lahoma Fraternity Caught Gleefully Singing a Racist Chant

[Anonymous]

The N word is the lesser offense here. Much more offended by the lynching comments.

[Anonymous]

I spent more than my fair share of college at the SAE house in a Southern or quasi-Southern state back in the early '90s. I was never drugged, raped or put in an uncomfortable or otherwise compromising position. You would have never, ever found the SAE members of that chapter (which BTW, is a better "more prestigious" SAE chapter than Oklahoma) singing this or any other racist chant. I'm glad SAE national kicked them all out too. Their conduct is certainly not representative of SAEs and reflects negatively on the entire greek system.

[Anonymous]

I didn't see the video. But what if it was 5 out of 130 members? Went evict all? How is that due process?

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that one of the first rules we learn as kids is that you don't do or say something just because others do. However, when it comes to the use of the N word, that lesson is thrown away. I guess some people just really want to find a reason to use it.

that is naive. I'm a white male in my 40s. When I was in my early 20s, all of my favorite songs and movies were littered with the N word. Talking about Snoop, Dre, NWA, Cube for music. Maybe some Ghetto Boys and Bushwhack Bill. And for movies - maybe Pulp Fiction, etc.

It was a huge part of my vocabulary only because I mimicked what I heard constantly.

Then you were an idiot. I am of your generation, had these same cultural influences, but still had the common sense to know that I could not appropriate that pattern of speech.

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I'm baffled that any white person in our generation thinks it's ok to use the n-word.

It's somewhat similar (thought I think to a lesser degree, without or at least with a different kind of history) to women using terms like 'bitches.' Women referring to their friends as 'my bitches' may be a bit tasteless, but it's FAR more ok to for women to use it in a positive sense, regarding themselves, than men referring to women as bitches.

The degree is different and I don't mean to compare the term "bitch" to the n-word, but I think it's in a somewhat similar vein.

In general, people adopt derogatory terms used about their own group all the time, and try and "own" the term themselves in large part to reconfigure the power of the word, and take back at least part of the definition.

I don't understand that. Most of my favorite expressions come from somewhere. Do you sing out loud to songs? I do the same with rap. When you sing along to f the police, say you were alone, do you say the n word or do you literally censor yourself in your brain?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that one of the first rules we learn as kids is that you don't do or say something just because others do. However, when it comes to the use of the N word, that lesson is thrown away. I guess some people just really want to find a reason to use it.

that is naive. I'm a white male in my 40s. When I was in my early 20s, all of my favorite songs and movies were littered with the N word. Talking about Snoop, Dre, NWA, Cube for music. Maybe some Ghetto Boys and Bushwhack Bill. And for movies - maybe Pulp Fiction, etc.

It was a huge part of my vocabulary only because I mimicked what I heard constantly.

Then you were an idiot. I am of your generation, had these same cultural influences, but still had the common sense to know that I could not appropriate that pattern of speech.

+1

I'm baffled that any white person in our generation thinks it's ok to use the n-word.

It's somewhat similar (thought I think to a lesser degree, without or at least with a different kind of history) to women using terms like 'bitches.' Women referring to their friends as 'my bitches' may be a bit tasteless, but it's FAR more ok to for women to use it in a positive sense, regarding themselves, than men referring to women as bitches.

The degree is different and I don't mean to compare the term "bitch" to the n-word, but I think it's in a somewhat similar vein.

In general, people adopt derogatory terms used about their own group all the time, and try and "own" the term themselves in large part to reconfigure the power of the word, and take back at least part of the definition.

I don't understand that. Most of my favorite expressions come from somewhere. Do you sing out loud to songs? I do the same with rap. When you sing along to f the police, say you were alone, do you say the n word or do you literally censor yourself in your brain?

yes, and shake my head in pity

[Anonymous]

The person who took the video and ruined the lives of some extraordinary immature drunk young men should have the courage to identify themselves. Yes they are idiots and likely racist. But public shaming in front of 300 million seems like too much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that one of the first rules we learn as kids is that you don't do or say something just because others do. However, when it comes to the use of the N word, that lesson is thrown away. I guess some people just really want to find a reason to use it.

that is naive. I'm a white male in my 40s. When I was in my early 20s, all of my favorite songs and movies were littered with the N word. Talking about Snoop, Dre, NWA, Cube for music. Maybe some Ghetto Boys and Bushwhack Bill. And for movies - maybe Pulp Fiction, etc.

