Asian-American Groups Accuse Brown, Dartmouth, and Yale of Bias in Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Curious about the Asian make-up of our service academies. I don't see them alleging bias there. I wonder why that is?

I think fewer Asian's apply to service academies. You have to give back in service and that isn't always a cultural preference.

Ouch. That's pretty raw.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious about the Asian make-up of our service academies. I don't see them alleging bias there. I wonder why that is?

I think fewer Asian's apply to service academies. You have to give back in service and that isn't always a cultural preference.

Ouch. That's pretty raw.

It's true though. Look at the PTA participation.

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Anonymous wrote:^ there are literally hundreds of these accepts/rejects posts on CC. not sure if hand-picking 3 examples to fit your point proves anything.

Take it any way you want, twist and distort any way you want. I could care less. Bottom line is that the holistic method works and affords an opportunity to those who would never get a shot IF used properly.

You can victimize all you want but the bottom line is that there are just so many seats, no one race is getting all of them, and I applaud the holistic approach. Otherwise the Asian student would not have been accepted over other Asians with PERFECT scores of which there are many.

Finished.

I hope the Asians now attending Ivies get involved with activities. I went to an Ivy with lots of Asians but most contributed very little to the campus atmosphere. All most did was study. A few were better assimilated and actually got involved with things, but most might as well have taken distance-learning classes.

And how many Asians did you actually hang out with? I went to an Ivy in a very elite program where three quarter were Asians. No one was involved in a lousy fraternity where people drank too much, but we did all sorts of activities ranging from business associations to women's groups to acapella groups. Now we are all top finance/law/start up/hedge fund professionals. Do we threaten you?

You bored me then, and it sounds like you're just as boring now. Please don't try to ruin our schools - and, yes, our ancestors founded them, not yours - any more than you have already. I'm sure there are schools in China where you can learn to code, hack websites, and short mortgage bonds.

Not very nice a all, and uncalled for.
Having said that, the Asians have no more "right" to get into the Ivies than anyone else.
They have Cal. Berkeley, U.Va. etc.
And it troubles me a bit they're fighting for an even higher rate of over-representation than they already have.
Their gains of course must come at the expense of URMs and athletes, and legacies (which are lawful so far as I know).

UVa? Nice try.

? could you explain what you mean? Half of TJ's graduating class goes to UVA - like a couple of hundred kids a year. Most of these are Asian. So not sure what you mean.

Asians aim higher.

Asian-Americans do not consider UVA a top school. UVA is a cheap back up if you do not get into a top school. I'm from the Northeast and went to Harvard. Asians and Asian-Americans are better accepted and respected in the north.

Indeed.

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Smart folks recognize smart folks.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully after this election we can move beyond all these race centered policies.

Yes, race was never an issue in this country until Obama was elected.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully after this election we can move beyond all these race centered policies.

Yes, race was never an issue in this country until Obama was elected.

Obama being elected and reelected means let's stop this racial excuses.

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Anonymous wrote:So, they feel superior test scores entitle them to entrance?

I don't know if they do, but if they did, well, that sounds like a much more relevant reason for admission than one's skin color, don't you think?

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Oh great, the same boring class every year. I certainly want diversity - all kinds of diversity, race included. I also want gender, income, interests and sports. For all of the crying, how many people ACTUALLY know anything about black people? Culturally? There are differences, just as there are differences with Latinos and Asians. I certainly want those experiences. I would be richer for them.

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Anonymous wrote:So, they feel superior test scores entitle them to entrance?

I don't know if they do, but if they did, well, that sounds like a much more relevant reason for admission than one's skin color, don't you think?

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Oh great, the same boring class every year. I certainly want diversity - all kinds of diversity, race included. I also want gender, income, interests and sports. For all of the crying, how many people ACTUALLY know anything about black people? Culturally? There are differences, just as there are differences with Latinos and Asians. I certainly want those experiences. I would be richer for them.

There are good colleges in South Africa. Have you ACTUALLY applied to any?

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Anonymous wrote:Curious about the Asian make-up of our service academies. I don't see them alleging bias there. I wonder why that is?

I'm Asian and my parents were supportive of us explorin the service academy option.

