Ending you Chicago haters once and for all

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago’s stats are “sky high” in part due to their test-optional policy.

That’s actually false. The proportion of students submitting SAT/ACT (despite TO policy) is similar to other top schools.

Please don’t make statements that you know are not based on any fact. Whenever a school has a TO policy, the test scores of applicants are higher than that of other top ranked test required schools. Look at any school that was test req and then became TO and you’ll see the scores come down.

Otherwise please show the links verifying this statement.

We’ll repeat it for like the 10th time on this thread. The CDS for each school has this information. Chicago’s percent of students submitting scores and the range of those scores is extremely similar to other top schools.

For “like the 10th time” (or should I say, for the 25th time, as this more accurately describes Chicago’s selectivity rank), let Chicago share admit data on its current CDS like everyone else. Until they do, they don’t get the benefit of the doubt. The “Chicago-haters” are self-inflicted by Chicago. Point your animus and cause for your wasted breath where it belongs: UChicago.

Case. Closed.

There’s no doubt that the kids have as good or better test scores as other top schools because the information is there. Case. Closed.

There’s also no doubt that this school lives rent free in your head, which is sad.

No, there is some doubt. Why don’t you get the info from Chicago so the case is closed? ED numbers especially. Just call them up. I am sure they’ll tell you. Explain that you are tired of “proving” UChicago is a top 10 school in selectivity (instead of 25th) on DCUM.

Surely, they have nothing to hide. Surely they have no reason not to release the information. ‘Tis irrational…

The only other explanation is that you are being irrational.

There was a question about the test scores and how they were “inflated” because of TO policy. The above debunked that argument. Now you are deflecting…not a good look.

This entire thread is about Chicago and its lack of transparency on the CDS. No wait list numbers, no ED numbers, no EA numbers - nothing. You are using test scores to argue Chicago is as selective as its apologists (and you) say it is. If you want to admit that test scores does not equal selectivity, and of course Chicago is not as selective as any other top 20 school, please do so.

I’m waiting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago’s stats are “sky high” in part due to their test-optional policy.

That’s actually false. The proportion of students submitting SAT/ACT (despite TO policy) is similar to other top schools.

Please don’t make statements that you know are not based on any fact. Whenever a school has a TO policy, the test scores of applicants are higher than that of other top ranked test required schools. Look at any school that was test req and then became TO and you’ll see the scores come down.

Otherwise please show the links verifying this statement.

We’ll repeat it for like the 10th time on this thread. The CDS for each school has this information. Chicago’s percent of students submitting scores and the range of those scores is extremely similar to other top schools.

For “like the 10th time” (or should I say, for the 25th time, as this more accurately describes Chicago’s selectivity rank), let Chicago share admit data on its current CDS like everyone else. Until they do, they don’t get the benefit of the doubt. The “Chicago-haters” are self-inflicted by Chicago. Point your animus and cause for your wasted breath where it belongs: UChicago.

Case. Closed.

There’s no doubt that the kids have as good or better test scores as other top schools because the information is there. Case. Closed.

There’s also no doubt that this school lives rent free in your head, which is sad.

No, there is some doubt. Why don’t you get the info from Chicago so the case is closed? ED numbers especially. Just call them up. I am sure they’ll tell you. Explain that you are tired of “proving” UChicago is a top 10 school in selectivity (instead of 25th) on DCUM.

Surely, they have nothing to hide. Surely they have no reason not to release the information. ‘Tis irrational…

The only other explanation is that you are being irrational.

There was a question about the test scores and how they were “inflated” because of TO policy. The above debunked that argument. Now you are deflecting…not a good look.

This entire thread is about Chicago and its lack of transparency on the CDS. No wait list numbers, no ED numbers, no EA numbers - nothing. You are using test scores to argue Chicago is as selective as its apologists (and you) say it is. If you want to admit that test scores does not equal selectivity, and of course Chicago is not as selective as any other top 20 school, please do so.

I’m waiting.

You’re arguing with two different people, but no, we aren’t arguing that the test scores mean the school is more or less selective. We are arguing that the test scores demonstrate that the quality of student is as good as elsewhere. Not sure what you’re struggling with.

Reflect a little bit and ask yourself where you went wrong. Where was it that you came to this (false) conclusion that school quality is measured by admit rate? Where was it that you stopped caring about academic departments, faculty, reputation, career outcomes, undergrad-specific requirements and programming and decided instead that admit rate was all that mattered? Ask yourself those things. And then go after whoever it was that led you astray.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One thing not mentioned yet is the type of character UChicago appears to truly prioritize. KINDNESS! Kindness and overall integrity play a real role in their decisions.

