Accreditors are considering dropping diversity requirements

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Choosing someone for their race constitutes discriminating against someone else for their race in college applications. And of course that should be illegal.

How would people like it if some college said, “We require at least 95% white people! Oh we aren’t discriminating against black people really! We just want at least 95% white people.” Everyone would be outraged.

We should also avoid scenario 2. What’s clear amongst republicans is they want an outright reduction and make it near impossible for poor students and students of color to enter higher ed, at least the highest rungs of higher ed. They continue to sue schools who don’t have the type of diversity they want and continue to perpetuate the idea that black students are inherently worse applicants.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism). First-gen / low-income students are given aid based on their financial status, not race.

Sorry, but the color of your skin should not dictate the amount of aid or preference you get.

Thank you for not addressing my comment. There are currently many issues related to financial aid hurting the poor right now as we speak, particularly for professional school. But yeah, advocate for the poor while doing nothing but sitting on your ass and complaining about black people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would hope that we aren’t supporting the idea of being fine with schools discriminating just because the far right mod of to blame everything on DEI. It’s concerning how quickly everyone is forcing the pendulum in the exact opposite direction. People need to accept a bit of balance.

100%. I am against hiring on the basis of race, and therefore I have never been a big fan of affirmative action. But now what I am seeing is that the people crying "racism" against white and asian people are ones who don't mind racism towards black and hispanic people.

Specify what racism? It’s so obvious you’re just pretending to be a moderate.

You're either willfully ignorant or blind.

I take it you have nothing concrete.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As I think someone said above, it is sad that we are constantly swinging from one extreme to the other. Some basic diversity is good. We went way too far in the direction of DEI where schools were tripping over each other to show how diverse they were. And they would get brownie points for accepting the kids of black Goldman and Wachtell partners graduating from Dalton and Exeter who were in no way contributing to diversity.

What Trump is doing is going too far in the opposite direction. It is a total over-reaction. Which is not helpful either. He is fixated on a few examples of how the process was not good and fooling people into thinking those problems are universal.

Schools should try to get diverse student bodies. And in the rare case where things truly are 100% equal, take the poor first gen kid over the rich suburban kid. But schools should not have quotas (whether actual or implied) that they have to meet.

NYT had an article a year or two ago about the percentage of students who received federal aid. Duke was at the bottom of the list, though just barely, but they were chosen as the one to focus on and harass. As a result, Duke felt the need to significantly grow programs targeting these groups. Which is ridiculous. It is virtue-signaling.

And no, admissions just based on stats would be awful.

+1, i think the elimination of subjectivity would create extremely dull classes of students. I also think it's a positive that elite college admissions pushes students to be creative problem solvers who actually attempt at changing the world, rather than solely spending their high school years memorizing facts of thermodynamics or apoptosis. It's great to have engineers, but we also need entrepreneurs and people who are actually going to shape the world, rather than obey the rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Choosing someone for their race constitutes discriminating against someone else for their race in college applications. And of course that should be illegal.

How would people like it if some college said, “We require at least 95% white people! Oh we aren’t discriminating against black people really! We just want at least 95% white people.” Everyone would be outraged.

We should also avoid scenario 2. What’s clear amongst republicans is they want an outright reduction and make it near impossible for poor students and students of color to enter higher ed, at least the highest rungs of higher ed. They continue to sue schools who don’t have the type of diversity they want and continue to perpetuate the idea that black students are inherently worse applicants.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism). First-gen / low-income students are given aid based on their financial status, not race.

Sorry, but the color of your skin should not dictate the amount of aid or preference you get.

Thank you for not addressing my comment. There are currently many issues related to financial aid hurting the poor right now as we speak, particularly for professional school. But yeah, advocate for the poor while doing nothing but sitting on your ass and complaining about black people.

Wow, the chip on your shoulder must be visible from space - your victim complex certainly is.

I said nothing at all about black people - OTC, it’s YOU who is absolutely fixated on the color of people’s skin. You know what that’s called? Racism.

[Anonymous]

Only on DCUM is the average black ivy student mythically much wealthier than the rest of the student body.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would hope that we aren’t supporting the idea of being fine with schools discriminating just because the far right mod of to blame everything on DEI. It’s concerning how quickly everyone is forcing the pendulum in the exact opposite direction. People need to accept a bit of balance.

