Tenley Chick Filet takes measures against loitering after school by students, including Wilson

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here - I'm not complaining about it. I think its probably the only thing they can do right now. I'm citing it as one example of impact, and others have provided many others, on our neighborhood when Wilson lets out for the day. I think the neighborhood had a complete right to ask for this impact to be looked at big picture. All these little adjustments you endorse seem to be one sided, and to affect quality of life for those who live here.

Move. There really isn't any other solution of than what the store is currently doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it is reasonable for people in public--including teenagers--to meet a somewhat higher standard of behavior than "it's not illegal", and for schools to communicate to their students (and their neighbors!) that they expect them to display good citizenship on and off campus.

I also do not think that loud, profane, racial talk, rude remarks to strangers, and pushing/shoving that spills over to others are behavior that should just be written off as "teens behaving like teens" any more than I think it's ok for young men to catcall or grope in public because "boys will be boys".

+1.

It's like justifying the abuses by some police because "police will be police" or the corruption by some politicians because "politicians will be politicians."

That thinking is simply stupid (and probably racist too)

[Anonymous]

Yeah I don't get the posters saying this is just "normal
teen behavior. Um, no it isn't. And believe me I was no angel as a teenager. I came of age late 80s before any real parental helicoptering, we all had driver licenses and cars at age 16 and drank way too much behind our parents back, defaced some street signs a few times too. But at no time were we harassing other adults, businesses, smoking weed in public or swearing at strangers. We were never violent to other people or threatened anyone. This "kids" are out of control, its not normal and definitely this behavior is learned at home and nothing the schools can do. by HS its a lost cause for most of these kids and the best is to hope they don't end up in prison before turning 18.

[Anonymous]

What exactly do you want to do about it though. It may be unpleasant to hear but there is no law in place that
would let the police arrest these teenagers. You can lobby for such a law though but statistics show that arrests in the teenage years probably encourage a move towards more criminal behavior not less. Unfortunately a lot of this has to do with low income kids growing up in unstable households without good role models. Perhaps we can lobby for extra money for DC schools to pay for more social workers or a community coordinator at every school who can teach a mandatory civics class after school along with money for free snacks and pizza. Or you can take the easy way out and move to a high end suburb preferably away from any high schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What exactly do you want to do about it though. It may be unpleasant to hear but there is no law in place that
would let the police arrest these teenagers. You can lobby for such a law though but statistics show that arrests in the teenage years probably encourage a move towards more criminal behavior not less. Unfortunately a lot of this has to do with low income kids growing up in unstable households without good role models. Perhaps we can lobby for extra money for DC schools to pay for more social workers or a community coordinator at every school who can teach a mandatory civics class after school along with money for free snacks and pizza. Or you can take the easy way out and move to a high end suburb preferably away from any high schools.

Step #1. Institute code of conduct for students travelling to and from DCPS schools that use taxpayer funded metro benefits.

Step #2. Communicate Code of Conduct.

Step #3. For OOB students found in violation of Code of Conduct, return to IB school (similar to excessive unexcused absences). For IB students in violation of code: detention, suspension, etc.

Done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What exactly do you want to do about it though. It may be unpleasant to hear but there is no law in place that
would let the police arrest these teenagers. You can lobby for such a law though but statistics show that arrests in the teenage years probably encourage a move towards more criminal behavior not less. Unfortunately a lot of this has to do with low income kids growing up in unstable households without good role models. Perhaps we can lobby for extra money for DC schools to pay for more social workers or a community coordinator at every school who can teach a mandatory civics class after school along with money for free snacks and pizza. Or you can take the easy way out and move to a high end suburb preferably away from any high schools.

Step #1. Institute code of conduct for students travelling to and from DCPS schools that use taxpayer funded metro benefits.

Step #2. Communicate Code of Conduct.

Step #3. For OOB students found in violation of Code of Conduct, return to IB school (similar to excessive unexcused absences). For IB students in violation of code: detention, suspension, etc.

Done.

Legal basis for instituting and enforcing this Code of Conduct?

[Anonymous]

Because I said so?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What exactly do you want to do about it though. It may be unpleasant to hear but there is no law in place that
would let the police arrest these teenagers. You can lobby for such a law though but statistics show that arrests in the teenage years probably encourage a move towards more criminal behavior not less. Unfortunately a lot of this has to do with low income kids growing up in unstable households without good role models. Perhaps we can lobby for extra money for DC schools to pay for more social workers or a community coordinator at every school who can teach a mandatory civics class after school along with money for free snacks and pizza. Or you can take the easy way out and move to a high end suburb preferably away from any high schools.

Step #1. Institute code of conduct for students travelling to and from DCPS schools that use taxpayer funded metro benefits.

Step #2. Communicate Code of Conduct.

Step #3. For OOB students found in violation of Code of Conduct, return to IB school (similar to excessive unexcused absences). For IB students in violation of code: detention, suspension, etc.

Done.

