Elderly parents lost to MAGA

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Anonymous wrote:DH’s parents are MAGA. He said it’d be better if they were dead instead of losing them to the insanity.


I can't come to believe that certain old people can be "lost" to MAGA. People are attracted or repulsed based on their pre-existing values. My grandparents were kind and decent and, while they didn't live long enough to see MAGA, they would never had been taken by mocking disabled people or just plain gratuitous cruelty. By contrast, my father bragged to us about bedding other women, so of course he is attracted to a man who grabs them by the p****y. My mother had her 4 children on food stamps and still hates the poor, so of course she loves a billionaire who accepts a $400MM gift from an Arab state. No one should be surprised that their family is MAGA.


Exactly! My parents always had racist views and hate the poor. No surprise there!


As a minority (Black), I've always been confused about people acting surprised by their parents' newfound MAGA allegiance and racist/homophobic/etc beliefs. Sincere question: were there really no signs until the last few years. I can't imagine not being aware of my parents' uglier side for my entire life. I'm not judging (I promise) but how can adult children (or even teenagers) not recognize this in their parents at an earlier stage?


Their beliefs and opinions haven’t changed. There’s just a name to be aligned with now. People act as if MAGA is brainwashing their elders. It’s comical. Newsflash, your elders have always been this way. If your grandparents are over 75-80, they were/are racist and grandpa probably put hands on your grandma. They’re also who raised your parents.

MAGA is just a name for their like minded counterparts. They’ve always been who they are.


Well, my parents are both over 75 and are not and never have been racist. Painting an entire generation as racist is absurd. Do you think all people your age have the same thoughts and values? Millions and millions of people?


Your parents were born in 1951. They most likely went to still partially segregated elementary school and used a different water fountain (among other things) than people of color until they were at least 13. Racial discrimination is racism. Plus, at that age, you mainly have your parents values and beliefs (1920s, 1930s,1940s America).

Forget it and pretend it never happened doesn't negate history. Your parents likely grew up and formed their own values and beliefs alongside the progressive movements of the 1960s and 1970s and no longer have racial biases, which is great. But to believe, as children, they went against the norm for white Americans is statistically improbable.

Also, comparing thoughts and values of people in 2026 vs the 1950s is what is really absurd.



Not everyone grew up in the south.



He realize there was segregation and different water fountains in the north as well.

You know there was a whole county in VA that closed public schools from 1959 to 1964 so that they didn’t have to integrate.

THERE WERE LITERALLY NO PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

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Virginia is in the South so...

I was referring to water fountains. Separate water fountains weren't a thing where my parents grew up. There was some racism but what the PP described wasn't universal.
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Anonymous wrote:DH’s parents are MAGA. He said it’d be better if they were dead instead of losing them to the insanity.


I can't come to believe that certain old people can be "lost" to MAGA. People are attracted or repulsed based on their pre-existing values. My grandparents were kind and decent and, while they didn't live long enough to see MAGA, they would never had been taken by mocking disabled people or just plain gratuitous cruelty. By contrast, my father bragged to us about bedding other women, so of course he is attracted to a man who grabs them by the p****y. My mother had her 4 children on food stamps and still hates the poor, so of course she loves a billionaire who accepts a $400MM gift from an Arab state. No one should be surprised that their family is MAGA.


Exactly! My parents always had racist views and hate the poor. No surprise there!


As a minority (Black), I've always been confused about people acting surprised by their parents' newfound MAGA allegiance and racist/homophobic/etc beliefs. Sincere question: were there really no signs until the last few years. I can't imagine not being aware of my parents' uglier side for my entire life. I'm not judging (I promise) but how can adult children (or even teenagers) not recognize this in their parents at an earlier stage?


Their beliefs and opinions haven’t changed. There’s just a name to be aligned with now. People act as if MAGA is brainwashing their elders. It’s comical. Newsflash, your elders have always been this way. If your grandparents are over 75-80, they were/are racist and grandpa probably put hands on your grandma. They’re also who raised your parents.

MAGA is just a name for their like minded counterparts. They’ve always been who they are.


Well, my parents are both over 75 and are not and never have been racist. Painting an entire generation as racist is absurd. Do you think all people your age have the same thoughts and values? Millions and millions of people?


Your parents were born in 1951. They most likely went to still partially segregated elementary school and used a different water fountain (among other things) than people of color until they were at least 13. Racial discrimination is racism. Plus, at that age, you mainly have your parents values and beliefs (1920s, 1930s,1940s America).

Forget it and pretend it never happened doesn't negate history. Your parents likely grew up and formed their own values and beliefs alongside the progressive movements of the 1960s and 1970s and no longer have racial biases, which is great. But to believe, as children, they went against the norm for white Americans is statistically improbable.

Also, comparing thoughts and values of people in 2026 vs the 1950s is what is really absurd.



Not everyone grew up in the south.



He realize there was segregation and different water fountains in the north as well.

You know there was a whole county in VA that closed public schools from 1959 to 1964 so that they didn’t have to integrate.

THERE WERE LITERALLY NO PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

Also,


Virginia is in the South so...

