Response to Recent FCPS Statement

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Silly? These are the brightest kids in the country. This is not them being silly. Imagine if the were black or gay students being kidnapped. AOC and that crew would be allllll over it


+ a million
Can you even imagine?
Anonymous
Does anyone remember that Justice graduation with the focus on the Muslim students?
Anonymous
I'm going to give some perspective on this as a TJ student. I seem to be one of the only students frequenting this forum, and I think context would greatly help. I can't speak for Langley, but I'll share my TJ experience.
In the TJ video, a girl asks if people are coming to the club meeting. When they say no, other people "kidnap" them. This has sparked outrage due to the current political climate as well as who posted it. While it was definitely insensitive and an oversight, I think it's important to consider that this is a trend. For example, in a reel posted before that post that has since been taken down, students in TJ SGA (Student Government Association) also asked if people were coming to a football game and "assaulted" people who weren't coming. However, only the MSA post has been scrutinized so heavily, and I think we all know why.
Also, the keffiyeh is just a symbol of standing with Palestine. It's not alluding to terrorism, and it is NO way the equivalent of a noose. It's not comparable to kidnapping black people, because they didn't use Jewish kids for the kidnapped people.
So many of you are just being blatantly racist. One or two videos by a few kids does not define a culture of two billion, especially when it's a TREND. MSA should not be disbanded because of a few kids' actions, and besides, refusing to allow the club to congregate would be a violation of the first amendment.
Suspension is also too far in my opinion. Yes, they should have gotten a consequence, but for TJ kids, a suspension is one of the worst things that can happen to you. Those students are absolutely cooked for college admissions now.
I'd also like to point out that everyone at TJ is outraged over this suspension, including Jewish kids. I've seen countless stories and notes on Instagram complaining over the handling of this situation and calling for action. Here's a letter shared on Instagram from TJ ASG: https://www.instagram.com/p/DQYCmBoDJk4/?img_index=1
I believe the student body is so mad because we all understand the club culture at TJ; I encourage all of you to look at reels posted by other TJ clubs. It's extremely common to make reels for clubs, and other clubs have posted similar reels in the past. The reels are usually very lighthearted and are for fun.
Responding to the argument that "TJ kids should know better": You're overestimating us. Yes, we have some very bright kids, but we are still just teenagers. Please try to be more understanding. Our frontal lobes are not fully developed, which is why the posters of the reel didn't think of the implications.
Thank you for your time.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I'm going to give some perspective on this as a TJ student. I seem to be one of the only students frequenting this forum, and I think context would greatly help. I can't speak for Langley, but I'll share my TJ experience.
In the TJ video, a girl asks if people are coming to the club meeting. When they say no, other people "kidnap" them. This has sparked outrage due to the current political climate as well as who posted it. While it was definitely insensitive and an oversight, I think it's important to consider that this is a trend. For example, in a reel posted before that post that has since been taken down, students in TJ SGA (Student Government Association) also asked if people were coming to a football game and "assaulted" people who weren't coming. However, only the MSA post has been scrutinized so heavily, and I think we all know why.
Also, the keffiyeh is just a symbol of standing with Palestine. It's not alluding to terrorism, and it is NO way the equivalent of a noose. It's not comparable to kidnapping black people, because they didn't use Jewish kids for the kidnapped people.
So many of you are just being blatantly racist. One or two videos by a few kids does not define a culture of two billion, especially when it's a TREND. MSA should not be disbanded because of a few kids' actions, and besides, refusing to allow the club to congregate would be a violation of the first amendment.
Suspension is also too far in my opinion. Yes, they should have gotten a consequence, but for TJ kids, a suspension is one of the worst things that can happen to you. Those students are absolutely cooked for college admissions now.
I'd also like to point out that everyone at TJ is outraged over this suspension, including Jewish kids. I've seen countless stories and notes on Instagram complaining over the handling of this situation and calling for action. Here's a letter shared on Instagram from TJ ASG: https://www.instagram.com/p/DQYCmBoDJk4/?img_index=1
I believe the student body is so mad because we all understand the club culture at TJ; I encourage all of you to look at reels posted by other TJ clubs. It's extremely common to make reels for clubs, and other clubs have posted similar reels in the past. The reels are usually very lighthearted and are for fun.
Responding to the argument that "TJ kids should know better": You're overestimating us. Yes, we have some very bright kids, but we are still just teenagers. Please try to be more understanding. Our frontal lobes are not fully developed, which is why the posters of the reel didn't think of the implications.
Thank you for your time.


