Current MCPS language immersion programs are incredibly classist

[Anonymous]

"Re postcard expense -- there are 357,000+ households in MOCO. Postcards cost about 40 cents just to mail not to mention the cost of printing, addressing and staff time to prepare. as A frame of reference annual births in the county are about 13,000, so the cohort of kids entering K in any one year is a small fraction of the total number of households. Mailing every single MOCO household doesn't seem like a very efficient use of funds."

Fine - so switch the registration date & the lottery dates then so you capture in the info outreach the vast majority of families registering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Re postcard expense -- there are 357,000+ households in MOCO. Postcards cost about 40 cents just to mail not to mention the cost of printing, addressing and staff time to prepare. as A frame of reference annual births in the county are about 13,000, so the cohort of kids entering K in any one year is a small fraction of the total number of households. Mailing every single MOCO household doesn't seem like a very efficient use of funds."

Fine - so switch the registration date & the lottery dates then so you capture in the info outreach the vast majority of families registering.

To when?

[Anonymous]

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Not PP but I have to wonder is it fair that the quality of education is based on a lottery? That seems to be the case in some areas of the county. If someone from a W cluster applies but does not get in they still get to go to their sought after school. In other clusters, like the one PP is referring to if families do not get in the lottery, their essentially stuck with a substandard school. Yes, they can move if they can afford it but that's not an option in a lot of cases. I don't have a solution, but it seems like a question worth asking. And no, I don't think they should get rid of the immersion programs.

It's a lot fairer than the way quality of education generally seems to be determined, at least in DCUM's opinion, namely: by parents' income.

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Yeah you imagine too much... Just like you imagine everyone in immersion is rich and white. When we are right here in front of you. Why is a single parent assumed to be more busy than a two parent family? "I have so many advantages... Blah blah". Get over yourself , you don't give a damn about non English speakers Nd their internet access.

At Rolling Terrace ES, for example!

Nope, full of minorities. Half the people at rolling terrace immersion come from Spanish backgrounds...

Actually, Latin American backgrounds. Central American, to be specific. Few if any Spaniards at Rolling Terrace.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.... The majority of the people with Latin American backgrounds in the Immersion program are not central american. I actually know of 1. The rest are from South American, the Caribbean and Spain. There are a significant # of families who have ancestry from Spain. Hint: you realize you can't just look at people and tell their background you might actually have to talk and get to know them and you might be surprised.

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Fluent speaking sure. Can the non-immersion RTES kids _read_ in Spanish. If they can it's not learned at school, and A good portion of the low-income parents can't read in their native language.

What is the source of your information?

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Wrong, wrong, wrong.... The majority of the people with Latin American backgrounds in the Immersion program are not central american. I actually know of 1. The rest are from South American, the Caribbean and Spain. There are a significant # of families who have ancestry from Spain. Hint: you realize you can't just look at people and tell their background you might actually have to talk and get to know them and you might be surprised.

There are a lot of families at Rolling Terrace ES who are from Spain?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Re postcard expense -- there are 357,000+ households in MOCO. Postcards cost about 40 cents just to mail not to mention the cost of printing, addressing and staff time to prepare. as A frame of reference annual births in the county are about 13,000, so the cohort of kids entering K in any one year is a small fraction of the total number of households. Mailing every single MOCO household doesn't seem like a very efficient use of funds."

Fine - so switch the registration date & the lottery dates then so you capture in the info outreach the vast majority of families registering.

When you are sending out 357,000 post cards you pay a bulk rate which is much less. They don;t have to lick stamps like individuals do either..

[Anonymous]

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Yeah you imagine too much... Just like you imagine everyone in immersion is rich and white. When we are right here in front of you. Why is a single parent assumed to be more busy than a two parent family? "I have so many advantages... Blah blah". Get over yourself , you don't give a damn about non English speakers Nd their internet access.

At Rolling Terrace ES, for example!

Nope, full of minorities. Half the people at rolling terrace immersion come from Spanish backgrounds...

But two-thirds of the students at Rolling Terrace overall are Hispanic! This is clear proof that immersion programs are for the one percent.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/02771.pdf

Obviously

By now, no one doubts OP is literally nuts.

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Yeah you imagine too much... Just like you imagine everyone in immersion is rich and white. When we are right here in front of you. Why is a single parent assumed to be more busy than a two parent family? "I have so many advantages... Blah blah". Get over yourself , you don't give a damn about non English speakers Nd their internet access.

At Rolling Terrace ES, for example!

Nope, full of minorities. Half the people at rolling terrace immersion come from Spanish backgrounds...

But two-thirds of the students at Rolling Terrace overall are Hispanic! This is clear proof that immersion programs are for the one percent.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/02771.pdf

First it's all white, then it's conceded that maybe that's not true after someone whose kid attends the school counters the argument, finally half Hispanic ( not even counting other groups isn't good enough...

