Asian-American Groups Accuse Brown, Dartmouth, and Yale of Bias in Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:^ there are literally hundreds of these accepts/rejects posts on CC. not sure if hand-picking 3 examples to fit your point proves anything.

Take it any way you want, twist and distort any way you want. I could care less. Bottom line is that the holistic method works and affords an opportunity to those who would never get a shot IF used properly.

You can victimize all you want but the bottom line is that there are just so many seats, no one race is getting all of them, and I applaud the holistic approach. Otherwise the Asian student would not have been accepted over other Asians with PERFECT scores of which there are many.

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I hope the Asians now attending Ivies get involved with activities. I went to an Ivy with lots of Asians but most contributed very little to the campus atmosphere. All most did was study. A few were better assimilated and actually got involved with things, but most might as well have taken distance-learning classes.

And how many Asians did you actually hang out with? I went to an Ivy in a very elite program where three quarter were Asians. No one was involved in a lousy fraternity where people drank too much, but we did all sorts of activities ranging from business associations to women's groups to acapella groups. Now we are all top finance/law/start up/hedge fund professionals. Do we threaten you?

You bored me then, and it sounds like you're just as boring now. Please don't try to ruin our schools - and, yes, our ancestors founded them, not yours - any more than you have already. I'm sure there are schools in China where you can learn to code, hack websites, and short mortgage bonds.

Sorry vague insults like that are beneath my time. However racism is a good look for you, keep wearing it as you fade into irrelevance.

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Anonymous wrote:^ there are literally hundreds of these accepts/rejects posts on CC. not sure if hand-picking 3 examples to fit your point proves anything.

Take it any way you want, twist and distort any way you want. I could care less. Bottom line is that the holistic method works and affords an opportunity to those who would never get a shot IF used properly.

You can victimize all you want but the bottom line is that there are just so many seats, no one race is getting all of them, and I applaud the holistic approach. Otherwise the Asian student would not have been accepted over other Asians with PERFECT scores of which there are many.

Finished.

I hope the Asians now attending Ivies get involved with activities. I went to an Ivy with lots of Asians but most contributed very little to the campus atmosphere. All most did was study. A few were better assimilated and actually got involved with things, but most might as well have taken distance-learning classes.

And how many Asians did you actually hang out with? I went to an Ivy in a very elite program where three quarter were Asians. No one was involved in a lousy fraternity where people drank too much, but we did all sorts of activities ranging from business associations to women's groups to acapella groups. Now we are all top finance/law/start up/hedge fund professionals. Do we threaten you?

You bored me then, and it sounds like you're just as boring now. Please don't try to ruin our schools - and, yes, our ancestors founded them, not yours - any more than you have already. I'm sure there are schools in China where you can learn to code, hack websites, and short mortgage bonds.

Not very nice a all, and uncalled for.
Having said that, the Asians have no more "right" to get into the Ivies than anyone else.
They have Cal. Berkeley, U.Va. etc.
And it troubles me a bit they're fighting for an even higher rate of over-representation than they already have.
Their gains of course must come at the expense of URMs and athletes, and legacies (which are lawful so far as I know).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ there are literally hundreds of these accepts/rejects posts on CC. not sure if hand-picking 3 examples to fit your point proves anything.

Take it any way you want, twist and distort any way you want. I could care less. Bottom line is that the holistic method works and affords an opportunity to those who would never get a shot IF used properly.

You can victimize all you want but the bottom line is that there are just so many seats, no one race is getting all of them, and I applaud the holistic approach. Otherwise the Asian student would not have been accepted over other Asians with PERFECT scores of which there are many.

Finished.

I hope the Asians now attending Ivies get involved with activities. I went to an Ivy with lots of Asians but most contributed very little to the campus atmosphere. All most did was study. A few were better assimilated and actually got involved with things, but most might as well have taken distance-learning classes.

And how many Asians did you actually hang out with? I went to an Ivy in a very elite program where three quarter were Asians. No one was involved in a lousy fraternity where people drank too much, but we did all sorts of activities ranging from business associations to women's groups to acapella groups. Now we are all top finance/law/start up/hedge fund professionals. Do we threaten you?

You bored me then, and it sounds like you're just as boring now. Please don't try to ruin our schools - and, yes, our ancestors founded them, not yours - any more than you have already. I'm sure there are schools in China where you can learn to code, hack websites, and short mortgage bonds.