The admits from our FCPS public high school to UChicago the past few years are widely seen as kind in addition to being very very intelligent.

Kindness! What!? I have never in my life heard of Chicago being equated with kindness! My relatives who went there are rolling in their graves! Now that’s a nutter position if I’ve ever heard of one!

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Haters gonna hate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One thing not mentioned yet is the type of character UChicago appears to truly prioritize. KINDNESS! Kindness and overall integrity play a real role in their decisions.

The admits from our FCPS public high school to UChicago the past few years are widely seen as kind in addition to being very very intelligent.

Kindness! What!? I have never in my life heard of Chicago being equated with kindness! My relatives who went there are rolling in their graves! Now that’s a nutter position if I’ve ever heard of one!

The kids coming from the top privates to Chicago are generally the econ bros who didn't have the stats to get into Princeton or Dartmouth. They're not the kind, academic kids, they're the kids who are known for being both stuck-up and mediocre.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to U of C many years ago and find these DCUM discussions so bizarre and untethered from reality.

It's a good school. To learn. End of story.

Me too!! Also went there and do not understand these people at all.

If you actually went there, how can you defend what Chicago has become? The end of the old intellectual Chicago, double the enrollment, 30% of students majoring in econ, the debt, the 3 rounds of ED and one round of EA, the lack of transparency, and the “it” school for prestige-consumed students who know they can’t get into another top 20 so they ED to Chicago (as did 80% of its enrolled class each year).

I did actually go there. It is still a good school thats helped launch my career...also I guess I have better things than to go around hating colleges? A lot of colleges wouldn't be right for my kids (chicago is not one of them of course) but I guess I don't see a need to hate on those schools

[Anonymous]

My DS is a 1st year at UChicago. I remember the Dean of Admissions speaking about the kindness and how his office was aiming for this in the class of 2029.

DS’s classes are difficult and really challenge him. He has not found the culture there to be cutthroat. Very collaborative and thoughtful group of students.

It sounds like admissions currently is focused on getting a genuinely nice group of students. This may not have been the case in the past of course.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS is a 1st year at UChicago. I remember the Dean of Admissions speaking about the kindness and how his office was aiming for this in the class of 2029.

DS’s classes are difficult and really challenge him. He has not found the culture there to be cutthroat. Very collaborative and thoughtful group of students.

It sounds like admissions currently is focused on getting a genuinely nice group of students. This may not have been the case in the past of course.

Kindness= lip service = marketing. Everywhere.
Chicago is trying to market this as evidence of their “holistic” admissions.
When Ed rounds have an overall 30-something percent acceptance rate, you cannot pick and choose your “holistic” class like the big boys.

Same for the testing = competitiveness of applications = quality of students bozos posting here.

The actual top schools for selectivity can have any test scores they want. They are choosing not to. Why? Because they can.

Chicago cannot because it is not in that tier of selectivity; it is not remotely close. Duh.

[Anonymous]

In our private (Texas) kids who want to apply to Penn/Brown/Columbia/ Dartmouth do not want to apply to Uchicago as they fear tough academics would reveals their curated image.

On the other hands smart , curious and quirky kids that genuinely want to learn go the Uchicago route. I see that every year!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In our private (Texas) kids who want to apply to Penn/Brown/Columbia/ Dartmouth do not want to apply to Uchicago as they fear tough academics would reveals their curated image.

On the other hands smart , curious and quirky kids that genuinely want to learn go the Uchicago route. I see that every year!

Then it all works out for everyone, given that Chicago is the easier admit. Yay!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DS is a 1st year at UChicago. I remember the Dean of Admissions speaking about the kindness and how his office was aiming for this in the class of 2029.

DS’s classes are difficult and really challenge him. He has not found the culture there to be cutthroat. Very collaborative and thoughtful group of students.

It sounds like admissions currently is focused on getting a genuinely nice group of students. This may not have been the case in the past of course.

Kindness= lip service = marketing. Everywhere.
Chicago is trying to market this as evidence of their “holistic” admissions.
When Ed rounds have an overall 30-something percent acceptance rate, you cannot pick and choose your “holistic” class like the big boys.

Same for the testing = competitiveness of applications = quality of students bozos posting here.

The actual top schools for selectivity can have any test scores they want. They are choosing not to. Why? Because they can.

Chicago cannot because it is not in that tier of selectivity; it is not remotely close. Duh.

This was very nearly a coherent thought. Good effort.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UChicago’s stats are “sky high” in part due to their test-optional policy.

