Cop Suspended After Video Emerges Of Brutal Arrests At Teen Pool Party (In McKinney Texas)

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Anonymous wrote:And all of the three pages of this thread justifies the cop's behavior? SMH

We are just supposed to lay down and take it? Black and brown folks still get killed obeying orders.

This cop is disgusting and wrong no matter how you slice it. Running after people and tackling them? Drawing his gun? That's not the way to break up a party.

Unless you are "brown," please shut up and stop pretending you care about us. My kids don't trespass other people's properties, nor do they act as smart asses when dealing with older neighbors or with the police.

(And, yes, that policeman has been rightly suspended for his overreaction, but the root of the problem was the teenagers' bahavior, not his)

I agree, yelling and arguing with police like that. I would punish my kids for that behavior.

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Let's see. How about when kids in McLean or Potomac TRESPASS in peoples homes to have crazy parties. Do you think the police would break up THEIR party like that? I think NOT. The disturbing part of this conversation is that black teens can't be teens and have to walk through society under a microscope. IT IS NOT FAIR and they are getting sick of it.

Since when is organizing trespassing events at other people's places the same as a kid having a party when the parents are out of town.

It's EXACTLY the same thing - are you obtuse?

[Anonymous]

So many PPs keep focusing on the fact that there were kids who were invited and kids who jumped the fence that weren't supposed to be there. I don't think anyone disputes that, but the fact is that the Black kids were the ones who were assumed by the cops to be trespassers. The racist officer purposefully targeted and berated all of the Black kids while all of the White people just stood and watched. A White child even filmed the whole thing without interference, but once the Black girl pulled out her camera, she was accosted by the officer.

How did the police know who actually "belonged" to that community?

And as has been since reported, there was a Black girl who did live there and threw the party and was berated by a White woman and accused of belonging to Section 8 housing because she was Black.

Whether or not the Black children were invited or crashed, it was clear from the actions of the racist police officer that they didnt belong there because they were Black.

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Anonymous wrote:It appears to me that there issues on both sides.

Some of the black teens were uninvited guests at a private pool. The white lady and police officer behaved very badly. Both sides were wrong.

However, I didn't really see the other cops doing much of anything to diffuse the situation and I did see teens swarming all around the area. I heard them being asked by the officer to 'sit on the ground until they get to the bottom of this.' That is a reasonable request no matter what color you are. Why did they not do this? Is the officer expected to leave unruly teens swarm around and out of sight? His first priority is to defend and protect himself. Those 2 boys came at him when his back was turned. I can't hear what they may have said to provoke the reaction of him unholstering his weapon.

There are too many missing facts here to pass judgement. However calling this an act of racism is jumping the gun a tad too quickly. Not every incident involving white cops and black people is racism.

I think that the reaction of the other officers - to immediately intervene when he pulled his weapon - speaks to how inappropriate his response was.

I also think that the stated details from bystanders that only the black and Hispanic teenagers were asked to sit down speaks to the racism at play.

And what he did to that girl was completely uncalled for. An unarmed minor female in a bathing suit, grabbed by the hair, face smashed into the grass and held down by an adult male with a gun. There is no universe in which that is okay, no matter what she said.

PP here. I fully agree with this statement no matter what the color of the participants are. I wouldn't agree with it if it were a black cop and a black teen. She was unarmed and shouldn't have been manhandled AT ALL. But she was resisting arrest. Are you saying the cop should have left her go after she resisted? Are you saying it's ok for her to disrespect the authority of the police by mouthing off because you're being run off from somewhere you shouldn't have been? I'm not trying to start a fight. I'm genuinely curious how you think this cop should have handled this situation?

And I'm pretty sure I read something on buzzfeed about a white girl being handcuffed.

"Stone told BuzzFeed News that when she approached the officers to explain what had happened in the pool the cop featured in the video ordered that she be handcuffed. “I asked why I was in handcuffs and he wouldn’t tell me,” she said, adding that she was the only white person handcuffed."

http://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/texas-police-officer-suspended-after-pulling-weapon-on-teens#.miPxgYZogj

I think it's incredibly pertinent that the only White person to be handcuffed was only cuffed after questioning the police's treatment of the Black teens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And all of the three pages of this thread justifies the cop's behavior? SMH

We are just supposed to lay down and take it? Black and brown folks still get killed obeying orders.

This cop is disgusting and wrong no matter how you slice it. Running after people and tackling them? Drawing his gun? That's not the way to break up a party.

Unless you are "brown," please shut up and stop pretending you care about us. My kids don't trespass other people's properties, nor do they act as smart asses when dealing with older neighbors or with the police.

(And, yes, that policeman has been rightly suspended for his overreaction, but the root of the problem was the teenagers' bahavior, not his)

I agree, yelling and arguing with police like that. I would punish my kids for that behavior.