Not very nice a all, and uncalled for.
Having said that, the Asians have no more "right" to get into the Ivies than anyone else.
They have Cal. Berkeley, U.Va. etc.
And it troubles me a bit they're fighting for an even higher rate of over-representation than they already have.
Their gains of course must come at the expense of URMs and athletes, and legacies (which are lawful so far as I know).

UVa? Nice try.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ there are literally hundreds of these accepts/rejects posts on CC. not sure if hand-picking 3 examples to fit your point proves anything.

Take it any way you want, twist and distort any way you want. I could care less. Bottom line is that the holistic method works and affords an opportunity to those who would never get a shot IF used properly.

You can victimize all you want but the bottom line is that there are just so many seats, no one race is getting all of them, and I applaud the holistic approach. Otherwise the Asian student would not have been accepted over other Asians with PERFECT scores of which there are many.

Finished.

I hope the Asians now attending Ivies get involved with activities. I went to an Ivy with lots of Asians but most contributed very little to the campus atmosphere. All most did was study. A few were better assimilated and actually got involved with things, but most might as well have taken distance-learning classes.

And how many Asians did you actually hang out with? I went to an Ivy in a very elite program where three quarter were Asians. No one was involved in a lousy fraternity where people drank too much, but we did all sorts of activities ranging from business associations to women's groups to acapella groups. Now we are all top finance/law/start up/hedge fund professionals. Do we threaten you?

You bored me then, and it sounds like you're just as boring now. Please don't try to ruin our schools - and, yes, our ancestors founded them, not yours - any more than you have already. I'm sure there are schools in China where you can learn to code, hack websites, and short mortgage bonds.

Not very nice a all, and uncalled for.
Having said that, the Asians have no more "right" to get into the Ivies than anyone else.
They have Cal. Berkeley, U.Va. etc.
And it troubles me a bit they're fighting for an even higher rate of over-representation than they already have.
Their gains of course must come at the expense of URMs and athletes, and legacies (which are lawful so far as I know).

UVa? Nice try.

? could you explain what you mean? Half of TJ's graduating class goes to UVA - like a couple of hundred kids a year. Most of these are Asian. So not sure what you mean.

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I find it telling the group filed a complaint with DOE and DOJ. It's not a lawsuit. A court is bound by law - so maybe they decided against going that route? Or maybe they don''t have enough facts. Notice they ask DOE/DOJ to "investigate" their claims. Good luck. Maybe Hillary will make this a high priority item in her administration. How much did the Asians contribute?

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Anonymous wrote:I'll be even more blunt

This isn't Korea or China or India

The score on your test isn't what matters most here

Harvard could take all perfect SAT scores if they wanted.... but they don't

HOLISTIC Admissions

This. DC goes to a TJ feeder MS that is half Asian, and even in 7-8th grade, it is all about the STEM grades/TJ test score, at the expense of non-academic extracurriculars and just about everything else (including sleep). And there are lots of kids who are not pursuing their own interests or passions (even academic ones) but checking whatever box they need to for TJ admissions. There is something depressing about a school where everyone is the same. Not the same skin color either. But where 400 kids show up to MathCounts, TSA or TARC tryouts, (and only a tiny fraction actually like math or science) and nobody wants to be in the school play. Where music, art, wring and cross- disciplinary thinking do not have a lot of value. Colleges should have lots of different types of people, and I want my child to have a well rounded college experience. I think the Asian kid who plays an instrument at a high level and loves literature should have the same chance of getting into Harvard as the white kid with the same qualifications. But many, many Asian kids have perfectly mastered the answers to the test, but have little else to contribute. No college needs thousands of clones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll be even more blunt

This isn't Korea or China or India

The score on your test isn't what matters most here

Harvard could take all perfect SAT scores if they wanted.... but they don't

HOLISTIC Admissions

This. DC goes to a TJ feeder MS that is half Asian, and even in 7-8th grade, it is all about the STEM grades/TJ test score, at the expense of non-academic extracurriculars and just about everything else (including sleep). And there are lots of kids who are not pursuing their own interests or passions (even academic ones) but checking whatever box they need to for TJ admissions. There is something depressing about a school where everyone is the same. Not the same skin color either. But where 400 kids show up to MathCounts, TSA or TARC tryouts, (and only a tiny fraction actually like math or science) and nobody wants to be in the school play. Where music, art, wring and cross- disciplinary thinking do not have a lot of value. Colleges should have lots of different types of people, and I want my child to have a well rounded college experience. I think the Asian kid who plays an instrument at a high level and loves literature should have the same chance of getting into Harvard as the white kid with the same qualifications. But many, many Asian kids have perfectly mastered the answers to the test, but have little else to contribute. No college needs thousands of clones.

