Why should I have to pay for welfare, public schools, Section 8 housing, etc?

[Anonymous]

If Hungary and Russia are really high on OP's listing, then we see what freedoms OP really cares about.

Political freedom -- what with Putin and Orban -- isn't high on his list. Just the freedom to be anti-ghey.

[Anonymous]

OP isn't responding because he hasn't gotten out of school yet lol. The same school he doesn't want his 'taxpayer dollars' spent on. Oh man am I glad I'm not your parent kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:Anyone on this forum who knows anything about Hungary, Russia, or Northern Ireland? In one sense, I think Northern Ireland would be the best fit for me because they speak English, and abortion/gay marriage are totally illegal. However, social Liberalism seems like it's starting to infect Northern Ireland. Hungary and Russia are both anti-gay/abortion. Hungarys stance on illegal immigration is very good. The issue with those 2 is that I'd have to learn a new language.

It seems kind of silly to write off a country you like, just because you would have to learn a new language. That said, Northern Ireland is 40% Catholic, and Catholics are very progressive on welfare and poverty. So social liberalism has always been there.

And honestly it boggles the mind why you would pick a country based on their abortion/gay rights laws. i thought the whole prepper thing is not giving a shit what other people are doing as long as you can do what you need to do.

But if you want english speaking, anti-abortion, and anti-gay, there should be a good selection of African countries to fit the bill. For instance, Kenya speaks English, outlaws abortion except in the most extreme conditions (similar to Northern Ireland) and puts gay people in prison. You would have to live with black people, but then again you didn't raise that as an issue.

I believe his "prep" refers to prep school. He is in high school.

He is in high school, but the "prep" is because he longs for a world where everyone wears blazers and khakis.

i assume he is a prepper.

[Anonymous]

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:When I talk to Liberals about gay marriage and abortion they often say " If you don't support gay marriage, don't marry a man" and " if you don't support abortion, date a woman who doesn't support abortion" So if truth is relative, and it's all about what we "want", why should I pay for
1. Welfare ( food stamps, Section 8 Housing, etc)
AND
Public schools and universities.
I DONT WANT to pay for these. Here's what I'll say. If you want public education and welfare, personally donate your money to the government, so they can specifically use it on this. You have NO RIGHT to use my money for these things.

As an American, you agree to live under the constitution. That means you agree to obey laws which are judged to be constitutional. Taxes are one set of such laws.

You also agree to accept the authority of the Supreme Court to provide the decisive interpretation of the constitution. So I have to accept Heller, and you have to accept Obergefell. This does not mean we have to believe it is morally right in the eyes of God, or that the court correctly interpreted the law. For example, I believe (and my church teaches) that the death penalty is morally wrong. And I think the the court in Heller erred in discerning the meaning of "well regulated militia". Nonetheless I must accept that it has been determined to be legally right under the constitution.

So no, I do not get to vote on whether you get your weapons. You do not get to vote on whether I marry. And neither of us gets to pick and choose which government expenses we will fund.

One of the greatest Supreme Court Justices of all time said the following: "Taxes are what we pay for civilized society"

Funny. We had a civilized society before the 16th amendment.

No, we had to levy income taxes to pay for the civil war. Had we not, America as we know it would not exist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:When I talk to Liberals about gay marriage and abortion they often say " If you don't support gay marriage, don't marry a man" and " if you don't support abortion, date a woman who doesn't support abortion" So if truth is relative, and it's all about what we "want", why should I pay for
1. Welfare ( food stamps, Section 8 Housing, etc)
AND
Public schools and universities.
I DONT WANT to pay for these. Here's what I'll say. If you want public education and welfare, personally donate your money to the government, so they can specifically use it on this. You have NO RIGHT to use my money for these things.

As an American, you agree to live under the constitution. That means you agree to obey laws which are judged to be constitutional. Taxes are one set of such laws.

You also agree to accept the authority of the Supreme Court to provide the decisive interpretation of the constitution. So I have to accept Heller, and you have to accept Obergefell. This does not mean we have to believe it is morally right in the eyes of God, or that the court correctly interpreted the law. For example, I believe (and my church teaches) that the death penalty is morally wrong. And I think the the court in Heller erred in discerning the meaning of "well regulated militia". Nonetheless I must accept that it has been determined to be legally right under the constitution.

So no, I do not get to vote on whether you get your weapons. You do not get to vote on whether I marry. And neither of us gets to pick and choose which government expenses we will fund.

One of the greatest Supreme Court Justices of all time said the following: "Taxes are what we pay for civilized society"

Funny. We had a civilized society before the 16th amendment.

No, we had to levy income taxes to pay for the civil war. Had we not, America as we know it would not exist.

OP is clearly not getting a good public education, at least in history class.

[Anonymous]

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I DON'T WANT to pay for land wars in Asia started by presidents who lie to us, but I do.

Suck it up, buttercup.

I DONT WANT TO PAY for wars either my friends. I am STAUNCHLY Anti-War. Not all conservatives are the same. I'm a real conservative. I hate Bush, Limbaugh, Hanity, and all NeoCon trash. I'm a socially conservative, Anti-war, Protectionist. God bless Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul!

