Ted Cruz Booed Off Stage by Arab Christians

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
He was offended because he hates Israel and hates Jews, and didn't want Cruz to equate either with anything other than his feelings. A diplomat is paid to think. He didn't.

Do you feel, Jeff, that Hezbollah and Hamas are freedom fighters, ie fighting for the freedom of the Palestinian people? Can you show me how these organizations view the concepts of freedom, especially in regards to religious freedom, freedom for women, freedom for homosexuals, etc?

He may hate Israel, can hardly blame him given the destruction Israel has wrought on his country, but I doubt he hates Jews. There are Lebanese Jews and I'm sure he is proud to represent them.

Both Hamas and Hizballah are multifaceted organizations, one aspect of which is that they both engage in armed struggle. Both also hold seats in their respective legislatures (Hizballah in Lebanon's Parliament and Hamas in the Palestinian Legislative Council.) I do not agree with the most of the political standings. I do, however, acknowledge their rights to self-defense against foreign aggressors.

It is interesting that Hizballah is the strongest Lebanese opponent of IS and is actively fighting the organization. Lebanese and Syrian Christians face an existential threat from IS. As such, they have a fairly benevolent view of Hizballah since it can offer them some protection. Hamas' position is more complicated, but it too is opposed to IS. I think an obsession with Hizballah and Hamas at this time demonstrates misplaced priorities. IS is a more serious threat than either of those groups.

You doubt he hates Jews? Did you watch the tape and reactions? Why did Israel attack Lebanon? Assassination attempt and rockets fired.

Do you believe these organizations are fighting for freedom? ISIL certainly isn't. Is Hezbollah? Hamas? If there was no Israel, if Israel never existed, would women have freedom? Gay people? What is freedom to these organizations if it isn't to allow people freedom of religion, etc?

You have been very vocal in your denouncement of Israel' as have others Israel is the 'evil' one. Liberals nowadays believe that indiscriminateness is a moral imperative and that is how they arrive at their judgements despite the clear evidence around them, such as Hamas firing rockets from schools, etc. Any logical explanation, any explanation at all, means one discriminated, therefore it cannot be true. It's a twisted mindset for sure.

To liberals, Iraq was a racist unjust war. Racist? We liberated a country full of brown people - Kuwait - and liberated other brown people in Iraq.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
He was offended because he hates Israel and hates Jews, and didn't want Cruz to equate either with anything other than his feelings. A diplomat is paid to think. He didn't.

Do you feel, Jeff, that Hezbollah and Hamas are freedom fighters, ie fighting for the freedom of the Palestinian people? Can you show me how these organizations view the concepts of freedom, especially in regards to religious freedom, freedom for women, freedom for homosexuals, etc?

He may hate Israel, can hardly blame him given the destruction Israel has wrought on his country, but I doubt he hates Jews. There are Lebanese Jews and I'm sure he is proud to represent them.

Both Hamas and Hizballah are multifaceted organizations, one aspect of which is that they both engage in armed struggle. Both also hold seats in their respective legislatures (Hizballah in Lebanon's Parliament and Hamas in the Palestinian Legislative Council.) I do not agree with the most of the political standings. I do, however, acknowledge their rights to self-defense against foreign aggressors.

It is interesting that Hizballah is the strongest Lebanese opponent of IS and is actively fighting the organization. Lebanese and Syrian Christians face an existential threat from IS. As such, they have a fairly benevolent view of Hizballah since it can offer them some protection. Hamas' position is more complicated, but it too is opposed to IS. I think an obsession with Hizballah and Hamas at this time demonstrates misplaced priorities. IS is a more serious threat than either of those groups.

You doubt he hates Jews? Did you watch the tape and reactions? Why did Israel attack Lebanon? Assassination attempt and rockets fired.

Do you believe these organizations are fighting for freedom? ISIL certainly isn't. Is Hezbollah? Hamas? If there was no Israel, if Israel never existed, would women have freedom? Gay people? What is freedom to these organizations if it isn't to allow people freedom of religion, etc?