100%. I am against hiring on the basis of race, and therefore I have never been a big fan of affirmative action. But now what I am seeing is that the people crying "racism" against white and asian people are ones who don't mind racism towards black and hispanic people.

Specify what racism? It’s so obvious you’re just pretending to be a moderate.

You're either willfully ignorant or blind.

I take it you have nothing concrete.

Dude, you just spewed a lot of racist commentary in this forum. Look in the mirror!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Choosing someone for their race constitutes discriminating against someone else for their race in college applications. And of course that should be illegal.

How would people like it if some college said, “We require at least 95% white people! Oh we aren’t discriminating against black people really! We just want at least 95% white people.” Everyone would be outraged.

We should also avoid scenario 2. What’s clear amongst republicans is they want an outright reduction and make it near impossible for poor students and students of color to enter higher ed, at least the highest rungs of higher ed. They continue to sue schools who don’t have the type of diversity they want and continue to perpetuate the idea that black students are inherently worse applicants.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism). First-gen / low-income students are given aid based on their financial status, not race.

Sorry, but the color of your skin should not dictate the amount of aid or preference you get.

Thank you for not addressing my comment. There are currently many issues related to financial aid hurting the poor right now as we speak, particularly for professional school. But yeah, advocate for the poor while doing nothing but sitting on your ass and complaining about black people.

Wow, the chip on your shoulder must be visible from space - your victim complex certainly is.

I said nothing at all about black people - OTC, it’s YOU who is absolutely fixated on the color of people’s skin. You know what that’s called? Racism.

My victim complex of not wanting poor students to be barred from going to med schools because they cant afford it without predatory loans? You are the one emphasizing race, dingbat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Choosing someone for their race constitutes discriminating against someone else for their race in college applications. And of course that should be illegal.

How would people like it if some college said, “We require at least 95% white people! Oh we aren’t discriminating against black people really! We just want at least 95% white people.” Everyone would be outraged.

We should also avoid scenario 2. What’s clear amongst republicans is they want an outright reduction and make it near impossible for poor students and students of color to enter higher ed, at least the highest rungs of higher ed. They continue to sue schools who don’t have the type of diversity they want and continue to perpetuate the idea that black students are inherently worse applicants.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism). First-gen / low-income students are given aid based on their financial status, not race.

Sorry, but the color of your skin should not dictate the amount of aid or preference you get.

Thank you for not addressing my comment. There are currently many issues related to financial aid hurting the poor right now as we speak, particularly for professional school. But yeah, advocate for the poor while doing nothing but sitting on your ass and complaining about black people.

Wow, the chip on your shoulder must be visible from space - your victim complex certainly is.

I said nothing at all about black people - OTC, it’s YOU who is absolutely fixated on the color of people’s skin. You know what that’s called? Racism.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism).

Favoritism of who? Who's receiving all this favoritism? What group could you possibly be talking about? Myanmar-Americans? White-Descendants-of-Italians? The Iroquois? You totally didn't skirt around saying what you really meant by just saying race, right

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As I think someone said above, it is sad that we are constantly swinging from one extreme to the other. Some basic diversity is good. We went way too far in the direction of DEI where schools were tripping over each other to show how diverse they were. And they would get brownie points for accepting the kids of black Goldman and Wachtell partners graduating from Dalton and Exeter who were in no way contributing to diversity.

What Trump is doing is going too far in the opposite direction. It is a total over-reaction. Which is not helpful either. He is fixated on a few examples of how the process was not good and fooling people into thinking those problems are universal.

Schools should try to get diverse student bodies. And in the rare case where things truly are 100% equal, take the poor first gen kid over the rich suburban kid. But schools should not have quotas (whether actual or implied) that they have to meet.

NYT had an article a year or two ago about the percentage of students who received federal aid. Duke was at the bottom of the list, though just barely, but they were chosen as the one to focus on and harass. As a result, Duke felt the need to significantly grow programs targeting these groups. Which is ridiculous. It is virtue-signaling.

And no, admissions just based on stats would be awful.