+1000

Let's see. How about when kids in McLean or Potomac TRESPASS in peoples homes to have crazy parties. Do you think the police would break up THEIR party like that? I think NOT. The disturbing part of this conversation is that black teens can't be teens and have to walk through society under a microscope. IT IS NOT FAIR and they are getting sick of it.

Since when is organizing trespassing events at other people's places the same as a kid having a party when the parents are out of town.

It's EXACTLY the same thing - are you obtuse?

It would be if the party was at another person's house without invite but it is at the house of the children of the owners. Make all the excuses you want but you need to teach your kids that they can face repercussions if they do something wrong. It's always, NO NO NO My baby would never do that, he's a good kid ....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many PPs keep focusing on the fact that there were kids who were invited and kids who jumped the fence that weren't supposed to be there. I don't think anyone disputes that, but the fact is that the Black kids were the ones who were assumed by the cops to be trespassers. The racist officer purposefully targeted and berated all of the Black kids while all of the White people just stood and watched. A White child even filmed the whole thing without interference, but once the Black girl pulled out her camera, she was accosted by the officer.

How did the police know who actually "belonged" to that community?

And as has been since reported, there was a Black girl who did live there and threw the party and was berated by a White woman and accused of belonging to Section 8 housing because she was Black.

Whether or not the Black children were invited or crashed, it was clear from the actions of the racist police officer that they didnt belong there because they were Black.

The call came in saying the perps were all AA.

[Anonymous]

""They were trying to make us leave, but if we ran, they'd chase after us, and if we stayed, then they'd arrest us," Bakari said."

What year is this? Geez.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many PPs keep focusing on the fact that there were kids who were invited and kids who jumped the fence that weren't supposed to be there. I don't think anyone disputes that, but the fact is that the Black kids were the ones who were assumed by the cops to be trespassers. The racist officer purposefully targeted and berated all of the Black kids while all of the White people just stood and watched. A White child even filmed the whole thing without interference, but once the Black girl pulled out her camera, she was accosted by the officer.

How did the police know who actually "belonged" to that community?

And as has been since reported, there was a Black girl who did live there and threw the party and was berated by a White woman and accused of belonging to Section 8 housing because she was Black.

Whether or not the Black children were invited or crashed, it was clear from the actions of the racist police officer that they didnt belong there because they were Black.

The call came in saying the perps were all AA.

Yep, because the caller was racist. She saw Black people there and assumed they didnt belong to her exclusive neighborhood. The officers should have been more responsible when they responded.

It's like when a friend of mine moved into an all white neighborhood and the neighbors called the cops on him and said he was suspicious- the responding officer had the good sense to treat him with dignity and not just throw the cuffs on and ask questions later.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if it has gotten to the point where black cops should always take the lead in responding to crimes involving blacks. Like female officers are the only ones allowed to search female suspects & often required to transport one. At least then race could be taken out of the equation since that is always the first thing anyone looks at.


Maybe black citizens that have had special training can volunteer to ride along with white cops, since there probably aren't enough black cops to response to all the calls.

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The cops (white) were there to protect the neighbors (white) from the thugs-in-the-making (black).

Are you saying that cops should be asking for the demographic characteristics of the OFFENDERS before deciding whom to send? What if among the offenders there's a black woman, a transgender, a Jesuit priest and a Frenchman?

LMAO! I'm laughing, but it's really sad that our world has come to this!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those kids had no right to be there-they were uninvited and many were hopping the fence and causing trouble. The officer was having trouble controlling this "mob" of kids and he got carried away. The kids should have sat down as instructed, not "mouthed off". and shown respect. Regardless of race, kids need to learn to follow rules. None of this would have happened if rules were followed. I wonder how many of you would be outraged if a mob of black kids from SE or PG hopped the fence at your fancy HOA pool, community pool (where you pay high membership dues) or private country club and started trouble-this is about a pack of unruly kids not abiding by rules and laws. As usual, it has been turned into a race issue!

Screaming "call my mother" is mouthing off? Funny he did not tackle any of the white kids milling around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Listen, SOME of the teens shoud not have done what they did (some had legit guest passses), but there are a few questions that need to be asked:

1. One of the witnesses, who was a White teen said that the parents and the cops did not hassle anyone who was not AA or Latino, but yet some of the teen "crashers" were White.

2. Will the White women who started the physical altercation be prosecuted?

3. Many of the teens said the were trying to leave but many were waiting for rides to arrive. They told the police this but were still told to disperse. Where were they going to go?

4. Why did the police allow civilians to assist in subduing the teens? There is a White fat guy who was "helping" the police to physically restrain Black kids.

5. Why did this cop lose his min when the other cops were calmer and more in control?

Spot on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Until you have experienced Black Spring Break or a House Party in your neighborhood, you cannot possibly understand any of this.

WTF does this mean?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It appears to me that there issues on both sides.

Some of the black teens were uninvited guests at a private pool. The white lady and police officer behaved very badly. Both sides were wrong.