I was referring to water fountains. Separate water fountains weren't a thing where my parents grew up. There was some racism but what the PP described wasn't universal.


Please inform us all, what state did your parents grow up in?
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Anonymous wrote:DH’s parents are MAGA. He said it’d be better if they were dead instead of losing them to the insanity.


I can't come to believe that certain old people can be "lost" to MAGA. People are attracted or repulsed based on their pre-existing values. My grandparents were kind and decent and, while they didn't live long enough to see MAGA, they would never had been taken by mocking disabled people or just plain gratuitous cruelty. By contrast, my father bragged to us about bedding other women, so of course he is attracted to a man who grabs them by the p****y. My mother had her 4 children on food stamps and still hates the poor, so of course she loves a billionaire who accepts a $400MM gift from an Arab state. No one should be surprised that their family is MAGA.


Exactly! My parents always had racist views and hate the poor. No surprise there!


As a minority (Black), I've always been confused about people acting surprised by their parents' newfound MAGA allegiance and racist/homophobic/etc beliefs. Sincere question: were there really no signs until the last few years. I can't imagine not being aware of my parents' uglier side for my entire life. I'm not judging (I promise) but how can adult children (or even teenagers) not recognize this in their parents at an earlier stage?


Their beliefs and opinions haven’t changed. There’s just a name to be aligned with now. People act as if MAGA is brainwashing their elders. It’s comical. Newsflash, your elders have always been this way. If your grandparents are over 75-80, they were/are racist and grandpa probably put hands on your grandma. They’re also who raised your parents.

MAGA is just a name for their like minded counterparts. They’ve always been who they are.


Well, my parents are both over 75 and are not and never have been racist. Painting an entire generation as racist is absurd. Do you think all people your age have the same thoughts and values? Millions and millions of people?


Your parents were born in 1951. They most likely went to still partially segregated elementary school and used a different water fountain (among other things) than people of color until they were at least 13. Racial discrimination is racism. Plus, at that age, you mainly have your parents values and beliefs (1920s, 1930s,1940s America).

Forget it and pretend it never happened doesn't negate history. Your parents likely grew up and formed their own values and beliefs alongside the progressive movements of the 1960s and 1970s and no longer have racial biases, which is great. But to believe, as children, they went against the norm for white Americans is statistically improbable.

Also, comparing thoughts and values of people in 2026 vs the 1950s is what is really absurd.



Not everyone grew up in the south.



Ah ignorant and uneducated, huh?

New York schools are STILL some of the most segregated schools in the country. Ever heard of Freedom Day?

What happened with the Black Military personnel stationed in Bangor and Portland, Maine post WW2?

What was up with that Detroit riot in 1967?

I'm sure you're aware of Proposition 14 in 1964 California, right? Or is racism in your eyes just against African Americans?

No doubt you're also well versed in miscegenation laws in North Dakota in the 50's and 60's, correct?

But yeah, racism was only in the south!



I was referring to the water fountains - which is why I bolded them....




You also bolded "among other things", which definitely existed in EVERY state.
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Anonymous wrote:DH’s parents are MAGA. He said it’d be better if they were dead instead of losing them to the insanity.


I can't come to believe that certain old people can be "lost" to MAGA. People are attracted or repulsed based on their pre-existing values. My grandparents were kind and decent and, while they didn't live long enough to see MAGA, they would never had been taken by mocking disabled people or just plain gratuitous cruelty. By contrast, my father bragged to us about bedding other women, so of course he is attracted to a man who grabs them by the p****y. My mother had her 4 children on food stamps and still hates the poor, so of course she loves a billionaire who accepts a $400MM gift from an Arab state. No one should be surprised that their family is MAGA.


Exactly! My parents always had racist views and hate the poor. No surprise there!


As a minority (Black), I've always been confused about people acting surprised by their parents' newfound MAGA allegiance and racist/homophobic/etc beliefs. Sincere question: were there really no signs until the last few years. I can't imagine not being aware of my parents' uglier side for my entire life. I'm not judging (I promise) but how can adult children (or even teenagers) not recognize this in their parents at an earlier stage?


I would not characterize my parents as MAGA, but both my brother and I were quite shocked when we learned they voted for Trump and apparently identify as Republicans. Neither my parents or grandparents (long since deceased) have ever/were ever racist or sexist. Like, the worst thing I ever heard was my grandmother, who was born in 1910, acknowledge that it was acceptable once to say "colored," and that was in reference to something someone else said in a story she was telling.

In retrospect we were raised as what I'd describe as color blind, but not particularly progressive. We didn't talk a lot of politics growing up but definitely talked about public policy or current events. My brother and I are both liberal.

My parents have bought into the lie that there "just wasn't a choice" so they had to vote for Trump. It's been kind of heartbreaking, if I'm honest.

I was born in the 60s and as a young person, the "correct" term at the time to use was colored people. Then it shifted to Black. Then to African American. Or maybe the other way around. Now the correct term is "people of color".

It's crazy to me now that my 20 something kids think saying "colored people" is horrid, but saying "people of color" is just fine.

I don't want to insult anyone, and try to use the current correct terms, but "colored" vs "of color" just seems pretty similar to me.

