decision as to whether you're going to pull your trigger, or that individual is going to pull their trigger," Roderick said."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/21/us/charlotte-police-shooting/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually the plainclothes officer who shot and killed Keith Scott was black. Get your facts straight before you rush to judgement - that type of impulsive overreaction by hyperparanoid/overaggressive law enforcement is what led to the recent senseless murders.

The cop that shot Keith Scott was BLACK? Wow. Then Hillary really rushed to judgment! She was on the air saying how white people are better than this, and so she just assumed the cop was white. (That's why I thought so. I believed Hillary. My mistake.)

+1. If Hillary wants to the election with stupid mistakes like this, she's doing a great job.

(Meaning, a deplorable job, but that's another topic)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually the plainclothes officer who shot and killed Keith Scott was black. Get your facts straight before you rush to judgement - that type of impulsive overreaction by hyperparanoid/overaggressive law enforcement is what led to the recent senseless murders.

The cop that shot Keith Scott was BLACK? Wow. Then Hillary really rushed to judgment! She was on the air saying how white people are better than this, and so she just assumed the cop was white. (That's why I thought so. I believed Hillary. My mistake.)

+1. If Hillary wants to the election with stupid mistakes like this, she's doing a great job.

(Meaning, a deplorable job, but that's another topic)

Yeah, except that there were TWO killings, one with a black shooter and one with a white shooter. The one Hillary went on the airwaves about was for the white shooter. For the black shooter, well....did she say anything?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, I know that blacks feel discriminated against by the police. (In some cases the feeling is justified; others not.) But the sense of ego or self-respect or whatever it is that leads them to defy police instructions is just plain stupid. Just follow the commands. Maybe the black guy IS right and the whitr cop IS wrong, but it doesn't matter. Just do what he says. Reminds me of an epitaph....

Here lies John O'Day,
Who died maintaining his right-of-way,
He was right, DEAD right, as he sped along,
But he's just as dead as if he were wrong.

Yep -- NEGROES JUST WON'T LISTEN - SO DAMN DISRESPECTFUL!

First, the use of the word "negro" went out about 1963. I don't hear ANYONE using that term, other than a sarcastic black person.
And second, yes....sorry....refusing to obey police orders is wrong. Just do what the damn cop says, and maybe you'll have a better chance of surviving the encounter. Isn't that more important than showing whitey you don't have to do what he says? The defiance is so misplaced.

uSE OF THE WORD NEGRO IS SARCASM
-- STILL -- THE POINT IS -- YOU THINK BLACK FOLK ARE BEING UPPITY AND DEFIANT AND TAKE THE WORD AS GOSPEL OF THE COP.
And at one point, you hear them say he's complying
And because you do not comply...WHEN NOT UNDER ARREST...IS NOT ILLEGAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND NOT PUNISHABLE BY DEATH.

[Anonymous]

There's a discussion above about whether the black victims were required to follow police orders, or whether it's optional.

Here's the deal| You are legally required to follow a cop's orders. I don't care if the cop is getting in your face, or he's not being fair, or he's singled you out because you're black, or you didn't do anything wrong....doesn't matter. As long as it is a lawful order (e.g., if he demands you get in the back seat, drop your panties, and spread your legs, well, that you don't have to follow), you can be arrested simply for refusing to follow orders. Now of course this doesn't mean a cop gets to kill you if you didn't, but there's this idea being floated above - with more than a little bit of indignation - that it's OK for blacks not to listen to what whitey tells them to do. News flash: If it's a lawful order - as in drop your weapon, get down to the ground, hands up, etc. - you are required to do so.

Test it out yourself. Next time you run a stop sign or whatever and a cop signals you to pull over, keep going. See what happens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, I know that blacks feel discriminated against by the police. (In some cases the feeling is justified; others not.) But the sense of ego or self-respect or whatever it is that leads them to defy police instructions is just plain stupid. Just follow the commands. Maybe the black guy IS right and the whitr cop IS wrong, but it doesn't matter. Just do what he says. Reminds me of an epitaph....

Here lies John O'Day,
Who died maintaining his right-of-way,
He was right, DEAD right, as he sped along,
But he's just as dead as if he were wrong.

Yep -- NEGROES JUST WON'T LISTEN - SO DAMN DISRESPECTFUL!