+1, i think the elimination of subjectivity would create extremely dull classes of students. I also think it's a positive that elite college admissions pushes students to be creative problem solvers who actually attempt at changing the world, rather than solely spending their high school years memorizing facts of thermodynamics or apoptosis. It's great to have engineers, but we also need entrepreneurs and people who are actually going to shape the world, rather than obey the rules.

This completely misses the point of how creativity and problem-solving are actually demonstrated, especially at the high school level. The idea that admissions essays somehow reflect true creative potential is, frankly, naive. Anyone can hire a consultant to polish their “change the world” story into a compelling narrative. Essays measure polish, not depth. They measure storytelling, not original thinking.

If you want to find students who are truly capable of independent, structured, and creative thought, you have to look at what they can do—not what they can say.

Solving difficult proof-based math Olympiad problems is not about memorizing formulas or grinding out repetitive exercises. These problems are open-ended, require original insight, and often demand approaches no textbook ever teaches. They reward deep understanding, logical precision, and creative leaps. You can’t fake your way through them. There’s no consultant whispering the next step to you.

Let me put it plainly: writing an emotionally stirring essay about founding a nonprofit to recycle shoes in Ghana might impress a reader. But solving a USAMO geometry proof problem from a blank page? That shows a different kind of intellect, one that’s capable of structuring thoughts rigorously, attacking unfamiliar problems, and thinking beyond the obvious. That kind of brain doesn’t just memorize; it builds.

So no, elite admissions shouldn’t lean harder into essays and fluff. If anything, they should raise the bar for what real problem-solving and creativity look like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Only on DCUM is the average black ivy student mythically much wealthier than the rest of the student body.

They are not poor as you depicted. So it was all about racial quota, nothing about helping the poor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Choosing someone for their race constitutes discriminating against someone else for their race in college applications. And of course that should be illegal.

How would people like it if some college said, “We require at least 95% white people! Oh we aren’t discriminating against black people really! We just want at least 95% white people.” Everyone would be outraged.

We should also avoid scenario 2. What’s clear amongst republicans is they want an outright reduction and make it near impossible for poor students and students of color to enter higher ed, at least the highest rungs of higher ed. They continue to sue schools who don’t have the type of diversity they want and continue to perpetuate the idea that black students are inherently worse applicants.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism). First-gen / low-income students are given aid based on their financial status, not race.

Sorry, but the color of your skin should not dictate the amount of aid or preference you get.

Thank you for not addressing my comment. There are currently many issues related to financial aid hurting the poor right now as we speak, particularly for professional school. But yeah, advocate for the poor while doing nothing but sitting on your ass and complaining about black people.

Wow, the chip on your shoulder must be visible from space - your victim complex certainly is.

I said nothing at all about black people - OTC, it’s YOU who is absolutely fixated on the color of people’s skin. You know what that’s called? Racism.

My victim complex of not wanting poor students to be barred from going to med schools because they cant afford it without predatory loans? You are the one emphasizing race, dingbat.

I’ve said that race should not be a consideration at all. But trust you to twist that into something totally different. Low-income students are all races. Financial aid should be based on finances, not race.

And “predatory loans” are exactly why they should be limited. Why should anyone be able to borrow huge amounts that they’re never going to be able to pay back? Logic is clearly not your strong suit.

These med schools offer FREE tuition to any student bright enough to get in. Dingbat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Choosing someone for their race constitutes discriminating against someone else for their race in college applications. And of course that should be illegal.

How would people like it if some college said, “We require at least 95% white people! Oh we aren’t discriminating against black people really! We just want at least 95% white people.” Everyone would be outraged.

We should also avoid scenario 2. What’s clear amongst republicans is they want an outright reduction and make it near impossible for poor students and students of color to enter higher ed, at least the highest rungs of higher ed. They continue to sue schools who don’t have the type of diversity they want and continue to perpetuate the idea that black students are inherently worse applicants.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism). First-gen / low-income students are given aid based on their financial status, not race.

Sorry, but the color of your skin should not dictate the amount of aid or preference you get.

Thank you for not addressing my comment. There are currently many issues related to financial aid hurting the poor right now as we speak, particularly for professional school. But yeah, advocate for the poor while doing nothing but sitting on your ass and complaining about black people.

Wow, the chip on your shoulder must be visible from space - your victim complex certainly is.