Me and my siblings did the summer leadership seminars at west poin and Annapolis where you spend a week in your junior summer on campus.

We were turned off by the overtly Christian presence.

If the service academies and the service wasn't so Christian centric in culture, I'm sure a lot more Asians would apply.

There are a lot of Asians/Indians in state and in the ic. These orgs are a lot less Christian focused.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw this play out, on a smaller scale, this year for TJ admissions. Our next door neighbors DD & our DD applied. Our neighbor, 1st generation Asian, did 3 years of 4 hour a week drill and kill on the TJ entrance test. I'm sure her test scores were great. But, she did that to the exclusion of everything else. She dropped her instrument in 8th grade so that she could study more (when I asked her why Sshe wasn't at the first concert of the year she said, "my parents thought I needed to focus on TJ this year") and had no other extracurriculars to take her focus away from studying for the TJ test.

Meanwhile, DD doubled down on her music 8th grade year, and joined a community music group in addition to playing in school. And did a very demanding academic extracurricular, where he received regional awards. DD carried a 3.9 in MS (one A-). I'm sure our neighbor carried this or a 4.0. DD got a good, but not off the charts, score on the math section of the TJ test (aced the verbal). Our neighbor probably had a higher score, at least in math (I didn't ask). But DD was admitted and our neighbor was not.

I feel awful for our neighbor, who is a really nice kid. But I think her parents did her a disservice. When it came time for essays, which count as much or more than the test, there was nothing there. And I think DD will go to TJ, counting with her instrument, continue with her extracurricular, and contribute a lot to classroom discussion and the TJ community. Even if our neighbor had a higher math score, I think this was the right result. The Asian American group suing TJ (which is 79% Asian) believe that admission should be based solely on the math section of the TJ test. It is just two completely different viewpoints.

Yes, there are two different viewpoints, but that's not the main complaint by Asian Americans.

Let's use the example of your first generation Asian neighbor, and let's say he WON'T get in. What Asian Americans are complaining about is, why is that, when another African American boy from the same neighborhood and with the same exact lack of worthy extracurriculars and with 10% worse scores is ADMITTED?
It's clear racial bias, all because supposedly a) all Asians are the same and b) all of them, regardless of country/ religion/ language/ SES are "overrepresented."

so what's the problem? AA's need a leg up. The Asians don't. That's clear. All legal and lawful.

The legality of that is being contested and will continue to be contested until Affirmative action is struck down. And it will be in our lifetimes.

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Anonymous wrote:Asian-Americans do not consider UVA a top school. UVA is a cheap back up if you do not get into a top school. I'm from the Northeast and went to Harvard. Asians and Asian-Americans are better accepted and respected in the north.

Indeed.

+1.

Smart folks recognize smart folks.

Gag.

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Anonymous wrote:So, they feel superior test scores entitle them to entrance?

I don't know if they do, but if they did, well, that sounds like a much more relevant reason for admission than one's skin color, don't you think?

+1

Oh great, the same boring class every year. I certainly want diversity - all kinds of diversity, race included. I also want gender, income, interests and sports. For all of the crying, how many people ACTUALLY know anything about black people? Culturally? There are differences, just as there are differences with Latinos and Asians. I certainly want those experiences. I would be richer for them.

If you were passed up for a promotion by a person who you knew to be less qualified by a long shot, all due to "diversity", I'm guessing you wouldn't be too happy.

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+1 You get it.

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if discrimination against blacks was bad, discrimination against asians and whites is too. same crime, different victims.

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Anonymous wrote:if discrimination against blacks was bad, discrimination against asians and whites is too. same crime, different victims.

Don't forget gays, lesbians, transgenders, people of various religious faiths, people of various political ideologies, vegans, recovering alcoholics/addicts and ex-cons.
Bad to discriminate against them too.

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Anonymous wrote:if discrimination against blacks was bad, discrimination against asians and whites is too. same crime, different victims.

Don't forget gays, lesbians, transgenders, people of various religious faiths, people of various political ideologies, vegans, recovering alcoholics/addicts and ex-cons.
Bad to discriminate against them too.

No. That speaks to character and safety issues. Many colleges will not allow in criminals, like the Stanford rapist, thank goodness.