First, the use of the word "negro" went out about 1963. I don't hear ANYONE using that term, other than a sarcastic black person.
And second, yes....sorry....refusing to obey police orders is wrong. Just do what the damn cop says, and maybe you'll have a better chance of surviving the encounter. Isn't that more important than showing whitey you don't have to do what he says? The defiance is so misplaced.

uSE OF THE WORD NEGRO IS SARCASM
-- STILL -- THE POINT IS -- YOU THINK BLACK FOLK ARE BEING UPPITY AND DEFIANT AND TAKE THE WORD AS GOSPEL OF THE COP.
And at one point, you hear them say he's complying
And because you do not comply...WHEN NOT UNDER ARREST...IS NOT ILLEGAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND NOT PUNISHABLE BY DEATH.

Sorry, but you're wrong. You don't get to refuse to comply with cops' orders as long as you haven't been arrested. In fact, refusing to comply will GET you arrested. Where did you get this idea that compliance with cops' instructions are optional?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's a discussion above about whether the black victims were required to follow police orders, or whether it's optional.

Here's the deal| You are legally required to follow a cop's orders. I don't care if the cop is getting in your face, or he's not being fair, or he's singled you out because you're black, or you didn't do anything wrong....doesn't matter. As long as it is a lawful order (e.g., if he demands you get in the back seat, drop your panties, and spread your legs, well, that you don't have to follow), you can be arrested simply for refusing to follow orders. Now of course this doesn't mean a cop gets to kill you if you didn't, but there's this idea being floated above - with more than a little bit of indignation - that it's OK for blacks not to listen to what whitey tells them to do. News flash: If it's a lawful order - as in drop your weapon, get down to the ground, hands up, etc. - you are required to do so.

Test it out yourself. Next time you run a stop sign or whatever and a cop signals you to pull over, keep going. See what happens.

Well it depends on where you are. If you're in Boston new legislation says that nothing happens.

Black men who try to avoid an encounter with Boston police by fleeing may have a legitimate reason to do so — and should not be deemed suspicious — according to a ruling by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court.
http://www.wbur.org/news/2016/09/20/mass-high-court-black-men-may-have-legitimate-reason-to-flee-police

"The world hates change yet it is the only thing that has brought progress." ~ Charles Kettering

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look, I know that blacks feel discriminated against by the police. (In some cases the feeling is justified; others not.) But the sense of ego or self-respect or whatever it is that leads them to defy police instructions is just plain stupid. Just follow the commands. Maybe the black guy IS right and the whitr cop IS wrong, but it doesn't matter. Just do what he says. Reminds me of an epitaph....

Here lies John O'Day,
Who died maintaining his right-of-way,
He was right, DEAD right, as he sped along,
But he's just as dead as if he were wrong.

Yep -- NEGROES JUST WON'T LISTEN - SO DAMN DISRESPECTFUL!

np

Part of what is asinine about your comment is that I am white and I won't challenge the authority of the police. I have been put through two sobriety checks and didn't have a drink in me. Not a drop. They were cruising in hopes and there was no apparent signs for them to do what they did. Which I told them in a matter of fact way. I did what I was told then left without a ticket. Then I reported them to the powers that be within the police department, city government and filed a complaint with the FBI. Did anything significant come from my complaints? Don't care. If enough people did what I did and there was a pattern of an abuse of power it will show up and so will the FBI if it is pervasive enough.

Sometimes the stop is about race, sometimes its not. Regardless, pick your battles and the right time to engage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She can talk to “white people” as much as she wants. Let her talk til she’s blue in the face.
There won’t be a lot of white people tuning into her message.
She is not respected, not trusted, and not a leader.

Who gives a shit ? The problem with you Caucasians( mostly males) is that you think what works for you should work for everybody else . She's the next president . Let it burn your heart

np
The feeling of superiority you are feeling will not change the inner knowledge of inferiority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ so all the officers were plain clothed? Link?

The officer who shot and killed Keith Scott was in plainclothes that much is certain. Are civilians trained to scope out every individual in the surrounding area in a moments notice and discern what constitutes a team of officers working collectively serving a warrant (possibly some in uniform teamed with some in plainclothes) as opposed to simply focusing on what looks like a random dude coming at them with a gun? C'mon... The cops are the ones who supposedly go through all this training and yet its the civilians who are held to the higher standard of knowing what to do and what not to do. The cops can be impulsive and overzealous and make mistakes but civilians aren't allowed to have any err in judgement. Okay. You got it.

