Sleepover with gay dads

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As another heterosexual normal dad, it is depressing to see how biased the response is against dads.

Doesn't bother me at all. I have hosting sleepovers, so the fewer kids the better.

*hate hosting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.csom.org/pubs/needtoknow_fs.pdf

Look, I'm not even the DOJ PP, but you really need a lesson in reading comprehension. From your link:

Established in June 1997, CSOM’s goal is to enhance public safety by preventing further victimization through improving the management of
adult and juvenile sex offenders who are in the community. A collaborative effort of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs,
the National Institute of Corrections, the State Justice Institute, and the American Probation and Parole Association, CSOM is administered by the
Center for Effective Public Policy.

This does not mean you are getting statistics from the DOJ. You are getting your statistics from the Center for Effective Public Policy in collaboration with the DOJ. DOJ provided some information, but not necessarily the statistics. You don't know which parts of this report are from the DOJ.

That's just the start of your reading comprehension problems. And there are many more. You are touting statistics that you don't even understand and just mashing them together like a bad Glee song.

It a link from DOJ...https://www.nsopw.gov/en-US/Education/FactsStatistics

But I can get the same info from CDC, RAINN, onein6, on and on... This is so well known in the industry, and sad the public is so uninformed.

You can't handle the truth!

Please share a statistic that shows women are the majority of sexual offenders. I would love to know where you get that?

[Anonymous]

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/227763.pdf

[Anonymous]

http://victimsofcrime.org/media/reporting-on-child-sexual-abuse/statistics-on-perpetrators-of-csa

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reading this thread has made me realize we will not allow sleepovers, period. Not because a dad might be present, but because you people are %$#@!*& crazy. Who thinks that every man is a predator???

99% of predators are men (it's actually 95%).... Not 99% of men are predators.

You know the difference right?

+1

Jesus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gay, straight, male, female I would have to know you very very well. Gay would be the least of my concerns.

+1 Exactly this. I'd have to know all of the adult members of the household well. Wouldn't care at all about gender or sexual orientation.

+2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.csom.org/pubs/needtoknow_fs.pdf

Look, I'm not even the DOJ PP, but you really need a lesson in reading comprehension. From your link:

Established in June 1997, CSOM’s goal is to enhance public safety by preventing further victimization through improving the management of
adult and juvenile sex offenders who are in the community. A collaborative effort of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs,
the National Institute of Corrections, the State Justice Institute, and the American Probation and Parole Association, CSOM is administered by the
Center for Effective Public Policy.

This does not mean you are getting statistics from the DOJ. You are getting your statistics from the Center for Effective Public Policy in collaboration with the DOJ. DOJ provided some information, but not necessarily the statistics. You don't know which parts of this report are from the DOJ.

That's just the start of your reading comprehension problems. And there are many more. You are touting statistics that you don't even understand and just mashing them together like a bad Glee song.

It a link from DOJ...https://www.nsopw.gov/en-US/Education/FactsStatistics

But I can get the same info from CDC, RAINN, onein6, on and on... This is so well known in the industry, and sad the public is so uninformed.

You can't handle the truth!

Please share a statistic that shows women are the majority of sexual offenders. I would love to know where you get that?

Oh for Christi's sake not ONE fucking person on this thread said that that majority of sex offenders are women. But it's more than 1% and I suspect you fucking know that.

I hope to god you don't have any sons. Your victim mentality and obvious destain for anyone with a penis is disgusting.

And I'm a woman btw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.csom.org/pubs/needtoknow_fs.pdf

Look, I'm not even the DOJ PP, but you really need a lesson in reading comprehension. From your link:

Established in June 1997, CSOM’s goal is to enhance public safety by preventing further victimization through improving the management of
adult and juvenile sex offenders who are in the community. A collaborative effort of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs,
the National Institute of Corrections, the State Justice Institute, and the American Probation and Parole Association, CSOM is administered by the
Center for Effective Public Policy.