I said nothing at all about black people - OTC, it’s YOU who is absolutely fixated on the color of people’s skin. You know what that’s called? Racism.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism).

Favoritism of who? Who's receiving all this favoritism? What group could you possibly be talking about? Myanmar-Americans? White-Descendants-of-Italians? The Iroquois? You totally didn't skirt around saying what you really meant by just saying race, right

You are utterly unhinged. I truly have no idea what you’re ranting about, and it’s pretty clear you don’t either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Choosing someone for their race constitutes discriminating against someone else for their race in college applications. And of course that should be illegal.

How would people like it if some college said, “We require at least 95% white people! Oh we aren’t discriminating against black people really! We just want at least 95% white people.” Everyone would be outraged.

We should also avoid scenario 2. What’s clear amongst republicans is they want an outright reduction and make it near impossible for poor students and students of color to enter higher ed, at least the highest rungs of higher ed. They continue to sue schools who don’t have the type of diversity they want and continue to perpetuate the idea that black students are inherently worse applicants.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism). First-gen / low-income students are given aid based on their financial status, not race.

Sorry, but the color of your skin should not dictate the amount of aid or preference you get.

Thank you for not addressing my comment. There are currently many issues related to financial aid hurting the poor right now as we speak, particularly for professional school. But yeah, advocate for the poor while doing nothing but sitting on your ass and complaining about black people.

Wow, the chip on your shoulder must be visible from space - your victim complex certainly is.

I said nothing at all about black people - OTC, it’s YOU who is absolutely fixated on the color of people’s skin. You know what that’s called? Racism.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism).

Favoritism of who? Who's receiving all this favoritism? What group could you possibly be talking about? Myanmar-Americans? White-Descendants-of-Italians? The Iroquois? You totally didn't skirt around saying what you really meant by just saying race, right

You are utterly unhinged. I truly have no idea what you’re ranting about, and it’s pretty clear you don’t either.

It’s literally your words?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Choosing someone for their race constitutes discriminating against someone else for their race in college applications. And of course that should be illegal.

How would people like it if some college said, “We require at least 95% white people! Oh we aren’t discriminating against black people really! We just want at least 95% white people.” Everyone would be outraged.

We should also avoid scenario 2. What’s clear amongst republicans is they want an outright reduction and make it near impossible for poor students and students of color to enter higher ed, at least the highest rungs of higher ed. They continue to sue schools who don’t have the type of diversity they want and continue to perpetuate the idea that black students are inherently worse applicants.

That is sheer BS. The only thing at issue is RACE-based discrimination (or favoritism). First-gen / low-income students are given aid based on their financial status, not race.

Sorry, but the color of your skin should not dictate the amount of aid or preference you get.

Thank you for not addressing my comment. There are currently many issues related to financial aid hurting the poor right now as we speak, particularly for professional school. But yeah, advocate for the poor while doing nothing but sitting on your ass and complaining about black people.

Wow, the chip on your shoulder must be visible from space - your victim complex certainly is.

I said nothing at all about black people - OTC, it’s YOU who is absolutely fixated on the color of people’s skin. You know what that’s called? Racism.

My victim complex of not wanting poor students to be barred from going to med schools because they cant afford it without predatory loans? You are the one emphasizing race, dingbat.

I’ve said that race should not be a consideration at all. But trust you to twist that into something totally different. Low-income students are all races. Financial aid should be based on finances, not race.

And “predatory loans” are exactly why they should be limited. Why should anyone be able to borrow huge amounts that they’re never going to be able to pay back? Logic is clearly not your strong suit.

These med schools offer FREE tuition to any student bright enough to get in. Dingbat.

Predatory loans aren’t being limited though? You’re not understanding. Federal loan guarantees are being reduced so you have to either have wealthy parents or parents with good credit. There are students right now who are delaying med school until after the trump admin because these loan policies make it so poor students don’t go to college.

Also no, med schools don’t offer free tuition. It’s nothing like undergrad, and it is expected you take out a lot of debt. You are really unaware yet so brazenly confident, it’s disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only on DCUM is the average black ivy student mythically much wealthier than the rest of the student body.

They are not poor as you depicted. So it was all about racial quota, nothing about helping the poor.

I didn’t depict anything about black peoples wealth. I definitely don’t think they’re any wealthier than any other race of students.