It was a huge part of my vocabulary only because I mimicked what I heard constantly.

Then you were an idiot. I am of your generation, had these same cultural influences, but still had the common sense to know that I could not appropriate that pattern of speech.

+1

I'm baffled that any white person in our generation thinks it's ok to use the n-word.

It's somewhat similar (thought I think to a lesser degree, without or at least with a different kind of history) to women using terms like 'bitches.' Women referring to their friends as 'my bitches' may be a bit tasteless, but it's FAR more ok to for women to use it in a positive sense, regarding themselves, than men referring to women as bitches.

The degree is different and I don't mean to compare the term "bitch" to the n-word, but I think it's in a somewhat similar vein.

In general, people adopt derogatory terms used about their own group all the time, and try and "own" the term themselves in large part to reconfigure the power of the word, and take back at least part of the definition.

I don't understand that. Most of my favorite expressions come from somewhere. Do you sing out loud to songs? I do the same with rap. When you sing along to f the police, say you were alone, do you say the n word or do you literally censor yourself in your brain?

yes, and shake my head in pity

No I'm being serious. When alone, rapping along to the lyrics, you seriously just pause during that word? I find that bizarre and destroying the art.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The person who took the video and ruined the lives of some extraordinary immature drunk young men should have the courage to identify themselves. Yes they are idiots and likely racist. But public shaming in front of 300 million seems like too much.

Yeah, right. He's the bad guy. Guys like this never end up doing anyone any harm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The person who took the video and ruined the lives of some extraordinary immature drunk young men should have the courage to identify themselves. Yes they are idiots and likely racist. But public shaming in front of 300 million seems like too much.

I watched both of the videos; was duly sickened and offended. It looks as if it should be easy to determine the videographer by location. There probably will be major repercussions for that person, too. Some folks might want to blame the camera operator for their consequences.

I say well done.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The person who took the video and ruined the lives of some extraordinary immature drunk young men should have the courage to identify themselves. Yes they are idiots and likely racist. But public shaming in front of 300 million seems like too much.

Yeah, right. He's the bad guy. Guys like this never end up doing anyone any harm.

They also end up growing up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The person who took the video and ruined the lives of some extraordinary immature drunk young men should have the courage to identify themselves. Yes they are idiots and likely racist. But public shaming in front of 300 million seems like too much.

Yeah, right. He's the bad guy. Guys like this never end up doing anyone any harm.

They also end up growing up.

Which just means they'll be more discreet with their bigotry

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The person who took the video and ruined the lives of some extraordinary immature drunk young men should have the courage to identify themselves. Yes they are idiots and likely racist. But public shaming in front of 300 million seems like too much.

Yeah, right. He's the bad guy. Guys like this never end up doing anyone any harm.

They also end up growing up.

Which just means they'll be more discreet with their bigotry

eh. I personally feel sorry for any dumbass young kid who gets labeled anything, even if apparently deserved, at the age of 19 when drunk and immature. Social media sucks.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if we want the word n**** struck from the English language, it should start with black folk setting an example.

Reprehensible song, but stop with the double-standard on that word please.

Totally agree.

Yes because AAs are the ones who created the word and are responsible for whites using it to degrade them. GTFOWTBS!

Say what?

Sarcasm , guess that went right over your head!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The person who took the video and ruined the lives of some extraordinary immature drunk young men should have the courage to identify themselves. Yes they are idiots and likely racist. But public shaming in front of 300 million seems like too much.

Yeah, right. He's the bad guy. Guys like this never end up doing anyone any harm.

They also end up growing up.

Which just means they'll be more discreet with their bigotry

eh. I personally feel sorry for any dumbass young kid who gets labeled anything, even if apparently deserved, at the age of 19 when drunk and immature. Social media sucks.

Then why are you posting on it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think if we want the word n**** struck from the English language, it should start with black folk setting an example.

Reprehensible song, but stop with the double-standard on that word please.

The lesson here is that it's not fair that white people don't get to use the word but black people do? Really?

no, dumbo

I have older black colleagues who absolutely HATE the word, but the youths claim it's a term of affection - a brotherly term. So if people who lived through segregation and who fought for equality are offended by it, why should those who are currently benefiting from their struggles use it freely?

That's the double standard.