It is the equivalent of wearing a white hood.

If this is what the kids think, then you need a solid life lesson. Put yourself in the shoes of the tiny handful of Jewish students in Fairfax County and at your school. Many of them feel like they have to hide their identity. Many of them feel like they have to pretend to be okay with open antisemitism to keep friends. Many of them feel hurt, targeted and rejected by kids who 2 years ago were their friends.

Think of that MSA student group having a celebratory spirit day on October 7th, the most tragic single day since the holocaust, and how that looked and felt to the jewish kids, your former friends.

At best, those TJ students have been tone deaf and are trivilizing antisemitism because of their ignorance and poor judgement. At worse, they are embracing and celebrating the most horrifying and significant act of antisemitism in the lifetime of your Jewish classmates.

Put yourself in the shoes of the handful of your classmates who are Jewish. Use your brain power and think beyond yourself and social media toxicity.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm going to give some perspective on this as a TJ student. I seem to be one of the only students frequenting this forum, and I think context would greatly help. I can't speak for Langley, but I'll share my TJ experience.
In the TJ video, a girl asks if people are coming to the club meeting. When they say no, other people "kidnap" them. This has sparked outrage due to the current political climate as well as who posted it. While it was definitely insensitive and an oversight, I think it's important to consider that this is a trend. For example, in a reel posted before that post that has since been taken down, students in TJ SGA (Student Government Association) also asked if people were coming to a football game and "assaulted" people who weren't coming. However, only the MSA post has been scrutinized so heavily, and I think we all know why.
Also, the keffiyeh is just a symbol of standing with Palestine. It's not alluding to terrorism, and it is NO way the equivalent of a noose. It's not comparable to kidnapping black people, because they didn't use Jewish kids for the kidnapped people.
So many of you are just being blatantly racist. One or two videos by a few kids does not define a culture of two billion, especially when it's a TREND. MSA should not be disbanded because of a few kids' actions, and besides, refusing to allow the club to congregate would be a violation of the first amendment.
Suspension is also too far in my opinion. Yes, they should have gotten a consequence, but for TJ kids, a suspension is one of the worst things that can happen to you. Those students are absolutely cooked for college admissions now.
I'd also like to point out that everyone at TJ is outraged over this suspension, including Jewish kids. I've seen countless stories and notes on Instagram complaining over the handling of this situation and calling for action. Here's a letter shared on Instagram from TJ ASG: https://www.instagram.com/p/DQYCmBoDJk4/?img_index=1
I believe the student body is so mad because we all understand the club culture at TJ; I encourage all of you to look at reels posted by other TJ clubs. It's extremely common to make reels for clubs, and other clubs have posted similar reels in the past. The reels are usually very lighthearted and are for fun.
Responding to the argument that "TJ kids should know better": You're overestimating us. Yes, we have some very bright kids, but we are still just teenagers. Please try to be more understanding. Our frontal lobes are not fully developed, which is why the posters of the reel didn't think of the implications.
Thank you for your time.


It is the equivalent of wearing a white hood.

If this is what the kids think, then you need a solid life lesson. Put yourself in the shoes of the tiny handful of Jewish students in Fairfax County and at your school. Many of them feel like they have to hide their identity. Many of them feel like they have to pretend to be okay with open antisemitism to keep friends. Many of them feel hurt, targeted and rejected by kids who 2 years ago were their friends.

Think of that MSA student group having a celebratory spirit day on October 7th, the most tragic single day since the holocaust, and how that looked and felt to the jewish kids, your former friends.

At best, those TJ students have been tone deaf and are trivilizing antisemitism because of their ignorance and poor judgement. At worse, they are embracing and celebrating the most horrifying and significant act of antisemitism in the lifetime of your Jewish classmates.

Put yourself in the shoes of the handful of your classmates who are Jewish. Use your brain power and think beyond yourself and social media toxicity.