In the 70s, most of my friends were into the Rocky Horror culture and Transvestite and Transsexual were terms used widely. Now you are shamed if you say either instead of Transgender. Which is a totally different thing, but the former terms are on the banned list.

I swear that some of the acceptable terms my adult kids are so used to will one day be on the out list and maybe then they will understand how easy it is for them to say something that was fine for 20 years and suddenly has become a phrase that is now offensive.


You can definitely say transsexual but most people don’t know why the terms mean.
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Anonymous wrote:DH’s parents are MAGA. He said it’d be better if they were dead instead of losing them to the insanity.


I can't come to believe that certain old people can be "lost" to MAGA. People are attracted or repulsed based on their pre-existing values. My grandparents were kind and decent and, while they didn't live long enough to see MAGA, they would never had been taken by mocking disabled people or just plain gratuitous cruelty. By contrast, my father bragged to us about bedding other women, so of course he is attracted to a man who grabs them by the p****y. My mother had her 4 children on food stamps and still hates the poor, so of course she loves a billionaire who accepts a $400MM gift from an Arab state. No one should be surprised that their family is MAGA.


Exactly! My parents always had racist views and hate the poor. No surprise there!


As a minority (Black), I've always been confused about people acting surprised by their parents' newfound MAGA allegiance and racist/homophobic/etc beliefs. Sincere question: were there really no signs until the last few years. I can't imagine not being aware of my parents' uglier side for my entire life. I'm not judging (I promise) but how can adult children (or even teenagers) not recognize this in their parents at an earlier stage?


Their beliefs and opinions haven’t changed. There’s just a name to be aligned with now. People act as if MAGA is brainwashing their elders. It’s comical. Newsflash, your elders have always been this way. If your grandparents are over 75-80, they were/are racist and grandpa probably put hands on your grandma. They’re also who raised your parents.

MAGA is just a name for their like minded counterparts. They’ve always been who they are.


Well, my parents are both over 75 and are not and never have been racist. Painting an entire generation as racist is absurd. Do you think all people your age have the same thoughts and values? Millions and millions of people?


Your parents were born in 1951. They most likely went to still partially segregated elementary school and used a different water fountain (among other things) than people of color until they were at least 13. Racial discrimination is racism. Plus, at that age, you mainly have your parents values and beliefs (1920s, 1930s,1940s America).

Forget it and pretend it never happened doesn't negate history. Your parents likely grew up and formed their own values and beliefs alongside the progressive movements of the 1960s and 1970s and no longer have racial biases, which is great. But to believe, as children, they went against the norm for white Americans is statistically improbable.

Also, comparing thoughts and values of people in 2026 vs the 1950s is what is really absurd.



Not everyone grew up in the south.



Ah ignorant and uneducated, huh?

New York schools are STILL some of the most segregated schools in the country. Ever heard of Freedom Day?

What happened with the Black Military personnel stationed in Bangor and Portland, Maine post WW2?

What was up with that Detroit riot in 1967?

I'm sure you're aware of Proposition 14 in 1964 California, right? Or is racism in your eyes just against African Americans?

No doubt you're also well versed in miscegenation laws in North Dakota in the 50's and 60's, correct?

But yeah, racism was only in the south!


+-. Plus the KKK (Democrat run, of course) was everywhere. I recently learned of a chapter in my sleepy hometown in Southern California. Even there, names had to be removed from public institutions .
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Anonymous wrote:DH’s parents are MAGA. He said it’d be better if they were dead instead of losing them to the insanity.


I can't come to believe that certain old people can be "lost" to MAGA. People are attracted or repulsed based on their pre-existing values. My grandparents were kind and decent and, while they didn't live long enough to see MAGA, they would never had been taken by mocking disabled people or just plain gratuitous cruelty. By contrast, my father bragged to us about bedding other women, so of course he is attracted to a man who grabs them by the p****y. My mother had her 4 children on food stamps and still hates the poor, so of course she loves a billionaire who accepts a $400MM gift from an Arab state. No one should be surprised that their family is MAGA.


Exactly! My parents always had racist views and hate the poor. No surprise there!


As a minority (Black), I've always been confused about people acting surprised by their parents' newfound MAGA allegiance and racist/homophobic/etc beliefs. Sincere question: were there really no signs until the last few years. I can't imagine not being aware of my parents' uglier side for my entire life. I'm not judging (I promise) but how can adult children (or even teenagers) not recognize this in their parents at an earlier stage?


Actually studies have shown that that devout Christian’s or other religions or people who fled communism are more susceptible to propaganda.

I’m surprised you’re not aware that propaganda is scientific tool used to control and some are more susceptible.

My dad was not religious and believed it was parables and the priest wasjust some guy trying to preach good but mum mom literally believed Jesus died on a cross for her sins and she drank his blood on sundays.

She fell for the propaganda, he did not.


Excellent point. I'm always surprised that we don't acknowledge the razor thin line between believing Christian dogma and believing anything Trump says. It's the same BS designed to indoctrinate the faithful, marginalize the unfaithful, and compel action to show loyalty.
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