Between Gaza and Iran, has Israel gone too far?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, Hamas's invasion of Israel on October 7th presented Israel with an opportunity to completely remake the strategic map in the region. Israel has been systematically destroying all of Iran's proxy forces. First, there was Hamas of course. The entire leadership is now gone and besides terrorizing locals in Gaza, Hamas really can't do much anymore. Hezbollah has mostly been destroyed in Lebanon. The pager and walkie talkie attacks were brilliant and once Nasrallah was killed, it was game over for Hezbollah. The Assad regime has been toppled in Syria and Iran lost a critical ally. Without Assad, Iran can't support Hamas or Hezbollah. And now Israel has established air dominance over Iran itself and is systematically destroying Iran's capacity to project power. I can assure you everyone in Riyadh, Amman, and elsewhere in the Middle East is quietly but enthusiastically supportive of Israel right now. So from a strategic point of view, this has been a very good year for Israel and the predominantly Sunni countries in the Gulf.

This is the smartest thing that’s been posted on DCUM in months.

Agreed. When it comes to amassing civilian casualties and killing children, this has not just been a very good year, but an absolutely unprecedented year for Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks, borders will be redrawn. The partition of India was far bloodier, and the territory, once it was established as India, Pakistan, or Bangladesh (w/ the exception of Kashmir) has not reverted to prior configuration nor has it been further contested.

The two-state solution is dead. Palestine is a fictional country with no Biblical legitimacy and many missed opportunities to choose the path of peace, prosperity and a passport. The Palestinians should have taken the deal in 1947/48 (Partition), 1993 and 1995 (Oslo), 2000 (Camp David), 2007 (Annapolis), or 2020 (Peace to Prosperity) but they didn't.

10/7/23 was the red line, and it's a whole new strategy as far as Israel is concerned.

And to be clear, if any of the Arab nations or Iran really cared about the Palestinians they would have offered resettlement. Not seeing much enthusiasm for that for obvious reasons--they have created chaos, instability and terror wherever they've gone.

How will war in Iran help with the partition and ethnic cleansing (what you’re asking for) of Palestine?

If anything, this war will help Palestine and hurt Israel.

Don’t forget 10/7 happened because Netanyahu ignored Hamas for a decade in favor of obsessing over Iran and assassinating their nuclear scientists and engineers

Was bibi ignoring Hamas for the past decade, or open funding them to destroy hopes of a two state solution? I have whiplash from the wildly conflicting theories here from the Hamas sympathizers.

Iran was waging war on Israel through proxies - Hamas and Hezbollah, along with the houthis and Syria. After 10/7, israel attacked the proxies and now they’re going in for Iran.

I personally doubt they will be able to destroy or severely set back irans nuclear capabilities, but they’ll stall it. Hopefully without forcing the us into another war a la Iraq.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel will go much further. They're just getting started.

As it should be.

Israel honestly can’t go much further anywhere. reservists are hurting economically and militarily and reservists are disillusioned and traumatized by their experiences in Gaza. Economically, Israel will only grow weaker the longer it keeps reservists in Gaza. Society is being shredded by this and is starting to continuing to wrestle with the fact that the ultra religious that are voting for these hard line policies are experiencing none of the ill effects. The status quo is unsustainable in the long term. And Netanyahu is corrupt and this has been well known within Israel for decades.

This post reminds of me Chris Hedges speech "The Death of Israel"

"By the time Israel achieves its decimation of Gaza — Israel is talking about months of warfare that will continue at least until the end of this year — it will have signed its own death sentence. Its facade of civility, its supposed vaunted respect for the rule of law and democracy, its mythical story of the courageous Israeli military and miraculous birth of the Jewish nation – which it successfully sold to its western audiences – will lie in ash heaps. Israel’s social capital will be spent. It will be revealed as the ugly, repressive, hate-filled apartheid regime it always has been, alienating younger generations of American Jews. Its patron, the United States, as new generations come into power, will distance itself from Israel. Its popular support will come from reactionary Zionists and America’s Christianized fascists who see Israel’s domination of ancient Biblical land as a harbinger of the Second Coming and in its subjugation of Arabs a kindred racism and celebration of white supremacy..."
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"All Israel has left is escalating savagery, including torture and lethal violence against unarmed civilians, which accelerates the decline. This wholesale violence works in the short term, as it did in the war waged by the French in Algeria, the Dirty War waged by Argentina’s military dictatorship, the British occupation of India, Egypt, Kenya and Northern Ireland and the American occupations of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. But in the long term, it is suicidal."

https://x.com/ChrisLynnHedges/status/1802386893201617204

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks, borders will be redrawn. The partition of India was far bloodier, and the territory, once it was established as India, Pakistan, or Bangladesh (w/ the exception of Kashmir) has not reverted to prior configuration nor has it been further contested.

