Cop Suspended After Video Emerges Of Brutal Arrests At Teen Pool Party (In McKinney Texas)

[Anonymous]

Until you have experienced Black Spring Break or a House Party in your neighborhood, you cannot possibly understand any of this.

[Anonymous]

Right, because white kids have never been known to sneak into a pool. Never!!

Seriously, with the hijinks my (white, middle class) brothers got up to as teens, I shudder to think what would have happened if they were black.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It appears to me that there issues on both sides.

Some of the black teens were uninvited guests at a private pool. The white lady and police officer behaved very badly. Both sides were wrong.

However, I didn't really see the other cops doing much of anything to diffuse the situation and I did see teens swarming all around the area. I heard them being asked by the officer to 'sit on the ground until they get to the bottom of this.' That is a reasonable request no matter what color you are. Why did they not do this? Is the officer expected to leave unruly teens swarm around and out of sight? His first priority is to defend and protect himself. Those 2 boys came at him when his back was turned. I can't hear what they may have said to provoke the reaction of him unholstering his weapon.

There are too many missing facts here to pass judgement. However calling this an act of racism is jumping the gun a tad too quickly. Not every incident involving white cops and black people is racism.

The problem is that this incident didn't happen in a vacuum. Consistently we see that incidents involving white perpetrators (college kids rioting over pumpkins in New Hampshire, Hell's Angels getting into a shootout with police a few weeks ago) are diffused without police violence, but incidents involving black perpetrators end with dead kids much more often.

So, no, we can't look into that particular officer's heart and know whether he is a racist. But he's part of an institution that consistently acts in a racist manner. You don't have to take my word for it. http://www.propublica.org/article/deadly-force-in-black-and-white?utm_source=et&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dailynewsletter

"Young black males in recent years were at a far greater risk of being shot dead by police than their white counterparts – 21 times greater i, according to a ProPublica analysis of federally collected data on fatal police shootings."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It appears to me that there issues on both sides.

Some of the black teens were uninvited guests at a private pool. The white lady and police officer behaved very badly. Both sides were wrong.

However, I didn't really see the other cops doing much of anything to diffuse the situation and I did see teens swarming all around the area. I heard them being asked by the officer to 'sit on the ground until they get to the bottom of this.' That is a reasonable request no matter what color you are. Why did they not do this? Is the officer expected to leave unruly teens swarm around and out of sight? His first priority is to defend and protect himself. Those 2 boys came at him when his back was turned. I can't hear what they may have said to provoke the reaction of him unholstering his weapon.

There are too many missing facts here to pass judgement. However calling this an act of racism is jumping the gun a tad too quickly. Not every incident involving white cops and black people is racism.

I think that the reaction of the other officers - to immediately intervene when he pulled his weapon - speaks to how inappropriate his response was.

I also think that the stated details from bystanders that only the black and Hispanic teenagers were asked to sit down speaks to the racism at play.

And what he did to that girl was completely uncalled for. An unarmed minor female in a bathing suit, grabbed by the hair, face smashed into the grass and held down by an adult male with a gun. There is no universe in which that is okay, no matter what she said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It appears to me that there issues on both sides.

Some of the black teens were uninvited guests at a private pool. The white lady and police officer behaved very badly. Both sides were wrong.

However, I didn't really see the other cops doing much of anything to diffuse the situation and I did see teens swarming all around the area. I heard them being asked by the officer to 'sit on the ground until they get to the bottom of this.' That is a reasonable request no matter what color you are. Why did they not do this? Is the officer expected to leave unruly teens swarm around and out of sight? His first priority is to defend and protect himself. Those 2 boys came at him when his back was turned. I can't hear what they may have said to provoke the reaction of him unholstering his weapon.

There are too many missing facts here to pass judgement. However calling this an act of racism is jumping the gun a tad too quickly. Not every incident involving white cops and black people is racism.

I think that the reaction of the other officers - to immediately intervene when he pulled his weapon - speaks to how inappropriate his response was.

I also think that the stated details from bystanders that only the black and Hispanic teenagers were asked to sit down speaks to the racism at play.

And what he did to that girl was completely uncalled for. An unarmed minor female in a bathing suit, grabbed by the hair, face smashed into the grass and held down by an adult male with a gun. There is no universe in which that is okay, no matter what she said.

