Asian-American Groups Accuse Brown, Dartmouth, and Yale of Bias in Admissions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'll be even more blunt

This isn't Korea or China or India

The score on your test isn't what matters most here

Harvard could take all perfect SAT scores if they wanted.... but they don't

HOLISTIC Admissions

Holistic admissions is just a palatable way to justify discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll be even more blunt

This isn't Korea or China or India

The score on your test isn't what matters most here

Harvard could take all perfect SAT scores if they wanted.... but they don't

HOLISTIC Admissions

Holistic admissions is just a palatable way to justify discrimination.

They're certainly not discriminating against African-Americans or Hispanic-Americans. That's what the SAT does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll be even more blunt

This isn't Korea or China or India

The score on your test isn't what matters most here

Harvard could take all perfect SAT scores if they wanted.... but they don't

HOLISTIC Admissions

Holistic admissions is just a palatable way to justify discrimination.

What do you prefer? Admit the whole class by SAT scores and grades? Then what if the applicants with near perfect scores and grades exceeds the number of slots? No room for athletes, URMs, legacies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll be even more blunt

This isn't Korea or China or India

The score on your test isn't what matters most here

Harvard could take all perfect SAT scores if they wanted.... but they don't

HOLISTIC Admissions

Holistic admissions is just a palatable way to justify discrimination.

New poster here. This is a tough one because Holistic admissions definitely help inner school kids with lower test scores who can say, look at all the obstacles I had to overcome to get to where I am and that shows how I will keep working hard in college. Which is a fair thing to argue. Standardized tests have known biases, our school systems are not equal, so moving purely to grades and test scores can also be a means to discrimination. There is no easy answer here. One good step would to have diversity represented in the people making the admissions decisions so that non-traditionally white male extracurriculars don't have a disadvantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll be even more blunt

This isn't Korea or China or India

The score on your test isn't what matters most here

Harvard could take all perfect SAT scores if they wanted.... but they don't

HOLISTIC Admissions

Holistic admissions is just a palatable way to justify discrimination.

No holistic admissions is a way for a university to shape a class, and decide that they need or want humanities students, journalists and musicians, in addition to 2400 SAT/4.0 pre-med students. The musician contributes something different to class discussions and campus life than the pre-med kid.

[Anonymous]

I genuinely wonder if Asian students in non- STEM fields are at an academic disadvantage? Or is the problem just that their are a zillion Asian applicants for a school's STEM slots-- and no, not every STEM admit can have the same background?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am mixed on the issue. On one hand, I definitely see their point. On the other side, what happens to African Americans and Hispanics who get bonus points to their score for their minority status. Do you change the criteria for universities to allow one group to have more students, Asians, knowing the ruling would really harm another minority group, African American and Hispanic.

shouldn't the strongest student be admitted without regard to race? Shall we disadvantage one group to give favor to another? Sounds like discrimination pure and simple.

You are missing why schools began looking at race. The US had a history of horrible discrimination against blacks. Seperate toilets, schools, sitting in the back of a bus. (Not nonsense of confusing Asian 1st generation that came to college directly from China and 2nd generation Asian Americans born here whose parents came from China - and someone calling it racism on this thread) The racism was bad and affirmative action was put in place to make up for horrible discrimination their ancestors faced. This is how the US system rightfully started using race as a criteria. So if they are looking at race, it's all races that are a criteria. If you think about the history it's pretty clear why race was considered a criteria, not to discriminate but to make up for past discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am mixed on the issue. On one hand, I definitely see their point. On the other side, what happens to African Americans and Hispanics who get bonus points to their score for their minority status. Do you change the criteria for universities to allow one group to have more students, Asians, knowing the ruling would really harm another minority group, African American and Hispanic.

shouldn't the strongest student be admitted without regard to race? Shall we disadvantage one group to give favor to another? Sounds like discrimination pure and simple.

You are missing why schools began looking at race. The US had a history of horrible discrimination against blacks. Seperate toilets, schools, sitting in the back of a bus. (Not nonsense of confusing Asian 1st generation that came to college directly from China and 2nd generation Asian Americans born here whose parents came from China - and someone calling it racism on this thread) The racism was bad and affirmative action was put in place to make up for horrible discrimination their ancestors faced. This is how the US system rightfully started using race as a criteria. So if they are looking at race, it's all races that are a criteria. If you think about the history it's pretty clear why race was considered a criteria, not to discriminate but to make up for past discrimination.

^ that is not the job of private colleges. I think they want to add different voices and experiences to the student body's discussions. They don't want all white, or all Asian. They want some diversity. It benefits class discussions and helps students learn from one another. And that is all good and legal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am mixed on the issue. On one hand, I definitely see their point. On the other side, what happens to African Americans and Hispanics who get bonus points to their score for their minority status. Do you change the criteria for universities to allow one group to have more students, Asians, knowing the ruling would really harm another minority group, African American and Hispanic.

shouldn't the strongest student be admitted without regard to race? Shall we disadvantage one group to give favor to another? Sounds like discrimination pure and simple.