This does not mean you are getting statistics from the DOJ. You are getting your statistics from the Center for Effective Public Policy in collaboration with the DOJ. DOJ provided some information, but not necessarily the statistics. You don't know which parts of this report are from the DOJ.

That's just the start of your reading comprehension problems. And there are many more. You are touting statistics that you don't even understand and just mashing them together like a bad Glee song.

It a link from DOJ...https://www.nsopw.gov/en-US/Education/FactsStatistics

But I can get the same info from CDC, RAINN, onein6, on and on... This is so well known in the industry, and sad the public is so uninformed.

You can't handle the truth!

Please share a statistic that shows women are the majority of sexual offenders. I would love to know where you get that?

I've never said that. I've only said that you've wildly misappropriated your numbers. None of your links give the numbers that you randomly mashed together. You posted some numbers and several people questioned where you got those numbers, so you posted one link (now two) and neither of them gives any of the number that you cited.

You said 70% of the time children who are under 9...are assaulted by someone NOT in their own age group. The report says that 34% of assault victims are 9 years or younger. If you look at the source of that report's footnoted source https://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/cb/cm2012.pdf (pp 61-62), it says that only 0.2% of perpetrators were in the 6-11 year old range and only 2.2% were in the 12-17 year old range. So, 2.4% of perpetrators were juvenile. The closest number you can get to 70% of if you add the numbers for perpetrator ages from 25-54 and which gives 72.4%.

You said 40% of the time the perpetrator is an aquaintance, but the quote is "An estimated 60% of perpetrators of sexual abuse are known to the child but are not family members, e.g., family friends, babysitters, child care providers, neighbors." which is more than just aquaintances, it's anyone not family. The site you cite also says that 30% of perpetrators are family, so actually 70% are non-family acquaintances. And from the reference article, it says

Four-fifths (80.3%) of perpetrators were parents, 6.1 percent were relatives other than parents, and 4.2 percent were unmarried partners of parents. Perpetrators with an “other” relationship accounted for 4.6 percent and those with an unknown relationship to their victim accounted for 3.1 percent.

And you cited article says that 95% not 99% of arrest cases perpetrators were male. This is only arrest cases. Some additional notes from the same site that you reference:

Approximately 30% of sexual assault cases are reported to authorities.

Males tend not to report their victimization, which may affect statistics. Some men even feel societal pressure to be proud of early sexual activity, regardless of whether it was unwanted.

When children do disclose...Of all other family members, mothers are most likely to be told. Whether or not a mother might be told will depend on the child’s expected response from the mother.

The latter suggesting that when the abuser is the mother, the child is less likely to disclose the abuse.
All data suggests that the 95% of reported cases is a very high estimate. I'm not arguing that women are more likely to be perpetrators, and I agree whole-heartedly that men are significant majority of cases, but I would suspect (this is pure conjecture) that the actual numbers are closer to 80% male and 20% female perpetrators.

The end result is that you throw out numbers and statistics with no valid references and when you are pressed for references, you cite references that don't back your numbers and you expect people to believe what you say?

[Anonymous]

negative points for being male, but I'd guess you're less likely to do something awful if you're gay, tbh. I think men who present as straight are more likely to abuse kids of either sex. prefer a mom to be home but if I knew you well enough then of course I'd say yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.csom.org/pubs/needtoknow_fs.pdf

Look, I'm not even the DOJ PP, but you really need a lesson in reading comprehension. From your link:

Established in June 1997, CSOM’s goal is to enhance public safety by preventing further victimization through improving the management of
adult and juvenile sex offenders who are in the community. A collaborative effort of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs,
the National Institute of Corrections, the State Justice Institute, and the American Probation and Parole Association, CSOM is administered by the
Center for Effective Public Policy.

This does not mean you are getting statistics from the DOJ. You are getting your statistics from the Center for Effective Public Policy in collaboration with the DOJ. DOJ provided some information, but not necessarily the statistics. You don't know which parts of this report are from the DOJ.