The two-state solution is dead. Palestine is a fictional country with no Biblical legitimacy and many missed opportunities to choose the path of peace, prosperity and a passport. The Palestinians should have taken the deal in 1947/48 (Partition), 1993 and 1995 (Oslo), 2000 (Camp David), 2007 (Annapolis), or 2020 (Peace to Prosperity) but they didn't.

10/7/23 was the red line, and it's a whole new strategy as far as Israel is concerned.

And to be clear, if any of the Arab nations or Iran really cared about the Palestinians they would have offered resettlement. Not seeing much enthusiasm for that for obvious reasons--they have created chaos, instability and terror wherever they've gone.

How will war in Iran help with the partition and ethnic cleansing (what you’re asking for) of Palestine?

If anything, this war will help Palestine and hurt Israel.

Don’t forget 10/7 happened because Netanyahu ignored Hamas for a decade in favor of obsessing over Iran and assassinating their nuclear scientists and engineers

Was bibi ignoring Hamas for the past decade, or open funding them to destroy hopes of a two state solution? I have whiplash from the wildly conflicting theories here from the Hamas sympathizers.

Iran was waging war on Israel through proxies - Hamas and Hezbollah, along with the houthis and Syria. After 10/7, israel attacked the proxies and now they’re going in for Iran.

I personally doubt they will be able to destroy or severely set back irans nuclear capabilities, but they’ll stall it. Hopefully without forcing the us into another war a la Iraq.

Nuclear facilities is a ruse.

Bombing women and children to a million pieces and bombing oil fields (what they’ve done this week) has nothing to do with nuclear facilities.

This is racist genocide at work

[Anonymous]

For people that were victims of racist genocide not even a century ago, you would think they would have more compassion but they think military escalation will make them more respected in the world.

[Anonymous]

It won’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Folks, borders will be redrawn. The partition of India was far bloodier, and the territory, once it was established as India, Pakistan, or Bangladesh (w/ the exception of Kashmir) has not reverted to prior configuration nor has it been further contested.

The two-state solution is dead. Palestine is a fictional country with no Biblical legitimacy and many missed opportunities to choose the path of peace, prosperity and a passport. The Palestinians should have taken the deal in 1947/48 (Partition), 1993 and 1995 (Oslo), 2000 (Camp David), 2007 (Annapolis), or 2020 (Peace to Prosperity) but they didn't.

10/7/23 was the red line, and it's a whole new strategy as far as Israel is concerned.

And to be clear, if any of the Arab nations or Iran really cared about the Palestinians they would have offered resettlement. Not seeing much enthusiasm for that for obvious reasons--they have created chaos, instability and terror wherever they've gone.

Israelis are on record saying they were going to take the land anyway regardless of whether it was partitioned or not. The “deals” were not deals, they were traps.

[Anonymous]

I love the biblical legitimacy argument too. According to Israel, Jesus has no biblical legitimacy either so..

Let’s not act like Judeo Christian is a thing. They’re opposite faiths

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks, borders will be redrawn. The partition of India was far bloodier, and the territory, once it was established as India, Pakistan, or Bangladesh (w/ the exception of Kashmir) has not reverted to prior configuration nor has it been further contested.

The two-state solution is dead. Palestine is a fictional country with no Biblical legitimacy and many missed opportunities to choose the path of peace, prosperity and a passport. The Palestinians should have taken the deal in 1947/48 (Partition), 1993 and 1995 (Oslo), 2000 (Camp David), 2007 (Annapolis), or 2020 (Peace to Prosperity) but they didn't.

10/7/23 was the red line, and it's a whole new strategy as far as Israel is concerned.

And to be clear, if any of the Arab nations or Iran really cared about the Palestinians they would have offered resettlement. Not seeing much enthusiasm for that for obvious reasons--they have created chaos, instability and terror wherever they've gone.

Israelis are on record saying they were going to take the land anyway regardless of whether it was partitioned or not. The “deals” were not deals, they were traps.