Legal basis for instituting and enforcing this Code of Conduct?

1. Acceptance of taxpayer funded travel benefits.
2. Participation in taxpayer funded OOB student lottery process.

[Anonymous]

Complain to the school. Take pictures if you can do so safely. Even DCPS have rules for off campus activities which is easily searchable online. Call the police if there is an actual assault. When I was growing up it didn't matter where we were, we represented the school and were held accountable by our parents and our school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What exactly do you want to do about it though. It may be unpleasant to hear but there is no law in place that
would let the police arrest these teenagers. You can lobby for such a law though but statistics show that arrests in the teenage years probably encourage a move towards more criminal behavior not less. Unfortunately a lot of this has to do with low income kids growing up in unstable households without good role models. Perhaps we can lobby for extra money for DC schools to pay for more social workers or a community coordinator at every school who can teach a mandatory civics class after school along with money for free snacks and pizza. Or you can take the easy way out and move to a high end suburb preferably away from any high schools.

Step #1. Institute code of conduct for students travelling to and from DCPS schools that use taxpayer funded metro benefits.

Step #2. Communicate Code of Conduct.

Step #3. For OOB students found in violation of Code of Conduct, return to IB school (similar to excessive unexcused absences). For IB students in violation of code: detention, suspension, etc.

Done.

Legal basis for instituting and enforcing this Code of Conduct?

You mean metro authority has no mechanism to institute and enforce a Code of Conduct?

It's very easy to do, not just for Wilson students but for anyway riding the metro or accessing its stations.

Just requires the will to do so...which is probably what's missing in our broken city:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/lanier-exits-with-rebuke-of-the-districts-criminal-justice-system/2016/09/05/3fde324e-7108-11e6-8533-6b0b0ded0253_story.html

[Anonymous]

You guys are just preaching to the choir. Nothing will be done, as there is nothing that can be done by law to get the kids restricted from being around tenley after school, cursing or what have you.

Glad there's an outlet to give your solutions, but nothing will be implemented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it is reasonable for people in public--including teenagers--to meet a somewhat higher standard of behavior than "it's not illegal", and for schools to communicate to their students (and their neighbors!) that they expect them to display good citizenship on and off campus.

I also do not think that loud, profane, racial talk, rude remarks to strangers, and pushing/shoving that spills over to others are behavior that should just be written off as "teens behaving like teens" any more than I think it's ok for young men to catcall or grope in public because "boys will be boys".

+1

+ 1,000,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see it as a race issue. I do see it as a rowdy issue. And any application of behavioral norms will help raise the boat of all the kids. By behavioral norms I mean not shoplifting or attacking people in the street --things that go way beyond "kids will be kids'' the knee jerk defense. They should also have something to do/a place to go. It is fun to hang out with your friends. One doesn't always have a club, a job etc. Schedules vary. The school could look at this. They have a beautiful atrium. The idea of bringing food in and having kids hang there is a good one. AGAIN, the school and governing bodies need to be involved in this discussion and address the raised concerns.

Many privates stay open very late for just this reason. Wilson could provide homework help and study hall, open gym - it would be a win-win. Most privates are open till 6 pm, cafeteria or vending could be opened - $$$ stays at Wilson. GDS stays open even later.

Maybe but we are talking about DCPS employees, who aren't GDS employees, and have a union to minimize work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see it as a race issue. I do see it as a rowdy issue. And any application of behavioral norms will help raise the boat of all the kids. By behavioral norms I mean not shoplifting or attacking people in the street --things that go way beyond "kids will be kids'' the knee jerk defense. They should also have something to do/a place to go. It is fun to hang out with your friends. One doesn't always have a club, a job etc. Schedules vary. The school could look at this. They have a beautiful atrium. The idea of bringing food in and having kids hang there is a good one. AGAIN, the school and governing bodies need to be involved in this discussion and address the raised concerns.

Many privates stay open very late for just this reason. Wilson could provide homework help and study hall, open gym - it would be a win-win. Most privates are open till 6 pm, cafeteria or vending could be opened - $$$ stays at Wilson. GDS stays open even later.

Maybe but we are talking about DCPS employees, who aren't GDS employees, and have a union to minimize work.

As someone from a country that provides much better pay and benefits for its teachers (and has much better results in public education), I find this anti-teacher union talk misguided. Overworked and underpaid teachers (with minimal credentials to boot) are not going to be good for anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here - I'm not complaining about it. I think its probably the only thing they can do right now. I'm citing it as one example of impact, and others have provided many others, on our neighborhood when Wilson lets out for the day. I think the neighborhood had a complete right to ask for this impact to be looked at big picture. All these little adjustments you endorse seem to be one sided, and to affect quality of life for those who live here.

Move. There really isn't any other solution of than what the store is currently doing.

We left AU Park/Tenley and bought in another part of DC. We turned down Janney for a private and a quieter neighborhood. I am so happy we did it. Tenley isn't worth it!