If someone in a POLICE vest tells you to drop your weapon, yes, you should drop your weapon.

And what's the predesignated time frame to follow that order? I don't know how long after the command was given Keith Scott was shot but I do recall that Tamir Rice barely got more than two seconds of time to comply before he was gunned down.

np
No example is going to necessarily apply to all situations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She can talk to “white people” as much as she wants. Let her talk til she’s blue in the face.
There won’t be a lot of white people tuning into her message.
She is not respected, not trusted, and not a leader.

Who gives a shit ? The problem with you Caucasians( mostly males) is that you think what works for you should work for everybody else . She's the next president . Let it burn your heart

np
The feeling of superiority you are feeling will not change the inner knowledge of inferiority.

Speaking of inner knowledge, why is it that there is so much anxiety and anger among so many members of the white community regarding the continuing coverage of potentially race-based police shootings? Why is there so much fatigue and frustration among so many members of the white community regarding conversations about racism and racial profiling within law enforcement agencies?
I think the feeling of superiority these angry and frustrated whites are accustomed to is fleeting.
I think they're fearful that one of the last few societal structures that clearly depicted their elite stature and plainly demonstrated their dominance over long-heralded inferior groups is fading.
Law enforcement may not be the last system of systemic oppression left but it is without question the most significant and the reality that changes are imminent is just plain terrifying to some.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She can talk to “white people” as much as she wants. Let her talk til she’s blue in the face.
There won’t be a lot of white people tuning into her message.
She is not respected, not trusted, and not a leader.

Who gives a shit ? The problem with you Caucasians( mostly males) is that you think what works for you should work for everybody else . She's the next president . Let it burn your heart

np
The feeling of superiority you are feeling will not change the inner knowledge of inferiority.

Speaking of inner knowledge, why is it that there is so much anxiety and anger among so many members of the white community regarding the continuing coverage of potentially race-based police shootings? Why is there so much fatigue and frustration among so many members of the white community regarding conversations about racism and racial profiling within law enforcement agencies?
I think the feeling of superiority these angry and frustrated whites are accustomed to is fleeting.
I think they're fearful that one of the last few societal structures that clearly depicted their elite stature and plainly demonstrated their dominance over long-heralded inferior groups is fading.
Law enforcement may not be the last system of systemic oppression left but it is without question the most significant and the reality that changes are imminent is just plain terrifying to some.

Why do you speculate so much? Why do you assume that what you are saying is reality? And please reveal yourself when you have been elected as spokesperson for the white community. Until then, please stop with the white community this and that nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She can talk to “white people” as much as she wants. Let her talk til she’s blue in the face.
There won’t be a lot of white people tuning into her message.
She is not respected, not trusted, and not a leader.

Who gives a shit ? The problem with you Caucasians( mostly males) is that you think what works for you should work for everybody else . She's the next president . Let it burn your heart

np
The feeling of superiority you are feeling will not change the inner knowledge of inferiority.

Speaking of inner knowledge, why is it that there is so much anxiety and anger among so many members of the white community regarding the continuing coverage of potentially race-based police shootings? Why is there so much fatigue and frustration among so many members of the white community regarding conversations about racism and racial profiling within law enforcement agencies?
I think the feeling of superiority these angry and frustrated whites are accustomed to is fleeting.
I think they're fearful that one of the last few societal structures that clearly depicted their elite stature and plainly demonstrated their dominance over long-heralded inferior groups is fading.
Law enforcement may not be the last system of systemic oppression left but it is without question the most significant and the reality that changes are imminent is just plain terrifying to some.

Why do you speculate so much? Why do you assume that what you are saying is reality? And please reveal yourself when you have been elected as spokesperson for the white community. Until then, please stop with the white community this and that nonsense.

I don't think the opinions I expressed are anywhere as insulting or inflammatory as some of the comments I've seen made about blacks - and I even had the courtesy to specify some, not all.
But hey, if problem take it to Jeff. I have complete confidence in his judgement as a moderator and you know what, he's white!
Go figure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She can talk to “white people” as much as she wants. Let her talk til she’s blue in the face.
There won’t be a lot of white people tuning into her message.
She is not respected, not trusted, and not a leader.