Exactly. And considering she has been told to leave by this officer and was doing so at the time. Yes, she may have been mouthy, but he had to CHASE after her to get her AFTER he told her to leave. He just didn't like being back talked to. Unacceptable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It appears to me that there issues on both sides.

Some of the black teens were uninvited guests at a private pool. The white lady and police officer behaved very badly. Both sides were wrong.

However, I didn't really see the other cops doing much of anything to diffuse the situation and I did see teens swarming all around the area. I heard them being asked by the officer to 'sit on the ground until they get to the bottom of this.' That is a reasonable request no matter what color you are. Why did they not do this? Is the officer expected to leave unruly teens swarm around and out of sight? His first priority is to defend and protect himself. Those 2 boys came at him when his back was turned. I can't hear what they may have said to provoke the reaction of him unholstering his weapon.

There are too many missing facts here to pass judgement. However calling this an act of racism is jumping the gun a tad too quickly. Not every incident involving white cops and black people is racism.

You know, I'd like to think that if I had done nothing wrong, and a cop insisted that I sit on the ground until they got to the bottom of things, I'd have the courage to say, "Am I being detained?" and insist that he be clear, one way or another, if he has the grounds to detain me. But black kids don't have that right, do they? If I had a black son, I'd never encourage him to exercise his 5th amendment right to ask if he is being detained, or be able to leave, because he'd probably end up dead.

http://www.browarddefender.org/page3.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if it has gotten to the point where black cops should always take the lead in responding to crimes involving blacks. Like female officers are the only ones allowed to search female suspects & often required to transport one. At least then race could be taken out of the equation since that is always the first thing anyone looks at.


Maybe black citizens that have had special training can volunteer to ride along with white cops, since there probably aren't enough black cops to response to all the calls.

??

The cops (white) were there to protect the neighbors (white) from the thugs-in-the-making (black).

Are you saying that cops should be asking for the demographic characteristics of the OFFENDERS before deciding whom to send? What if among the offenders there's a black woman, a transgender, a Jesuit priest and a Frenchman?

If you call 911 regarding an incident with another person one of the first questions they ask is, "Is the person white, hispanic, or African-American?"

Just a guess, but I would imagine that, in trying to identify an individual, a description would be legitimate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It appears to me that there issues on both sides.

Some of the black teens were uninvited guests at a private pool. The white lady and police officer behaved very badly. Both sides were wrong.

However, I didn't really see the other cops doing much of anything to diffuse the situation and I did see teens swarming all around the area. I heard them being asked by the officer to 'sit on the ground until they get to the bottom of this.' That is a reasonable request no matter what color you are. Why did they not do this? Is the officer expected to leave unruly teens swarm around and out of sight? His first priority is to defend and protect himself. Those 2 boys came at him when his back was turned. I can't hear what they may have said to provoke the reaction of him unholstering his weapon.

There are too many missing facts here to pass judgement. However calling this an act of racism is jumping the gun a tad too quickly. Not every incident involving white cops and black people is racism.

I think that the reaction of the other officers - to immediately intervene when he pulled his weapon - speaks to how inappropriate his response was.

I also think that the stated details from bystanders that only the black and Hispanic teenagers were asked to sit down speaks to the racism at play.

And what he did to that girl was completely uncalled for. An unarmed minor female in a bathing suit, grabbed by the hair, face smashed into the grass and held down by an adult male with a gun. There is no universe in which that is okay, no matter what she said.

PP here. I fully agree with this statement no matter what the color of the participants are. I wouldn't agree with it if it were a black cop and a black teen. She was unarmed and shouldn't have been manhandled AT ALL. But she was resisting arrest. Are you saying the cop should have left her go after she resisted? Are you saying it's ok for her to disrespect the authority of the police by mouthing off because you're being run off from somewhere you shouldn't have been? I'm not trying to start a fight. I'm genuinely curious how you think this cop should have handled this situation?

And I'm pretty sure I read something on buzzfeed about a white girl being handcuffed.