I think you need to put yourself into the shoes of Muslims as well. I'd like to invite you to use your brain power and think beyond your own worldview.
I'm not saying that Jewish students don't face some form of antisemitism, and even though I personally haven't seen any of that at TJ, I'm not going to pretend that there's not the strong likelihood of that happening. However, Muslim students also face heavy discrimination. Just look at this entire thread. Unfortunately, both Jewish and Muslim kids are vilified because of the situation in the Middle East. I'm not going to go too deep into politics right now, but I believe that both sides have done bad things. October 7th was a tragic event and deeply disturbing. However, there's also a genocide going on in Palestine. It's a lose lose situation.
Thank you for telling me about the spirit day; I was not aware of that. They should not have done that. However, the keffiyeh is not comparable to a white hood in any shape or form. It's a sign of being against the genocide in Palestine, and does not mean you support Hamas. Feel free to research it.
Also, since when did I ever imply that I'm no longer friends with Jewish kids? What do you mean, former friends? I'm still friends with many Jewish kids. I also have some Muslim friends. I don't demonize an entire culture because of associated politics outside of their control.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I'm going to give some perspective on this as a TJ student. I seem to be one of the only students frequenting this forum, and I think context would greatly help. I can't speak for Langley, but I'll share my TJ experience.
In the TJ video, a girl asks if people are coming to the club meeting. When they say no, other people "kidnap" them. This has sparked outrage due to the current political climate as well as who posted it. While it was definitely insensitive and an oversight, I think it's important to consider that this is a trend. For example, in a reel posted before that post that has since been taken down, students in TJ SGA (Student Government Association) also asked if people were coming to a football game and "assaulted" people who weren't coming. However, only the MSA post has been scrutinized so heavily, and I think we all know why.
Also, the keffiyeh is just a symbol of standing with Palestine. It's not alluding to terrorism, and it is NO way the equivalent of a noose. It's not comparable to kidnapping black people, because they didn't use Jewish kids for the kidnapped people.
So many of you are just being blatantly racist. One or two videos by a few kids does not define a culture of two billion, especially when it's a TREND. MSA should not be disbanded because of a few kids' actions, and besides, refusing to allow the club to congregate would be a violation of the first amendment.
Suspension is also too far in my opinion. Yes, they should have gotten a consequence, but for TJ kids, a suspension is one of the worst things that can happen to you. Those students are absolutely cooked for college admissions now.
I'd also like to point out that everyone at TJ is outraged over this suspension, including Jewish kids. I've seen countless stories and notes on Instagram complaining over the handling of this situation and calling for action. Here's a letter shared on Instagram from TJ ASG: https://www.instagram.com/p/DQYCmBoDJk4/?img_index=1
I believe the student body is so mad because we all understand the club culture at TJ; I encourage all of you to look at reels posted by other TJ clubs. It's extremely common to make reels for clubs, and other clubs have posted similar reels in the past. The reels are usually very lighthearted and are for fun.
Responding to the argument that "TJ kids should know better": You're overestimating us. Yes, we have some very bright kids, but we are still just teenagers. Please try to be more understanding. Our frontal lobes are not fully developed, which is why the posters of the reel didn't think of the implications.
Thank you for your time.


I want to thank you for posting this. I think you raise some excellent points. The strongest point you made is this is something that other clubs were doing, a part of a nationwide trend. If so, then why punish one club over the others?

My opinion: I would not suspend the kids over this. It's assuming violent intents on the part of Muslim students, and Muslim students alone, while ignoring everyone else. School systems can't turn a blind eye to the trend, then frantically issue suspensions when one group does it.

I do understand the negative optics of this video, but then again, I'm an adult news junkie. These are kids. What's more, these are kids with access to social media and are going to make mistakes. Again, I don't think people should be assuming violent or antisemitic intents on behalf of these students, and schools AND parents should definitely be taking steps to help their kids learn more thoughtful, cautious social media behavior. Because once it's out on the internet, it's everywhere and will never be fully erased.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I'm going to give some perspective on this as a TJ student. I seem to be one of the only students frequenting this forum, and I think context would greatly help. I can't speak for Langley, but I'll share my TJ experience.
In the TJ video, a girl asks if people are coming to the club meeting. When they say no, other people "kidnap" them. This has sparked outrage due to the current political climate as well as who posted it. While it was definitely insensitive and an oversight, I think it's important to consider that this is a trend. For example, in a reel posted before that post that has since been taken down, students in TJ SGA (Student Government Association) also asked if people were coming to a football game and "assaulted" people who weren't coming. However, only the MSA post has been scrutinized so heavily, and I think we all know why.
Also, the keffiyeh is just a symbol of standing with Palestine. It's not alluding to terrorism, and it is NO way the equivalent of a noose. It's not comparable to kidnapping black people, because they didn't use Jewish kids for the kidnapped people.
So many of you are just being blatantly racist. One or two videos by a few kids does not define a culture of two billion, especially when it's a TREND. MSA should not be disbanded because of a few kids' actions, and besides, refusing to allow the club to congregate would be a violation of the first amendment.
Suspension is also too far in my opinion. Yes, they should have gotten a consequence, but for TJ kids, a suspension is one of the worst things that can happen to you. Those students are absolutely cooked for college admissions now.
I'd also like to point out that everyone at TJ is outraged over this suspension, including Jewish kids. I've seen countless stories and notes on Instagram complaining over the handling of this situation and calling for action. Here's a letter shared on Instagram from TJ ASG: https://www.instagram.com/p/DQYCmBoDJk4/?img_index=1
I believe the student body is so mad because we all understand the club culture at TJ; I encourage all of you to look at reels posted by other TJ clubs. It's extremely common to make reels for clubs, and other clubs have posted similar reels in the past. The reels are usually very lighthearted and are for fun.
Responding to the argument that "TJ kids should know better": You're overestimating us. Yes, we have some very bright kids, but we are still just teenagers. Please try to be more understanding. Our frontal lobes are not fully developed, which is why the posters of the reel didn't think of the implications.
Thank you for your time.