Ever thought that many of the families don't need immersion because their children are already fluent..

Fluent speaking sure. Can the non-immersion RTES kids _read_ in Spanish. If they can it's not learned at school, and A good portion of the low-income parents can't read in their native language.

How in the world do you know this?!?! If most low-income parents can't read Spanish what would be the point of translating all communication in Spanish. Most of them do READ Spanish. Many of the kids do read Spanish. Many American kids can't read English yet. Whats the point?

Furthermore, the Immersion program doesn't really teach reading and writing in Spanish at least at Rolling Terrace and Burnt Mills. Its teaching fluency. So what you have stated is irrelevant. I'm not sure how it works at Rock Creek Forest.

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Wrong, wrong, wrong.... The majority of the people with Latin American backgrounds in the Immersion program are not central american. I actually know of 1. The rest are from South American, the Caribbean and Spain. There are a significant # of families who have ancestry from Spain. Hint: you realize you can't just look at people and tell their background you might actually have to talk and get to know them and you might be surprised.

There are a lot of families at Rolling Terrace ES who are from Spain?

Not saying they are the majority by any means but I know of several families that are from Spainish (Europe) background.

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Anonymous wrote:"Re postcard expense -- there are 357,000+ households in MOCO. Postcards cost about 40 cents just to mail not to mention the cost of printing, addressing and staff time to prepare. as A frame of reference annual births in the county are about 13,000, so the cohort of kids entering K in any one year is a small fraction of the total number of households. Mailing every single MOCO household doesn't seem like a very efficient use of funds."

Fine - so switch the registration date & the lottery dates then so you capture in the info outreach the vast majority of families registering.

When you are sending out 357,000 post cards you pay a bulk rate which is much less. They don;t have to lick stamps like individuals do either..

Yes, between 26 cents and 29 cents per card.

http://pe.usps.com/cpim/ftp/manuals/dmm300/Notice123.pdf

That's still a minimum of $100,000 just for mailing. Is it worth it? I guess that OP would say yes.

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Wrong, wrong, wrong.... The majority of the people with Latin American backgrounds in the Immersion program are not central american. I actually know of 1. The rest are from South American, the Caribbean and Spain. There are a significant # of families who have ancestry from Spain. Hint: you realize you can't just look at people and tell their background you might actually have to talk and get to know them and you might be surprised.

There are a lot of families at Rolling Terrace ES who are from Spain?

Not saying they are the majority by any means but I know of several families that are from Spainish (Europe) background.

First you say "a significant number", then you say "several". Also, what does "Spanish background" mean? Are they actually from Spain, or are they from somewhere else?

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Wrong, wrong, wrong.... The majority of the people with Latin American backgrounds in the Immersion program are not central american. I actually know of 1. The rest are from South American, the Caribbean and Spain. There are a significant # of families who have ancestry from Spain. Hint: you realize you can't just look at people and tell their background you might actually have to talk and get to know them and you might be surprised.

There are a lot of families at Rolling Terrace ES who are from Spain?

Not saying they are the majority by any means but I know of several families that are from Spainish (Europe) background.

First you say "a significant number", then you say "several". Also, what does "Spanish background" mean? Are they actually from Spain, or are they from somewhere else?

Did you now see the (Europe) part?

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Wrong, wrong, wrong.... The majority of the people with Latin American backgrounds in the Immersion program are not central american. I actually know of 1. The rest are from South American, the Caribbean and Spain. There are a significant # of families who have ancestry from Spain. Hint: you realize you can't just look at people and tell their background you might actually have to talk and get to know them and you might be surprised.

There are a lot of families at Rolling Terrace ES who are from Spain?

Not saying they are the majority by any means but I know of several families that are from Spainish (Europe) background.

First you say "a significant number", then you say "several". Also, what does "Spanish background" mean? Are they actually from Spain, or are they from somewhere else?

Did you now see the (Europe) part?

Er.. Did you not see the (Europe) part?

[Anonymous]

"Anonymous wrote:
"Re postcard expense -- there are 357,000+ households in MOCO. Postcards cost about 40 cents just to mail not to mention the cost of printing, addressing and staff time to prepare. as A frame of reference annual births in the county are about 13,000, so the cohort of kids entering K in any one year is a small fraction of the total number of households. Mailing every single MOCO household doesn't seem like a very efficient use of funds."

Fine - so switch the registration date & the lottery dates then so you capture in the info outreach the vast majority of families registering.

To when?"

Whenever works for lottery planning timing but so that the sequencing is: first general registration period for school which is widely advertized as is now the case and then as part of that allow parents to designate if they want to submit for the lottery as one of the forms/boxes they fill out during that process.

This is not a cure-all as I still think that bestowing such HUGE benefits on a very few lucky families is not right but it at least improves the odds that everyone has a more equal shot at winning that extremely large pay-off.