You have been very vocal in your denouncement of Israel' as have others Israel is the 'evil' one. Liberals nowadays believe that indiscriminateness is a moral imperative and that is how they arrive at their judgements despite the clear evidence around them, such as Hamas firing rockets from schools, etc. Any logical explanation, any explanation at all, means one discriminated, therefore it cannot be true. It's a twisted mindset for sure.

To liberals, Iraq was a racist unjust war. Racist? We liberated a country full of brown people - Kuwait - and liberated other brown people in Iraq.

This is crazy, insane, drivel and I'm not going to bother with a substantive reply. Have a good night.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
He was offended because he hates Israel and hates Jews, and didn't want Cruz to equate either with anything other than his feelings. A diplomat is paid to think. He didn't.

Do you feel, Jeff, that Hezbollah and Hamas are freedom fighters, ie fighting for the freedom of the Palestinian people? Can you show me how these organizations view the concepts of freedom, especially in regards to religious freedom, freedom for women, freedom for homosexuals, etc?

He may hate Israel, can hardly blame him given the destruction Israel has wrought on his country, but I doubt he hates Jews. There are Lebanese Jews and I'm sure he is proud to represent them.

Both Hamas and Hizballah are multifaceted organizations, one aspect of which is that they both engage in armed struggle. Both also hold seats in their respective legislatures (Hizballah in Lebanon's Parliament and Hamas in the Palestinian Legislative Council.) I do not agree with the most of the political standings. I do, however, acknowledge their rights to self-defense against foreign aggressors.

It is interesting that Hizballah is the strongest Lebanese opponent of IS and is actively fighting the organization. Lebanese and Syrian Christians face an existential threat from IS. As such, they have a fairly benevolent view of Hizballah since it can offer them some protection. Hamas' position is more complicated, but it too is opposed to IS. I think an obsession with Hizballah and Hamas at this time demonstrates misplaced priorities. IS is a more serious threat than either of those groups.

You doubt he hates Jews? Did you watch the tape and reactions? Why did Israel attack Lebanon? Assassination attempt and rockets fired.

Do you believe these organizations are fighting for freedom? ISIL certainly isn't. Is Hezbollah? Hamas? If there was no Israel, if Israel never existed, would women have freedom? Gay people? What is freedom to these organizations if it isn't to allow people freedom of religion, etc?

You have been very vocal in your denouncement of Israel' as have others Israel is the 'evil' one. Liberals nowadays believe that indiscriminateness is a moral imperative and that is how they arrive at their judgements despite the clear evidence around them, such as Hamas firing rockets from schools, etc. Any logical explanation, any explanation at all, means one discriminated, therefore it cannot be true. It's a twisted mindset for sure.

To liberals, Iraq was a racist unjust war. Racist? We liberated a country full of brown people - Kuwait - and liberated other brown people in Iraq.

This is crazy, insane, drivel and I'm not going to bother with a substantive reply. Have a good night.

And you just proved my point. Good night

[Anonymous]

Just wondering. Are posing as a pro-Israeli to discredit people of that persuasion? Scratching my head otherwise to figure out why you felt compelled to write this bit of racist dreck:

"To liberals, Iraq was a racist unjust war. Racist? We liberated a country full of brown people - Kuwait - and liberated other brown people in Iraq."

And this came after you referred to Muslim Christians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was he offended by Cruz? Because he hates Jews and Israel. When someone is a diplomat and behaves like that, he needs to go

He was offended because he represents a country that has been repeatedly attacked by Israel and Cruz called Israel the greatest friend of Christians. As a diplomat, he has to represent all Lebanese and -- as was seen -- not even the Christians consider Israel their greatest friend. But, you once again avoided explaining what you think was significant about his leaving.

