Daughter and friend play dress up - in hajib

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It may stem from religion but they also do it for social and cultural reasons. And they are second to men in that respect...

Right, but non-Muslim women who wear makeup, revealing clothing, and heels do it for "themselves"--not for social and cultural reasons? Oh no, they are not second to men in that respect...

And non-Muslim men never work out, get hair plugs, or buy porsches for social and cultural reasons? At least it goes both ways.

[Anonymous]

I understand OP's concerns in trying to influence her daughter's thinking on gender, feminism, etc., but it's arrogant to assume that you know better than the millions of women who wear hijab because they are (according to you) brainwashed by their religion, male dominance or a hidden force. Muslims who wear hijab do so for a number of reasons: purely spiritual, to feel closer to God, obedience to their own faith, for a sense of belonging, to reinforce an identity, to increase chances of finding a husband, to deal with an unruly hair, to make their life easier, to go to paradise, to avoid being harassed in the streets, to honor her family, to convey she's a respectable person, because all her friends do, etc. I mean, the possibilities are infinite. Of course there are the ones who do it because the state obligates them to (Saudi Arabia, Iran) or their husbands or family members impose it on them. Still, hijab wearing doesn't simply translate into inferiority or opression.

Btw, I think many Americans place this whole aura of innocence and chastity on women who wear the hijab, regardless. In DH's Muslim (and progressive) country, many headscarfed women are as slutty as they can be, and many more are prostitutes who think they will attract more clients by wearing it.

[Anonymous]

Isn't the Quran itself a bit vague about the religious necessity of veiling? My understanding is that veiling was a custom among Arabian elites, not among lower class women who needed to work with their hands.

I don't think it's arrogant to react against statements that women should hide themselves from men, in order not to tempt men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I used to dress up as a nun.

It became a habit........

As long as you weren't cross dressing, I think it's fine.

[Anonymous]

I worked with a Muslim who covered. Eventually, she married a man of faith in her community (arranged) who beat the crap out of her. She lost the scarf, divorced him, and remarried.

Unless these practices are expected of both males and females, they are oppressive and meant to keep a woman in a subservient role.

[Anonymous]

My wedding dress looked nothing like that. I bought it at Lord & Taylor on sale. There was no way in hell I'd wear "virgin white" with a veil covering my newly styled hair!

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I worked with a Muslim who covered. Eventually, she married a man of faith in her community (arranged) who beat the crap out of her. She lost the scarf, divorced him, and remarried.

Unless these practices are expected of both males and females, they are oppressive and meant to keep a woman in a subservient role.

I have a friend who was in an arranged marriage. She is a Christian. Her husband beat the shit out of her, gave her herpes, and would burn her with irons.
Your point is?

[Anonymous]

I'm trying to figure out your point. Why does a (quite possibly fabricated) post slamming Christians have any bearing on veiling by a totally different religion?

[Anonymous]

By being such an arrogant idiot, you just supported my post.

Arranged marriages benefit the men, not the women. Add special accessories to the mix (whether you cover with a scarf or a wig), and you've got yourself a great example of oppression.

thanks

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worked with a Muslim who covered. Eventually, she married a man of faith in her community (arranged) who beat the crap out of her. She lost the scarf, divorced him, and remarried.

Unless these practices are expected of both males and females, they are oppressive and meant to keep a woman in a subservient role.

I have a friend who was in an arranged marriage. She is a Christian. Her husband beat the shit out of her, gave her herpes, and would burn her with irons.
Your point is?

[Anonymous]

Now arranged marriages are per se evil? Come on, people. I know most people on here are fairly bright, so stop stereotyping. Especially about something you likely know little about.

[Anonymous]

How do you know what my experiences are? I've known several arranged marriages - two Pakistani and several in my own family (European). Suffice it to say that aside from monetary gains, there were no other benefits for the women.

Anonymous wrote:
Now arranged marriages are per se evil? Come on, people. I know most people on here are fairly bright, so stop stereotyping. Especially about something you likely know little about.