That's just the start of your reading comprehension problems. And there are many more. You are touting statistics that you don't even understand and just mashing them together like a bad Glee song.

It a link from DOJ...https://www.nsopw.gov/en-US/Education/FactsStatistics

But I can get the same info from CDC, RAINN, onein6, on and on... This is so well known in the industry, and sad the public is so uninformed.

You can't handle the truth!

Please share a statistic that shows women are the majority of sexual offenders. I would love to know where you get that?

No one said majority. They just said men are not 99% responsible for abuse cases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.csom.org/pubs/needtoknow_fs.pdf

Look, I'm not even the DOJ PP, but you really need a lesson in reading comprehension. From your link:

Established in June 1997, CSOM’s goal is to enhance public safety by preventing further victimization through improving the management of
adult and juvenile sex offenders who are in the community. A collaborative effort of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs,
the National Institute of Corrections, the State Justice Institute, and the American Probation and Parole Association, CSOM is administered by the
Center for Effective Public Policy.

This does not mean you are getting statistics from the DOJ. You are getting your statistics from the Center for Effective Public Policy in collaboration with the DOJ. DOJ provided some information, but not necessarily the statistics. You don't know which parts of this report are from the DOJ.

That's just the start of your reading comprehension problems. And there are many more. You are touting statistics that you don't even understand and just mashing them together like a bad Glee song.

It a link from DOJ...https://www.nsopw.gov/en-US/Education/FactsStatistics

But I can get the same info from CDC, RAINN, onein6, on and on... This is so well known in the industry, and sad the public is so uninformed.

You can't handle the truth!

Please share a statistic that shows women are the majority of sexual offenders. I would love to know where you get that?

No one said majority. They just said men are not 99% responsible for abuse cases.

You are right, it is 95%.

[Anonymous]

Side note: Three cheers for someone using NSOPW as a reference!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.csom.org/pubs/needtoknow_fs.pdf

Look, I'm not even the DOJ PP, but you really need a lesson in reading comprehension. From your link:

Established in June 1997, CSOM’s goal is to enhance public safety by preventing further victimization through improving the management of
adult and juvenile sex offenders who are in the community. A collaborative effort of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs,
the National Institute of Corrections, the State Justice Institute, and the American Probation and Parole Association, CSOM is administered by the
Center for Effective Public Policy.

This does not mean you are getting statistics from the DOJ. You are getting your statistics from the Center for Effective Public Policy in collaboration with the DOJ. DOJ provided some information, but not necessarily the statistics. You don't know which parts of this report are from the DOJ.

That's just the start of your reading comprehension problems. And there are many more. You are touting statistics that you don't even understand and just mashing them together like a bad Glee song.

It a link from DOJ...https://www.nsopw.gov/en-US/Education/FactsStatistics

But I can get the same info from CDC, RAINN, onein6, on and on... This is so well known in the industry, and sad the public is so uninformed.

You can't handle the truth!

Please share a statistic that shows women are the majority of sexual offenders. I would love to know where you get that?

No one said majority. They just said men are not 99% responsible for abuse cases.

You are right, it is 95%.

Source?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.csom.org/pubs/needtoknow_fs.pdf

Look, I'm not even the DOJ PP, but you really need a lesson in reading comprehension. From your link:

Established in June 1997, CSOM’s goal is to enhance public safety by preventing further victimization through improving the management of
adult and juvenile sex offenders who are in the community. A collaborative effort of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs,
the National Institute of Corrections, the State Justice Institute, and the American Probation and Parole Association, CSOM is administered by the
Center for Effective Public Policy.

This does not mean you are getting statistics from the DOJ. You are getting your statistics from the Center for Effective Public Policy in collaboration with the DOJ. DOJ provided some information, but not necessarily the statistics. You don't know which parts of this report are from the DOJ.

That's just the start of your reading comprehension problems. And there are many more. You are touting statistics that you don't even understand and just mashing them together like a bad Glee song.

It a link from DOJ...https://www.nsopw.gov/en-US/Education/FactsStatistics

But I can get the same info from CDC, RAINN, onein6, on and on... This is so well known in the industry, and sad the public is so uninformed.