+1. These colleges are not the ITTs of India nor do they want kids who are the products of exam-hell process of Japan and India. But the Asians who filed this complaint don't get that. The bolded sentence is right: none of these colleges want a whole class of kids who are all the same, nor should they.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll be even more blunt

This isn't Korea or China or India

The score on your test isn't what matters most here

Harvard could take all perfect SAT scores if they wanted.... but they don't

HOLISTIC Admissions

This. DC goes to a TJ feeder MS that is half Asian, and even in 7-8th grade, it is all about the STEM grades/TJ test score, at the expense of non-academic extracurriculars and just about everything else (including sleep). And there are lots of kids who are not pursuing their own interests or passions (even academic ones) but checking whatever box they need to for TJ admissions. There is something depressing about a school where everyone is the same. Not the same skin color either. But where 400 kids show up to MathCounts, TSA or TARC tryouts, (and only a tiny fraction actually like math or science) and nobody wants to be in the school play. Where music, art, wring and cross- disciplinary thinking do not have a lot of value. Colleges should have lots of different types of people, and I want my child to have a well rounded college experience. I think the Asian kid who plays an instrument at a high level and loves literature should have the same chance of getting into Harvard as the white kid with the same qualifications. But many, many Asian kids have perfectly mastered the answers to the test, but have little else to contribute. No college needs thousands of clones.

+1. These colleges are not the ITTs of India nor do they want kids who are the products of exam-hell process of Japan and India. But the Asians who filed this complaint don't get that. The bolded sentence is right: none of these colleges want a whole class of kids who are all the same, nor should they.

sorry, that should have been China.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll be even more blunt

This isn't Korea or China or India

The score on your test isn't what matters most here

Harvard could take all perfect SAT scores if they wanted.... but they don't

HOLISTIC Admissions

This. DC goes to a TJ feeder MS that is half Asian, and even in 7-8th grade, it is all about the STEM grades/TJ test score, at the expense of non-academic extracurriculars and just about everything else (including sleep). And there are lots of kids who are not pursuing their own interests or passions (even academic ones) but checking whatever box they need to for TJ admissions. There is something depressing about a school where everyone is the same. Not the same skin color either. But where 400 kids show up to MathCounts, TSA or TARC tryouts, (and only a tiny fraction actually like math or science) and nobody wants to be in the school play. Where music, art, wring and cross- disciplinary thinking do not have a lot of value. Colleges should have lots of different types of people, and I want my child to have a well rounded college experience. I think the Asian kid who plays an instrument at a high level and loves literature should have the same chance of getting into Harvard as the white kid with the same qualifications. But many, many Asian kids have perfectly mastered the answers to the test, but have little else to contribute. No college needs thousands of clones.

I don't think Asians are clones. That's pretty derogatory, but if a school like Harvard were based on test scores alone, they would need to build more dorms. Think about how many valedictorians with perfect scores apply to the school of all races. That sad I went to an Ivy and think that there should be a cap on prep school kids not Asian Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:"The Asian American Coalition for Education, consisting of more than 100 local, state, and national Asian-American organizations, intends to ask the Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights and the U.S. Justice Department to investigate the three institutions. Its letter of complaint to the two federal agencies also asks them to require colleges throughout the Ivy League to cease an array of admissions practices that, it argues, unlawfully discriminate against Asian-American applicants."

http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/asian-american-groups-accuse-brown-dartmouth-and-yale-of-bias-in-admissions/111539

Yuck. The Ivies are already crawling with Asians. I wonder how many schools in Korea and China bend over backwards to admit non-Asians. And you wonder why Trump will be the next President.

Your attitude is yuck. So they are "crawling" with Asians. Maybe it's because they studied really hard? I don't know if China or Korea has non-Asians wanting to go to universities there, but if there were, I'm sure they would admit them if they had top scores. All Asian universities care about are top scores.

Your attitude is why so many people think Trump supporters are racist and dumb. And what is Trump going to do about the number of Asian admissions to elite universities? You are truly dumb.

All Asians here care about are "top scores." They want everything reduced to Asian-style admissions exams (oh, and bribes when that doesn't work out). Hopefully the Ivies will survive the hordes.