"Stone told BuzzFeed News that when she approached the officers to explain what had happened in the pool the cop featured in the video ordered that she be handcuffed. “I asked why I was in handcuffs and he wouldn’t tell me,” she said, adding that she was the only white person handcuffed."

http://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/texas-police-officer-suspended-after-pulling-weapon-on-teens#.miPxgYZogj

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It appears to me that there issues on both sides.

Some of the black teens were uninvited guests at a private pool. The white lady and police officer behaved very badly. Both sides were wrong.

However, I didn't really see the other cops doing much of anything to diffuse the situation and I did see teens swarming all around the area. I heard them being asked by the officer to 'sit on the ground until they get to the bottom of this.' That is a reasonable request no matter what color you are. Why did they not do this? Is the officer expected to leave unruly teens swarm around and out of sight? His first priority is to defend and protect himself. Those 2 boys came at him when his back was turned. I can't hear what they may have said to provoke the reaction of him unholstering his weapon.

There are too many missing facts here to pass judgement. However calling this an act of racism is jumping the gun a tad too quickly. Not every incident involving white cops and black people is racism.

You know, I'd like to think that if I had done nothing wrong, and a cop insisted that I sit on the ground until they got to the bottom of things, I'd have the courage to say, "Am I being detained?" and insist that he be clear, one way or another, if he has the grounds to detain me. But black kids don't have that right, do they? If I had a black son, I'd never encourage him to exercise his 5th amendment right to ask if he is being detained, or be able to leave, because he'd probably end up dead.

http://www.browarddefender.org/page3.html

I missed the kids being killed part

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And all of the three pages of this thread justifies the cop's behavior? SMH

We are just supposed to lay down and take it? Black and brown folks still get killed obeying orders.

This cop is disgusting and wrong no matter how you slice it. Running after people and tackling them? Drawing his gun? That's not the way to break up a party.

Unless you are "brown," please shut up and stop pretending you care about us. My kids don't trespass other people's properties, nor do they act as smart asses when dealing with older neighbors or with the police.

(And, yes, that policeman has been rightly suspended for his overreaction, but the root of the problem was the teenagers' bahavior, not his)

I agree, yelling and arguing with police like that. I would punish my kids for that behavior.

+1000

Let's see. How about when kids in McLean or Potomac TRESPASS in peoples homes to have crazy parties. Do you think the police would break up THEIR party like that? I think NOT. The disturbing part of this conversation is that black teens can't be teens and have to walk through society under a microscope. IT IS NOT FAIR and they are getting sick of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Right, because white kids have never been known to sneak into a pool. Never!!

Seriously, with the hijinks my (white, middle class) brothers got up to as teens, I shudder to think what would have happened if they were black.

You guys stormed a pool in broad daylight, cops getting called and attempted to flee? Sorry that is completely different than skinny dipping at night with a few friends at the community pool. In fact when I grew up the cops did get called on a group of high schoolers who snuck into a pool, they were arrested without incident and had to do community service. They didn't resist or mouth off when caught because they understood the repercussions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It appears to me that there issues on both sides.

Some of the black teens were uninvited guests at a private pool. The white lady and police officer behaved very badly. Both sides were wrong.

However, I didn't really see the other cops doing much of anything to diffuse the situation and I did see teens swarming all around the area. I heard them being asked by the officer to 'sit on the ground until they get to the bottom of this.' That is a reasonable request no matter what color you are. Why did they not do this? Is the officer expected to leave unruly teens swarm around and out of sight? His first priority is to defend and protect himself. Those 2 boys came at him when his back was turned. I can't hear what they may have said to provoke the reaction of him unholstering his weapon.

There are too many missing facts here to pass judgement. However calling this an act of racism is jumping the gun a tad too quickly. Not every incident involving white cops and black people is racism.

+1. You are right.

And of course some people will make up a dozen reasons why you aren't...so no surprise those teenagers behaved like that, if they have parents like some of the ones in this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And all of the three pages of this thread justifies the cop's behavior? SMH

We are just supposed to lay down and take it? Black and brown folks still get killed obeying orders.

This cop is disgusting and wrong no matter how you slice it. Running after people and tackling them? Drawing his gun? That's not the way to break up a party.

Unless you are "brown," please shut up and stop pretending you care about us. My kids don't trespass other people's properties, nor do they act as smart asses when dealing with older neighbors or with the police.