You can't handle the truth!

Please share a statistic that shows women are the majority of sexual offenders. I would love to know where you get that?

I've never said that. I've only said that you've wildly misappropriated your numbers. None of your links give the numbers that you randomly mashed together. You posted some numbers and several people questioned where you got those numbers, so you posted one link (now two) and neither of them gives any of the number that you cited.

You said 70% of the time children who are under 9...are assaulted by someone NOT in their own age group. The report says that 34% of assault victims are 9 years or younger. If you look at the source of that report's footnoted source https://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/cb/cm2012.pdf (pp 61-62), it says that only 0.2% of perpetrators were in the 6-11 year old range and only 2.2% were in the 12-17 year old range. So, 2.4% of perpetrators were juvenile. The closest number you can get to 70% of if you add the numbers for perpetrator ages from 25-54 and which gives 72.4%.

You said 40% of the time the perpetrator is an aquaintance, but the quote is "An estimated 60% of perpetrators of sexual abuse are known to the child but are not family members, e.g., family friends, babysitters, child care providers, neighbors." which is more than just aquaintances, it's anyone not family. The site you cite also says that 30% of perpetrators are family, so actually 70% are non-family acquaintances. And from the reference article, it says

Four-fifths (80.3%) of perpetrators were parents, 6.1 percent were relatives other than parents, and 4.2 percent were unmarried partners of parents. Perpetrators with an “other” relationship accounted for 4.6 percent and those with an unknown relationship to their victim accounted for 3.1 percent.

And you cited article says that 95% not 99% of arrest cases perpetrators were male. This is only arrest cases. Some additional notes from the same site that you reference:

Approximately 30% of sexual assault cases are reported to authorities.

Males tend not to report their victimization, which may affect statistics. Some men even feel societal pressure to be proud of early sexual activity, regardless of whether it was unwanted.

When children do disclose...Of all other family members, mothers are most likely to be told. Whether or not a mother might be told will depend on the child’s expected response from the mother.

The latter suggesting that when the abuser is the mother, the child is less likely to disclose the abuse.
All data suggests that the 95% of reported cases is a very high estimate. I'm not arguing that women are more likely to be perpetrators, and I agree whole-heartedly that men are significant majority of cases, but I would suspect (this is pure conjecture) that the actual numbers are closer to 80% male and 20% female perpetrators.

The end result is that you throw out numbers and statistics with no valid references and when you are pressed for references, you cite references that don't back your numbers and you expect people to believe what you say?

You erroneously believe boys are more likely to be abused by women than men. True boys report less abuse, but their abuse is mostly by men too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.csom.org/pubs/needtoknow_fs.pdf

Look, I'm not even the DOJ PP, but you really need a lesson in reading comprehension. From your link:

Established in June 1997, CSOM’s goal is to enhance public safety by preventing further victimization through improving the management of
adult and juvenile sex offenders who are in the community. A collaborative effort of the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs,
the National Institute of Corrections, the State Justice Institute, and the American Probation and Parole Association, CSOM is administered by the
Center for Effective Public Policy.

This does not mean you are getting statistics from the DOJ. You are getting your statistics from the Center for Effective Public Policy in collaboration with the DOJ. DOJ provided some information, but not necessarily the statistics. You don't know which parts of this report are from the DOJ.

That's just the start of your reading comprehension problems. And there are many more. You are touting statistics that you don't even understand and just mashing them together like a bad Glee song.

It a link from DOJ...https://www.nsopw.gov/en-US/Education/FactsStatistics

But I can get the same info from CDC, RAINN, onein6, on and on... This is so well known in the industry, and sad the public is so uninformed.

You can't handle the truth!

Please share a statistic that shows women are the majority of sexual offenders. I would love to know where you get that?

No one said majority. They just said men are not 99% responsible for abuse cases.

You are right, it is 95%.

Source?

Already posted.

Men are so sensitive.