I think you have made some good points and are obviously a smart kid. What matters here is context and these kids will hopefully learn a lesson from this.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm going to give some perspective on this as a TJ student. I seem to be one of the only students frequenting this forum, and I think context would greatly help. I can't speak for Langley, but I'll share my TJ experience.
In the TJ video, a girl asks if people are coming to the club meeting. When they say no, other people "kidnap" them. This has sparked outrage due to the current political climate as well as who posted it. While it was definitely insensitive and an oversight, I think it's important to consider that this is a trend. For example, in a reel posted before that post that has since been taken down, students in TJ SGA (Student Government Association) also asked if people were coming to a football game and "assaulted" people who weren't coming. However, only the MSA post has been scrutinized so heavily, and I think we all know why.
Also, the keffiyeh is just a symbol of standing with Palestine. It's not alluding to terrorism, and it is NO way the equivalent of a noose. It's not comparable to kidnapping black people, because they didn't use Jewish kids for the kidnapped people.
So many of you are just being blatantly racist. One or two videos by a few kids does not define a culture of two billion, especially when it's a TREND. MSA should not be disbanded because of a few kids' actions, and besides, refusing to allow the club to congregate would be a violation of the first amendment.
Suspension is also too far in my opinion. Yes, they should have gotten a consequence, but for TJ kids, a suspension is one of the worst things that can happen to you. Those students are absolutely cooked for college admissions now.
I'd also like to point out that everyone at TJ is outraged over this suspension, including Jewish kids. I've seen countless stories and notes on Instagram complaining over the handling of this situation and calling for action. Here's a letter shared on Instagram from TJ ASG: https://www.instagram.com/p/DQYCmBoDJk4/?img_index=1
I believe the student body is so mad because we all understand the club culture at TJ; I encourage all of you to look at reels posted by other TJ clubs. It's extremely common to make reels for clubs, and other clubs have posted similar reels in the past. The reels are usually very lighthearted and are for fun.
Responding to the argument that "TJ kids should know better": You're overestimating us. Yes, we have some very bright kids, but we are still just teenagers. Please try to be more understanding. Our frontal lobes are not fully developed, which is why the posters of the reel didn't think of the implications.
Thank you for your time.


I want to thank you for posting this. I think you raise some excellent points. The strongest point you made is this is something that other clubs were doing, a part of a nationwide trend. If so, then why punish one club over the others?

My opinion: I would not suspend the kids over this. It's assuming violent intents on the part of Muslim students, and Muslim students alone, while ignoring everyone else. School systems can't turn a blind eye to the trend, then frantically issue suspensions when one group does it.

I do understand the negative optics of this video, but then again, I'm an adult news junkie. These are kids. What's more, these are kids with access to social media and are going to make mistakes. Again, I don't think people should be assuming violent or antisemitic intents on behalf of these students, and schools AND parents should definitely be taking steps to help their kids learn more thoughtful, cautious social media behavior. Because once it's out on the internet, it's everywhere and will never be fully erased.


So by this logic, any student who destroyed school property, if they said did because a devious licks trend, they shouldn’t have consequence? Or no consequences if try to spark a fire with a school-issued Chromebook because a trend? Or is point to make sure to punish all who filmed videos like this at school and for school clubs? If the last, haven’t seen anyone here post other club videos like this, but if you have, send the links to those videos to the schools and Gatehouse so they can take action with those clubs too.
Anonymous
To those defending this:

1. Please post links of non MSAs using Hostage taking to promote. I saw one video of picking people up and bringing them to the meeting that was for a Christian group, but there was no covering their face, dragging them off or stuffing into a trunk. It was simply picking up 2 students.