Walking out as a diplomat isn't very...diplomatic

So it's OK for Cruz though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why was he offended by Cruz? Because he hates Jews and Israel. When someone is a diplomat and behaves like that, he needs to go

And yet we should applaud Cruz, a Presidential hopeful, for walking off. Because when he stomps off, it's showing backbone and principle.

I bet you never met a double standard that you didn't like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just wondering. Are posing as a pro-Israeli to discredit people of that persuasion? Scratching my head otherwise to figure out why you felt compelled to write this bit of racist dreck:

"To liberals, Iraq was a racist unjust war. Racist? We liberated a country full of brown people - Kuwait - and liberated other brown people in Iraq."

And this came after you referred to Muslim Christians.

Because if you look back at the Bush years, this is what liberal protesters were chanting 'illegal, racist, unjust war'. Which logically, makes no damn sense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was he offended by Cruz? Because he hates Jews and Israel. When someone is a diplomat and behaves like that, he needs to go

And yet we should applaud Cruz, a Presidential hopeful, for walking off. Because when he stomps off, it's showing backbone and principle.

I bet you never met a double standard that you didn't like.

Cruz is not a diplomat. He is a Senator

Do we want a President wino only says what he thinks people want to hear, then does something else? I don't

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just wondering. Are posing as a pro-Israeli to discredit people of that persuasion? Scratching my head otherwise to figure out why you felt compelled to write this bit of racist dreck:

"To liberals, Iraq was a racist unjust war. Racist? We liberated a country full of brown people - Kuwait - and liberated other brown people in Iraq."

And this came after you referred to Muslim Christians.

Because if you look back at the Bush years, this is what liberal protesters were chanting 'illegal, racist, unjust war'. Which logically, makes no damn sense

I don't think that it is a widespread liberal belief that Iraq was a racist war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just wondering. Are posing as a pro-Israeli to discredit people of that persuasion? Scratching my head otherwise to figure out why you felt compelled to write this bit of racist dreck:

"To liberals, Iraq was a racist unjust war. Racist? We liberated a country full of brown people - Kuwait - and liberated other brown people in Iraq."

And this came after you referred to Muslim Christians.

Because if you look back at the Bush years, this is what liberal protesters were chanting 'illegal, racist, unjust war'. Which logically, makes no damn sense

I don't think that it is a widespread liberal belief that Iraq was a racist war.

It does look racist though if you think the goal was to liberate a country of brown people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just wondering. Are posing as a pro-Israeli to discredit people of that persuasion? Scratching my head otherwise to figure out why you felt compelled to write this bit of racist dreck:

"To liberals, Iraq was a racist unjust war. Racist? We liberated a country full of brown people - Kuwait - and liberated other brown people in Iraq."

And this came after you referred to Muslim Christians.

Because if you look back at the Bush years, this is what liberal protesters were chanting 'illegal, racist, unjust war'. Which logically, makes no damn sense

I don't think that it is a widespread liberal belief that Iraq was a racist war.

It does look racist though if you think the goal was to liberate a country of brown people.

That makes no sense. Of the many, many reasons I heard for going to war, none was that they are "brown".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just wondering. Are posing as a pro-Israeli to discredit people of that persuasion? Scratching my head otherwise to figure out why you felt compelled to write this bit of racist dreck:

"To liberals, Iraq was a racist unjust war. Racist? We liberated a country full of brown people - Kuwait - and liberated other brown people in Iraq."

And this came after you referred to Muslim Christians.

Because if you look back at the Bush years, this is what liberal protesters were chanting 'illegal, racist, unjust war'. Which logically, makes no damn sense

I don't think that it is a widespread liberal belief that Iraq was a racist war.

Indeed it was:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1502868

Seems Nelson Msndela went there too:

http://www.discriminations.us/2003/01/attacking-iraq-is-racist/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just wondering. Are posing as a pro-Israeli to discredit people of that persuasion? Scratching my head otherwise to figure out why you felt compelled to write this bit of racist dreck:

"To liberals, Iraq was a racist unjust war. Racist? We liberated a country full of brown people - Kuwait - and liberated other brown people in Iraq."