You are missing why schools began looking at race. The US had a history of horrible discrimination against blacks. Seperate toilets, schools, sitting in the back of a bus. (Not nonsense of confusing Asian 1st generation that came to college directly from China and 2nd generation Asian Americans born here whose parents came from China - and someone calling it racism on this thread) The racism was bad and affirmative action was put in place to make up for horrible discrimination their ancestors faced. This is how the US system rightfully started using race as a criteria. So if they are looking at race, it's all races that are a criteria. If you think about the history it's pretty clear why race was considered a criteria, not to discriminate but to make up for past discrimination.

^ that is not the job of private colleges. I think they want to add different voices and experiences to the student body's discussions. They don't want all white, or all Asian. They want some diversity. It benefits class discussions and helps students learn from one another. And that is all good and legal.

Except is doesn't because differences of opinion, viewpoint, etc is now shut out via microaggressions and safe spaces.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am mixed on the issue. On one hand, I definitely see their point. On the other side, what happens to African Americans and Hispanics who get bonus points to their score for their minority status. Do you change the criteria for universities to allow one group to have more students, Asians, knowing the ruling would really harm another minority group, African American and Hispanic.

shouldn't the strongest student be admitted without regard to race? Shall we disadvantage one group to give favor to another? Sounds like discrimination pure and simple.

You are missing why schools began looking at race. The US had a history of horrible discrimination against blacks. Seperate toilets, schools, sitting in the back of a bus. (Not nonsense of confusing Asian 1st generation that came to college directly from China and 2nd generation Asian Americans born here whose parents came from China - and someone calling it racism on this thread) The racism was bad and affirmative action was put in place to make up for horrible discrimination their ancestors faced. This is how the US system rightfully started using race as a criteria. So if they are looking at race, it's all races that are a criteria. If you think about the history it's pretty clear why race was considered a criteria, not to discriminate but to make up for past discrimination.

^ that is not the job of private colleges. I think they want to add different voices and experiences to the student body's discussions. They don't want all white, or all Asian. They want some diversity. It benefits class discussions and helps students learn from one another. And that is all good and legal.

Except is doesn't because differences of opinion, viewpoint, etc is now shut out via microaggressions and safe spaces.

Yeah, I think some kids get educated well beyond the level of their intelligence.

[Anonymous]

Let me get this straight:

- some white people complain that there are too many Asian Americans in universities
- some white people complain that African Americans only get into elite universities because of affirmative action
- some white people complain that Hispanics are taking their jobs

Is there any group of people that white people don't complain about taking from them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll be even more blunt

This isn't Korea or China or India

The score on your test isn't what matters most here

Harvard could take all perfect SAT scores if they wanted.... but they don't

HOLISTIC Admissions

Holistic admissions is just a palatable way to justify discrimination.

New poster here. This is a tough one because Holistic admissions definitely help inner school kids with lower test scores who can say, look at all the obstacles I had to overcome to get to where I am and that shows how I will keep working hard in college. Which is a fair thing to argue. Standardized tests have known biases, our school systems are not equal, so moving purely to grades and test scores can also be a means to discrimination. There is no easy answer here. One good step would to have diversity represented in the people making the admissions decisions so that non-traditionally white male extracurriculars don't have a disadvantage.

No, they really don't. Unless you mean they're biased against less intelligent and less diligent students?

I think it's reasonable to give bumps to admission based on deprived backgrounds, but anything else is simply institutionalized racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight:

- some white people complain that there are too many Asian Americans in universities
- some white people complain that African Americans only get into elite universities because of affirmative action
- some white people complain that Hispanics are taking their jobs

Is there any group of people that white people don't complain about taking from them?

It's the Asian Americans filing the complaint correct? Not the white, black or Hispanic groups. It's the Asian Americans complaint that this thread is focused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight:

- some white people complain that there are too many Asian Americans in universities
- some white people complain that African Americans only get into elite universities because of affirmative action
- some white people complain that Hispanics are taking their jobs

Is there any group of people that white people don't complain about taking from them?

It's the Asian Americans filing the complaint correct? Not the white, black or Hispanic groups. It's the Asian Americans complaint that this thread is focused.

Yes, but there are some posters here, and I'm sure some who don't post on here, who complain about too many Asian Americans and their over representation in universities and magnet programs. I'm sure not all of them are white, but I bet some, if not a lot, are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To base admissions on race is - racist. This is what holds the U of Maryland back. They fall for the liberal bs and diversify thus alumni don't do as well. Thus less publicity and less alumni donations.

Spot on - note that the top three publics are race blind - cal, uclA, & Michigan are all race blind