2. The islamaphobia defense doesn't work here. No Muslim I know claims the right to reenact hostage-taking as part of their culture not do they allow their kids to join high school MSAs because know the history and are familiar with the radical views of some of the speakers and sponsors.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm going to give some perspective on this as a TJ student. I seem to be one of the only students frequenting this forum, and I think context would greatly help. I can't speak for Langley, but I'll share my TJ experience.
In the TJ video, a girl asks if people are coming to the club meeting. When they say no, other people "kidnap" them. This has sparked outrage due to the current political climate as well as who posted it. While it was definitely insensitive and an oversight, I think it's important to consider that this is a trend. For example, in a reel posted before that post that has since been taken down, students in TJ SGA (Student Government Association) also asked if people were coming to a football game and "assaulted" people who weren't coming. However, only the MSA post has been scrutinized so heavily, and I think we all know why.
Also, the keffiyeh is just a symbol of standing with Palestine. It's not alluding to terrorism, and it is NO way the equivalent of a noose. It's not comparable to kidnapping black people, because they didn't use Jewish kids for the kidnapped people.
So many of you are just being blatantly racist. One or two videos by a few kids does not define a culture of two billion, especially when it's a TREND. MSA should not be disbanded because of a few kids' actions, and besides, refusing to allow the club to congregate would be a violation of the first amendment.
Suspension is also too far in my opinion. Yes, they should have gotten a consequence, but for TJ kids, a suspension is one of the worst things that can happen to you. Those students are absolutely cooked for college admissions now.
I'd also like to point out that everyone at TJ is outraged over this suspension, including Jewish kids. I've seen countless stories and notes on Instagram complaining over the handling of this situation and calling for action. Here's a letter shared on Instagram from TJ ASG: https://www.instagram.com/p/DQYCmBoDJk4/?img_index=1
I believe the student body is so mad because we all understand the club culture at TJ; I encourage all of you to look at reels posted by other TJ clubs. It's extremely common to make reels for clubs, and other clubs have posted similar reels in the past. The reels are usually very lighthearted and are for fun.
Responding to the argument that "TJ kids should know better": You're overestimating us. Yes, we have some very bright kids, but we are still just teenagers. Please try to be more understanding. Our frontal lobes are not fully developed, which is why the posters of the reel didn't think of the implications.
Thank you for your time.


It is the equivalent of wearing a white hood.

If this is what the kids think, then you need a solid life lesson. Put yourself in the shoes of the tiny handful of Jewish students in Fairfax County and at your school. Many of them feel like they have to hide their identity. Many of them feel like they have to pretend to be okay with open antisemitism to keep friends. Many of them feel hurt, targeted and rejected by kids who 2 years ago were their friends.

Think of that MSA student group having a celebratory spirit day on October 7th, the most tragic single day since the holocaust, and how that looked and felt to the jewish kids, your former friends.

At best, those TJ students have been tone deaf and are trivilizing antisemitism because of their ignorance and poor judgement. At worse, they are embracing and celebrating the most horrifying and significant act of antisemitism in the lifetime of your Jewish classmates.

Put yourself in the shoes of the handful of your classmates who are Jewish. Use your brain power and think beyond yourself and social media toxicity.


I think you need to put yourself into the shoes of Muslims as well. I'd like to invite you to use your brain power and think beyond your own worldview.
I'm not saying that Jewish students don't face some form of antisemitism, and even though I personally haven't seen any of that at TJ, I'm not going to pretend that there's not the strong likelihood of that happening. However, Muslim students also face heavy discrimination. Just look at this entire thread. Unfortunately, both Jewish and Muslim kids are vilified because of the situation in the Middle East. I'm not going to go too deep into politics right now, but I believe that both sides have done bad things. October 7th was a tragic event and deeply disturbing. However, there's also a genocide going on in Palestine. It's a lose lose situation.
Thank you for telling me about the spirit day; I was not aware of that. They should not have done that. However, the keffiyeh is not comparable to a white hood in any shape or form. It's a sign of being against the genocide in Palestine, and does not mean you support Hamas. Feel free to research it.
Also, since when did I ever imply that I'm no longer friends with Jewish kids? What do you mean, former friends? I'm still friends with many Jewish kids. I also have some Muslim friends. I don't demonize an entire culture because of associated politics outside of their control.


The victims are the ones who get to say what the hood, or in this case, thd keffiyeh, represents.

You would never tell an African American person that a hood doesn't represent what they say it does because the white supremacist claims otherwise.

Don't do that to the Jewish community either.
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