That’s actually false. The proportion of students submitting SAT/ACT (despite TO policy) is similar to other top schools.

Please don’t make statements that you know are not based on any fact. Whenever a school has a TO policy, the test scores of applicants are higher than that of other top ranked test required schools. Look at any school that was test req and then became TO and you’ll see the scores come down.

Otherwise please show the links verifying this statement.

We’ll repeat it for like the 10th time on this thread. The CDS for each school has this information. Chicago’s percent of students submitting scores and the range of those scores is extremely similar to other top schools.

For “like the 10th time” (or should I say, for the 25th time, as this more accurately describes Chicago’s selectivity rank), let Chicago share admit data on its current CDS like everyone else. Until they do, they don’t get the benefit of the doubt. The “Chicago-haters” are self-inflicted by Chicago. Point your animus and cause for your wasted breath where it belongs: UChicago.

Case. Closed.

There’s no doubt that the kids have as good or better test scores as other top schools because the information is there. Case. Closed.

There’s also no doubt that this school lives rent free in your head, which is sad.

No, there is some doubt. Why don’t you get the info from Chicago so the case is closed? ED numbers especially. Just call them up. I am sure they’ll tell you. Explain that you are tired of “proving” UChicago is a top 10 school in selectivity (instead of 25th) on DCUM.

Surely, they have nothing to hide. Surely they have no reason not to release the information. ‘Tis irrational…

The only other explanation is that you are being irrational.

There was a question about the test scores and how they were “inflated” because of TO policy. The above debunked that argument. Now you are deflecting…not a good look.

This entire thread is about Chicago and its lack of transparency on the CDS. No wait list numbers, no ED numbers, no EA numbers - nothing. You are using test scores to argue Chicago is as selective as its apologists (and you) say it is. If you want to admit that test scores does not equal selectivity, and of course Chicago is not as selective as any other top 20 school, please do so.

I’m waiting.

You’re arguing with two different people, but no, we aren’t arguing that the test scores mean the school is more or less selective. We are arguing that the test scores demonstrate that the quality of student is as good as elsewhere. Not sure what you’re struggling with.

Reflect a little bit and ask yourself where you went wrong. Where was it that you came to this (false) conclusion that school quality is measured by admit rate? Where was it that you stopped caring about academic departments, faculty, reputation, career outcomes, undergrad-specific requirements and programming and decided instead that admit rate was all that mattered? Ask yourself those things. And then go after whoever it was that led you astray.

Pick any metric you like to justify Chicago’s Top 10 ranking as an undergraduate institution and put forth your argument.

Don’t forget all the academic departments that are now being cut, the core courses taught by graduate students, the need for summer courses to double major created by the core (at another 10 grand tuition; Chicago thoughtfully offers these core courses), the lack of intellectual diversity (30% Econ majors), the poor per capita endowment, the expanding class sizes and, yes, poor job outcomes…

[Anonymous]

The issue is combining EA and ED doesn't end up telling you much...it's possible that they accepted 80% of ED and 2% of EA and the weighted average was 18%. The criticism (fair or not) is that Chicago's ED rate is really high and that rate is unknowable from this information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The issue is combining EA and ED doesn't end up telling you much...it's possible that they accepted 80% of ED and 2% of EA and the weighted average was 18%. The criticism (fair or not) is that Chicago's ED rate is really high and that rate is unknowable from this information.

It's a totally fair criticism. But that one angry poster sounds sick and sad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I went to U of C many years ago and find these DCUM discussions so bizarre and untethered from reality.

It's a good school. To learn. End of story.

Me too!! Also went there and do not understand these people at all.

If you actually went there, how can you defend what Chicago has become? The end of the old intellectual Chicago, double the enrollment, 30% of students majoring in econ, the debt, the 3 rounds of ED and one round of EA, the lack of transparency, and the “it” school for prestige-consumed students who know they can’t get into another top 20 so they ED to Chicago (as did 80% of its enrolled class each year).

I did actually go there. It is still a good school thats helped launch my career...also I guess I have better things than to go around hating colleges? A lot of colleges wouldn't be right for my kids (chicago is not one of them of course) but I guess I don't see a need to hate on those schools

How is it “hating on” a school when it is being criticized for being one of the only universities in the country not to disclose its early admission numbers? Chicago has decided being “hated on” is better than transparency. This is a conscious decision.

If you don’t like it, use your considerable influence as an alumn to make the school stop with its antics. Alumni here are giving their school too much of a pass: do something about it.

Unless you want to argue that Chicago’s lack of transparency is defensible?