And this came after you referred to Muslim Christians.

Because if you look back at the Bush years, this is what liberal protesters were chanting 'illegal, racist, unjust war'. Which logically, makes no damn sense

I don't think that it is a widespread liberal belief that Iraq was a racist war.

It does look racist though if you think the goal was to liberate a country of brown people.

That makes no sense. Of the many, many reasons I heard for going to war, none was that they are "brown".

I think it's an expansion of the idea that the war was American imperialism. Somehow.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
He was offended because he hates Israel and hates Jews, and didn't want Cruz to equate either with anything other than his feelings. A diplomat is paid to think. He didn't.

Do you feel, Jeff, that Hezbollah and Hamas are freedom fighters, ie fighting for the freedom of the Palestinian people? Can you show me how these organizations view the concepts of freedom, especially in regards to religious freedom, freedom for women, freedom for homosexuals, etc?

He may hate Israel, can hardly blame him given the destruction Israel has wrought on his country, but I doubt he hates Jews. There are Lebanese Jews and I'm sure he is proud to represent them.

Both Hamas and Hizballah are multifaceted organizations, one aspect of which is that they both engage in armed struggle. Both also hold seats in their respective legislatures (Hizballah in Lebanon's Parliament and Hamas in the Palestinian Legislative Council.) I do not agree with the most of the political standings. I do, however, acknowledge their rights to self-defense against foreign aggressors.

It is interesting that Hizballah is the strongest Lebanese opponent of IS and is actively fighting the organization. Lebanese and Syrian Christians face an existential threat from IS. As such, they have a fairly benevolent view of Hizballah since it can offer them some protection. Hamas' position is more complicated, but it too is opposed to IS. I think an obsession with Hizballah and Hamas at this time demonstrates misplaced priorities. IS is a more serious threat than either of those groups.

Right...and people who get their news from certain sources think that all these organizations are pretty much the same thing. They are not! Geopolitics is a very complicated and nuanced thing. And I think that many media sources do a disservice by dumbing it down for folks.

[Anonymous]

Maybe not. When Cruz was supposed to give the keynote address and discuss the deadly serious topic of persecution of Christians, he instead insulted a largely immigrant and foreign crowd as a group that didn’t understand their own political situation and stomped out of the room after calling them a bunch of haters. You can get the details and transcript here.

Sheesh. Or as Michael Brendan Dougherty put it about the general brouhaha:


The fact is, as Mark Tooley explains in a very thoughtful and balanced piece, that Christians who are persecuted have political views that may not align with U.S. interests. Who knew? For many of us, our concern about genocide of Christians isn’t limited to those who are perfectly aligned with our views. Someone will have to explain to me how positioning Cruz and the Free Beacon this way — as the go-to group for missing the point on Christian persecution — is a good thing for either of them or the military solutions they seek.

Clearly Michael Goldfarb, who founded the Free Beacon, thinks it was a home run all around:


The “keynote,” if you can call it that, turns out not to have gone over quite as well with the persecuted groups or their allies, if you can imagine. Seraphim Danckaert explains over at Orthodox Christian Network:

[I]t appears Cruz has no meaningful exposure to the actual experience of Middle Eastern Christians, nor does it seem he is even aware that there are millions of Middle Eastern Christians (and Jews, for that matter) who are strongly opposed to the official political and military policies of the modern state of Israel.

The phrase that ignited the disagreement is particularly telling: “Christians have no greater ally than Israel.”

What kind of worldview or theological bias would allow for such a statement? Only one that presumes there is a definite conformity between the needs and desires of Christians everywhere and the Middle East policy of the United States of America. It seems to me, in other words, that when Ted Cruz says “Christians have no greater ally than Israel,” he really means that “America has no greater ally than Israel” — and that the subjects of those two sentences are identical in his mind.

http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/11/ted-cruz-is-no-hero-for-insulting-a-room-of-persecuted-christians/