Who gives a shit ? The problem with you Caucasians( mostly males) is that you think what works for you should work for everybody else . She's the next president . Let it burn your heart

np
The feeling of superiority you are feeling will not change the inner knowledge of inferiority.

Speaking of inner knowledge, why is it that there is so much anxiety and anger among so many members of the white community regarding the continuing coverage of potentially race-based police shootings? Why is there so much fatigue and frustration among so many members of the white community regarding conversations about racism and racial profiling within law enforcement agencies?
I think the feeling of superiority these angry and frustrated whites are accustomed to is fleeting.
I think they're fearful that one of the last few societal structures that clearly depicted their elite stature and plainly demonstrated their dominance over long-heralded inferior groups is fading.
Law enforcement may not be the last system of systemic oppression left but it is without question the most significant and the reality that changes are imminent is just plain terrifying to some.

Why do you speculate so much? Why do you assume that what you are saying is reality? And please reveal yourself when you have been elected as spokesperson for the white community. Until then, please stop with the white community this and that nonsense.

I don't think the opinions I expressed are anywhere as insulting or inflammatory as some of the comments I've seen made about blacks - and I even had the courtesy to specify some, not all.
But hey, if problem take it to Jeff. I have complete confidence in his judgement as a moderator and you know what, he's white!
Go figure.

I am not offended nor do I believe it violated this sites terms. It was simple, your comments are too sweeping and is not reality. For instance, the challenge of white elitism. I would say that there are whites who might feel somewhat relieved they don't face what minorities face but that isn't elitism. And I am certain there are some who are holding onto that feeling of elitism. But I am also convinced it is not that pervasive as some would want others to believe and I know it isn't what it was. It seems that it is important for some to perpetuate what was in order to better validate what is now and that isn't reality unless it matches closely.

Well, I have been the target of racism so I have a modicum of understanding and I have lived through this past 50 years plus with this issue. Also, my family is racially mixed. Certainly that influences me on this subject.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She can talk to “white people” as much as she wants. Let her talk til she’s blue in the face.
There won’t be a lot of white people tuning into her message.
She is not respected, not trusted, and not a leader.

Who gives a shit ? The problem with you Caucasians( mostly males) is that you think what works for you should work for everybody else . She's the next president . Let it burn your heart

np
The feeling of superiority you are feeling will not change the inner knowledge of inferiority.

Speaking of inner knowledge, why is it that there is so much anxiety and anger among so many members of the white community regarding the continuing coverage of potentially race-based police shootings? Why is there so much fatigue and frustration among so many members of the white community regarding conversations about racism and racial profiling within law enforcement agencies?
I think the feeling of superiority these angry and frustrated whites are accustomed to is fleeting.
I think they're fearful that one of the last few societal structures that clearly depicted their elite stature and plainly demonstrated their dominance over long-heralded inferior groups is fading.
Law enforcement may not be the last system of systemic oppression left but it is without question the most significant and the reality that changes are imminent is just plain terrifying to some.

Why do you speculate so much? Why do you assume that what you are saying is reality? And please reveal yourself when you have been elected as spokesperson for the white community. Until then, please stop with the white community this and that nonsense.

I don't think the opinions I expressed are anywhere as insulting or inflammatory as some of the comments I've seen made about blacks - and I even had the courtesy to specify some, not all.
But hey, if problem take it to Jeff. I have complete confidence in his judgement as a moderator and you know what, he's white!
Go figure.

I am not offended nor do I believe it violated this sites terms. It was simple, your comments are too sweeping and is not reality. For instance, the challenge of white elitism. I would say that there are whites who might feel somewhat relieved they don't face what minorities face but that isn't elitism. And I am certain there are some who are holding onto that feeling of elitism. But I am also convinced it is not that pervasive as some would want others to believe and I know it isn't what it was. It seems that it is important for some to perpetuate what was in order to better validate what is now and that isn't reality unless it matches closely.

Well, I have been the target of racism so I have a modicum of understanding and I have lived through this past 50 years plus with this issue. Also, my family is racially mixed. Certainly that influences me on this subject.

Well surely someone of your experience can appreciate that reality is subjective for everyone based on their own experience. So surely you can also appreciate that my comments (which were not sweeping by the way as I simply mentioned so many whites not all or even most) are indicative of my own observations and experiences being the target of racism.