However, I didn't really see the other cops doing much of anything to diffuse the situation and I did see teens swarming all around the area. I heard them being asked by the officer to 'sit on the ground until they get to the bottom of this.' That is a reasonable request no matter what color you are. Why did they not do this? Is the officer expected to leave unruly teens swarm around and out of sight? His first priority is to defend and protect himself. Those 2 boys came at him when his back was turned. I can't hear what they may have said to provoke the reaction of him unholstering his weapon.

There are too many missing facts here to pass judgement. However calling this an act of racism is jumping the gun a tad too quickly. Not every incident involving white cops and black people is racism.

You know, I'd like to think that if I had done nothing wrong, and a cop insisted that I sit on the ground until they got to the bottom of things, I'd have the courage to say, "Am I being detained?" and insist that he be clear, one way or another, if he has the grounds to detain me. But black kids don't have that right, do they? If I had a black son, I'd never encourage him to exercise his 5th amendment right to ask if he is being detained, or be able to leave, because he'd probably end up dead.

http://www.browarddefender.org/page3.html

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I favor putting more public parks and water parks in rich people's neighborhoods. It is a check on racism.

I bet there are public pools in those areas just like there are around here But that's not going to be as fun as crashing a private pool.

This is all beside the point. These are young teens and as far as I know, trespassing, which HAS NOT been proven yet, doesn't and shouldn't result in this kind of,police behavior.

Why on earth do we not expect more from our polIce force?

What pool, country club or HOA do you belong to? Please invite 50+ unruly, underprivileged teens to your pool, some may need to jump the fence, but that's ok! Just try it as an experiment-find a tough HS in SE or PG-put up fancy fliers and just let them come-it should be fun! Let us all know how it goes! and do tell how your neighbors react......

who has proven who says they were unruly OR underprivileged?

[Anonymous]

This is the best comment from the link OP posted:

The recurring theme with many police departments and incidents like this is the lack of professional self control resulting in ESCALATION, instead of deescalation, of events.

This video makes for a great training film, it shows very clearly how just one unprofessional officer can spiral UP an incident when all officers should be trying to deescalate it.

This young Corporal appears to be the on scene commander and ranking officer. Instead of commanding the scene and DIRECTING the other officers, he's running around COMPLETELY out of control. He reminds me of a dog so overwhelmed by passing cars he doesn't know which one to chase. It's HIS actions that caused kids to rush toward him...and then he pulls his weapon? There is so much wrong with his behavior that I can't possibly cover it all here. His handling of this young lady is completely unprofessional AND unnecessary. The fact that he's the only person (civilian or law enforcement) who's yelling seems to be completely lost on him.

Watching the other officers I don't see any of them out of control, to the contrary, nearly all have defused their scenes while the actions of ONE COP nearly gets someone killed. And that one cop is the one in charge...American policing is in bad shape.

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Anonymous wrote:, the 15-year-old who shot the YouTube video, told BuzzFeed News many students had arrived at the end-of-school celebration at the pool on guest passes. Some had also jumped over the fence.


When you have kids jumping the fence, who do NOT live there, who are NOT authorized to be there, you are going to have trouble. I also read that one of the kids was passing their guest pass through the fence and they were repeating this to get multiple unauthorized/uninvited kids in.

Perhaps we should just look the other way at such behaviors-these "poor little kids" deserve to goo swimming on a hot day too afterall. Next party will be at Kenwood County Club pool-I have seen the fliers all over SE DC-they will be climbing your fence on July 4th! Have fun!

It is helpful to understand why the police were there. It is NOT OK to use this kind of force when detaining them. The officer was *pissed* because as he put it he had to run on a hot day with 30 lbs of gear to chase some kids down. Was it right for the kids to jump the fence? No. Could the situation have been handled better? Yes. There were other cops there that recognized pulling your gun out was not the right thing to do. This one guy seemed to be a bit of a hot head and needs training on how to diffuse situations. There was another officer there who was able to better handle the crowd (you can see him at the beginning).

On the side note, the womans comments at the pool were disgusting, even if they jumped the fence. There are better ways to communicate that they shouldn't be jumping the fence. Maybe more people should be sharing her picture with a meme of what she said!

The white woman had words with the party promoter from what I understand-who was the 19 year old. The white woman made some racist comments and the 19 year old got into a physical altercation with her. Though I could be wrong-I assume the white woman lived there and was annoyed that a mob of uninvited, unattended and unruly black kids overtook the pool, and made the statement that they should go party over at their section 8 housing. Not nice, and perhaps she should have shut up and just called the police. The kids should have left immediately, since the majority (if not all) were not legitimately there, and they should not have been confrontational. If you tresspass somewhere, it is stupid to make a scene. Of course now it is a race thing-but this is a simple case of idiot teens acting badly (and one stupid cop on a power trip).

So you assume the white woman lived there but the black woman did not and that it was the black girl who initiated the physical altercation. OKAY!