Typical Trump supporter - don't want to have to work hard and compete. You want the gov't to bar anyone who might take your position away from you because you can't hack it on your own. It's usually the wealthy white people who use "bribes" to get their kids into elite universities here because they otherwise can't do it on their own merit.

Trump supporter? Where are you getting that--your own bias? Poster is an ass but they come in all political affiliations.

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Anonymous wrote:I am mixed on the issue. On one hand, I definitely see their point. On the other side, what happens to African Americans and Hispanics who get bonus points to their score for their minority status. Do you change the criteria for universities to allow one group to have more students, Asians, knowing the ruling would really harm another minority group, African American and Hispanic.

shouldn't the strongest student be admitted without regard to race? Shall we disadvantage one group to give favor to another? Sounds like discrimination pure and simple.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am mixed on the issue. On one hand, I definitely see their point. On the other side, what happens to African Americans and Hispanics who get bonus points to their score for their minority status. Do you change the criteria for universities to allow one group to have more students, Asians, knowing the ruling would really harm another minority group, African American and Hispanic.

That's something that I think hurts everyone. I guess the question is, at what point do we assess a person on their merit rather than on the color of their skin, whether for good or bad?

If you are talking about SES, low income vs. upper income, I might agree with you. But, I don't see how giving an upper income Black/Hispanic student extra point just for the color of their skin when there are poor white/Asian students who don't have a fraction of the advantages the wealthy Black/Hispanic student has as being fair.

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Anonymous wrote:I am mixed on the issue. On one hand, I definitely see their point. On the other side, what happens to African Americans and Hispanics who get bonus points to their score for their minority status. Do you change the criteria for universities to allow one group to have more students, Asians, knowing the ruling would really harm another minority group, African American and Hispanic.

shouldn't the strongest student be admitted without regard to race? Shall we disadvantage one group to give favor to another? Sounds like discrimination pure and simple.

private schools can shape their classes as they see fit. They definitely can choose to admit more AA and Hispanic students whose life experiences may have been missing from the student body theretofore. All legal and lawful.

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Anonymous wrote:It's scary to read some of your comments and know how you REALLY feel about me, an Asian American. So many ignorant, scared racists among you.

Well, don't feel too bad. It's not just against Asians. I think Americans, generally speaking, feel a lot of resentment towards other races. From that standpoint, we (regardless of your race) are equally guilty. It is no "melting pot"... Just a pot with different things that don't mix thrown in.

That doesn't make this AMERICAN feel any better. I don't like to see racism against other races either.

Sigh... I hear you but that's where we are as a nation.

Yet, it the progressive who are against the melting pot concept--everyone keep their own racial, ethnic, cultural identity instead of becoming "Americans" first-- let's add fuel to the divide!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"The Asian American Coalition for Education, consisting of more than 100 local, state, and national Asian-American organizations, intends to ask the Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights and the U.S. Justice Department to investigate the three institutions. Its letter of complaint to the two federal agencies also asks them to require colleges throughout the Ivy League to cease an array of admissions practices that, it argues, unlawfully discriminate against Asian-American applicants."

http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/asian-american-groups-accuse-brown-dartmouth-and-yale-of-bias-in-admissions/111539

Yuck. The Ivies are already crawling with Asians. I wonder how many schools in Korea and China bend over backwards to admit non-Asians. And you wonder why Trump will be the next President.

Your attitude is yuck. So they are "crawling" with Asians. Maybe it's because they studied really hard? I don't know if China or Korea has non-Asians wanting to go to universities there, but if there were, I'm sure they would admit them if they had top scores. All Asian universities care about are top scores.

Your attitude is why so many people think Trump supporters are racist and dumb. And what is Trump going to do about the number of Asian admissions to elite universities? You are truly dumb.

All Asians here care about are "top scores." They want everything reduced to Asian-style admissions exams (oh, and bribes when that doesn't work out). Hopefully the Ivies will survive the hordes.

I always find it funny that white people bitch about Asians only caring about top scores, wanting colleges to look beyond grades and numbers. Then when other minorities get a slight admissions preference with lower scores, it's all, "but why should they get in when white kids have higher scores".

- a white person

+1 Like most other Trump supporters, they only want the govt to intervene when it benefits them, and nobody else. And they don't want to have to work harder than the other groups. "It's just not fair! The world is out to get them!" Pathetic.

This isn't a Trump vs Hillary supporter issue--except in your mind. Your own prejudices are glaring.