OP, have you ever been to a third world country where there is essentially no safety net to speak of? I suggest it, you may change your mind. We are so fortunate in this country.

[Anonymous]

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Luckily for you there are many countries in this world and you are free to live in one that suits your fancy better.

Not sure how "don't marry a gay person if you aren't gay" is analogous to "don't pay taxes" but ... Whatever you say. I'm sure our country would be super amazing if no one went to school.

There are thankfully many countries in this world. If Hillary wins, I'm moving to Russia, Hungary, or Northern Ireland.

What a loss to our country!

Be prepared to get your ass kicked by the Irish, they don't like assholes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Luckily for you there are many countries in this world and you are free to live in one that suits your fancy better.

Not sure how "don't marry a gay person if you aren't gay" is analogous to "don't pay taxes" but ... Whatever you say. I'm sure our country would be super amazing if no one went to school.

There are thankfully many countries in this world. If Hillary wins, I'm moving to Russia, Hungary, or Northern Ireland.

What a loss to our country!

Be prepared to get your ass kicked by the Irish, they don't like assholes.

Russia, lol! So you don't want to pay for welfare but are ok with a corrupt government that offs journalists who dare to criticize? What a waster if taxpayer dollars!

[Anonymous]

Sincerely hope OP is unable to reproduce.

[Anonymous]

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Luckily for you there are many countries in this world and you are free to live in one that suits your fancy better.

Not sure how "don't marry a gay person if you aren't gay" is analogous to "don't pay taxes" but ... Whatever you say. I'm sure our country would be super amazing if no one went to school.

There are thankfully many countries in this world. If Hillary wins, I'm moving to Russia, Hungary, or Northern Ireland.

Um, Russia has free public school AND free college (for those who pass entrance exams), as well as free basic health care. Dont know about the other two.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:Anyone on this forum who knows anything about Hungary, Russia, or Northern Ireland? In one sense, I think Northern Ireland would be the best fit for me because they speak English, and abortion/gay marriage are totally illegal. However, social Liberalism seems like it's starting to infect Northern Ireland. Hungary and Russia are both anti-gay/abortion. Hungarys stance on illegal immigration is very good. The issue with those 2 is that I'd have to learn a new language.

It seems kind of silly to write off a country you like, just because you would have to learn a new language. That said, Northern Ireland is 40% Catholic, and Catholics are very progressive on welfare and poverty. So social liberalism has always been there.

And honestly it boggles the mind why you would pick a country based on their abortion/gay rights laws. i thought the whole prepper thing is not giving a shit what other people are doing as long as you can do what you need to do.

But if you want english speaking, anti-abortion, and anti-gay, there should be a good selection of African countries to fit the bill. For instance, Kenya speaks English, outlaws abortion except in the most extreme conditions (similar to Northern Ireland) and puts gay people in prison. You would have to live with black people, but then again you didn't raise that as an issue.

I believe his "prep" refers to prep school. He is in high school.

He is in high school, but the "prep" is because he longs for a world where everyone wears blazers and khakis.

i assume he is a prepper.

You're wrong. He has spent a lot of time here. The "prep" is for preppy, not prepper. Actual preppers would eat this kid alive.

[Anonymous]

If you don't want to live in a civilized society, then leave the US. Or go off the grid and live in a shack in the woods. Enjoy!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:Anyone on this forum who knows anything about Hungary, Russia, or Northern Ireland? In one sense, I think Northern Ireland would be the best fit for me because they speak English, and abortion/gay marriage are totally illegal. However, social Liberalism seems like it's starting to infect Northern Ireland. Hungary and Russia are both anti-gay/abortion. Hungarys stance on illegal immigration is very good. The issue with those 2 is that I'd have to learn a new language.

Learn Hungarian? Good one. You are better crossing Hungary off now.

+1. Hungary already has enough right-wing nutjobs who are running the country into the ground - they really don't need any more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:Anyone on this forum who knows anything about Hungary, Russia, or Northern Ireland? In one sense, I think Northern Ireland would be the best fit for me because they speak English, and abortion/gay marriage are totally illegal. However, social Liberalism seems like it's starting to infect Northern Ireland. Hungary and Russia are both anti-gay/abortion. Hungarys stance on illegal immigration is very good. The issue with those 2 is that I'd have to learn a new language.

Learn Hungarian? Good one. You are better crossing Hungary off now.

+1. Hungary already has enough right-wing nutjobs who are running the country into the ground - they really don't need any more.

Northern Ireland is gross and dangerous. Enjoy!

[Anonymous]

PaleoConPrep wrote:When I talk to Liberals about gay marriage and abortion they often say " If you don't support gay marriage, don't marry a man" and " if you don't support abortion, date a woman who doesn't support abortion" So if truth is relative, and it's all about what we "want", why should I pay for
1. Welfare ( food stamps, Section 8 Housing, etc)
AND
Public schools and universities.
I DONT WANT to pay for these. Here's what I'll say. If you want public education and welfare, personally donate your money to the government, so they can specifically use it on this. You have NO RIGHT to use my money for these things.

I suppose you also don't want paved roads to drive on, or a police force to protect your neighborhood?