(And, yes, that policeman has been rightly suspended for his overreaction, but the root of the problem was the teenagers' bahavior, not his)

I agree, yelling and arguing with police like that. I would punish my kids for that behavior.

+1000

Let's see. How about when kids in McLean or Potomac TRESPASS in peoples homes to have crazy parties. Do you think the police would break up THEIR party like that? I think NOT. The disturbing part of this conversation is that black teens can't be teens and have to walk through society under a microscope. IT IS NOT FAIR and they are getting sick of it.

Since when is organizing trespassing events at other people's places the same as a kid having a party when the parents are out of town.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It appears to me that there issues on both sides.

Some of the black teens were uninvited guests at a private pool. The white lady and police officer behaved very badly. Both sides were wrong.

However, I didn't really see the other cops doing much of anything to diffuse the situation and I did see teens swarming all around the area. I heard them being asked by the officer to 'sit on the ground until they get to the bottom of this.' That is a reasonable request no matter what color you are. Why did they not do this? Is the officer expected to leave unruly teens swarm around and out of sight? His first priority is to defend and protect himself. Those 2 boys came at him when his back was turned. I can't hear what they may have said to provoke the reaction of him unholstering his weapon.

There are too many missing facts here to pass judgement. However calling this an act of racism is jumping the gun a tad too quickly. Not every incident involving white cops and black people is racism.

I think that the reaction of the other officers - to immediately intervene when he pulled his weapon - speaks to how inappropriate his response was.

I also think that the stated details from bystanders that only the black and Hispanic teenagers were asked to sit down speaks to the racism at play.

And what he did to that girl was completely uncalled for. An unarmed minor female in a bathing suit, grabbed by the hair, face smashed into the grass and held down by an adult male with a gun. There is no universe in which that is okay, no matter what she said.

PP here. I fully agree with this statement no matter what the color of the participants are. I wouldn't agree with it if it were a black cop and a black teen. She was unarmed and shouldn't have been manhandled AT ALL. But she was resisting arrest. Are you saying the cop should have left her go after she resisted? Are you saying it's ok for her to disrespect the authority of the police by mouthing off because you're being run off from somewhere you shouldn't have been? I'm not trying to start a fight. I'm genuinely curious how you think this cop should have handled this situation?

And I'm pretty sure I read something on buzzfeed about a white girl being handcuffed.

"Stone told BuzzFeed News that when she approached the officers to explain what had happened in the pool the cop featured in the video ordered that she be handcuffed. “I asked why I was in handcuffs and he wouldn’t tell me,” she said, adding that she was the only white person handcuffed."

http://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/texas-police-officer-suspended-after-pulling-weapon-on-teens#.miPxgYZogj

He told them to leave. She was leaving. He had to chase after her, grab her by the hair and wrestle her to the ground.

As for how I think he should have handled the situation, I think that he should have either told everyone on the scene to sit down or told them all to leave. This girl was leaving per instructions. He lost his temper because she talked back to him while she was doing what she was instructed to do.

I think people should generally be respectful of other people, but I expect a lot more from an adult, particularly a police officer, than I do from a 14-year-old girl who just got kicked out of a pool party. He was in the wrong, completely, and he should be fired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It appears to me that there issues on both sides.

Some of the black teens were uninvited guests at a private pool. The white lady and police officer behaved very badly. Both sides were wrong.

However, I didn't really see the other cops doing much of anything to diffuse the situation and I did see teens swarming all around the area. I heard them being asked by the officer to 'sit on the ground until they get to the bottom of this.' That is a reasonable request no matter what color you are. Why did they not do this? Is the officer expected to leave unruly teens swarm around and out of sight? His first priority is to defend and protect himself. Those 2 boys came at him when his back was turned. I can't hear what they may have said to provoke the reaction of him unholstering his weapon.

There are too many missing facts here to pass judgement. However calling this an act of racism is jumping the gun a tad too quickly. Not every incident involving white cops and black people is racism.

+1. You are right.

And of course some people will make up a dozen reasons why you aren't...so no surprise those teenagers behaved like that, if they have parents like some of the ones in this thread.

Still haven't seen anyone respond to the point that only the people of color were detained. The white woman who started it, apparently, has seen no consequences.