Zionists would probably assassinate their own leaders if they accepted any "deal." No need for any type of deal anyways; they have been able to commit genocide with impunity with the backing of the West.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks, borders will be redrawn. The partition of India was far bloodier, and the territory, once it was established as India, Pakistan, or Bangladesh (w/ the exception of Kashmir) has not reverted to prior configuration nor has it been further contested.

The two-state solution is dead. Palestine is a fictional country with no Biblical legitimacy and many missed opportunities to choose the path of peace, prosperity and a passport. The Palestinians should have taken the deal in 1947/48 (Partition), 1993 and 1995 (Oslo), 2000 (Camp David), 2007 (Annapolis), or 2020 (Peace to Prosperity) but they didn't.

10/7/23 was the red line, and it's a whole new strategy as far as Israel is concerned.

And to be clear, if any of the Arab nations or Iran really cared about the Palestinians they would have offered resettlement. Not seeing much enthusiasm for that for obvious reasons--they have created chaos, instability and terror wherever they've gone.

Israelis are on record saying they were going to take the land anyway regardless of whether it was partitioned or not. The “deals” were not deals, they were traps.

Zionists would probably assassinate their own leaders if they accepted any "deal." No need for any type of deal anyways; they have been able to commit genocide with impunity with the backing of the West.

One of the talking points most often employed against the Palestinians is that their rejection of the UN partition plan is the root cause for all the misery and conflict that followed.

Israel fails to mention partition was never their idea and never what they wanted. They will also fail to mention all the UN leaders who worked on partition that they assassinated in 1947-1948.

On 17th September, 1948, Count Folke Bernadotte, a United Nations Mediator for Palestine, was murdered in Jerusalem by a Zionist militant organization. Count Bernadotte's presence in Palestine followed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine and the subsequent unilateral Israeli Declaration of Independence.


Which side is really against peace?

It’s not the Arabs

[Anonymous]

Israel is an assassin of peace.

They killed Arabs that they thought were moderate and wanted to sign for partition. They’ve always acted in bad faith while gaslighting the world into thinking they are the victims and the Arabs are the violent side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel is an assassin of peace.

They killed Arabs that they thought were moderate and wanted to sign for partition. They’ve always acted in bad faith while gaslighting the world into thinking they are the victims and the Arabs are the violent side.

They also assassinated numerous diplomats, negotiators, and other civilians that would have been involved in such a deal.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel is an assassin of peace.

They killed Arabs that they thought were moderate and wanted to sign for partition. They’ve always acted in bad faith while gaslighting the world into thinking they are the victims and the Arabs are the violent side.

Obviously, since everyone knows that Hamas and Iran want only peaceful co-existence, never foment terror, and exude nothing but brotherly love for their Jewish neighbors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Folks, borders will be redrawn. The partition of India was far bloodier, and the territory, once it was established as India, Pakistan, or Bangladesh (w/ the exception of Kashmir) has not reverted to prior configuration nor has it been further contested.

The two-state solution is dead. Palestine is a fictional country with no Biblical legitimacy and many missed opportunities to choose the path of peace, prosperity and a passport. The Palestinians should have taken the deal in 1947/48 (Partition), 1993 and 1995 (Oslo), 2000 (Camp David), 2007 (Annapolis), or 2020 (Peace to Prosperity) but they didn't.

10/7/23 was the red line, and it's a whole new strategy as far as Israel is concerned.

And to be clear, if any of the Arab nations or Iran really cared about the Palestinians they would have offered resettlement. Not seeing much enthusiasm for that for obvious reasons--they have created chaos, instability and terror wherever they've gone.

Israelis are on record saying they were going to take the land anyway regardless of whether it was partitioned or not. The “deals” were not deals, they were traps.

Zionists would probably assassinate their own leaders if they accepted any "deal." No need for any type of deal anyways; they have been able to commit genocide with impunity with the backing of the West.

One of the talking points most often employed against the Palestinians is that their rejection of the UN partition plan is the root cause for all the misery and conflict that followed.

Israel fails to mention partition was never their idea and never what they wanted. They will also fail to mention all the UN leaders who worked on partition that they assassinated in 1947-1948.

On 17th September, 1948, Count Folke Bernadotte, a United Nations Mediator for Palestine, was murdered in Jerusalem by a Zionist militant organization. Count Bernadotte's presence in Palestine followed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine and the subsequent unilateral Israeli Declaration of Independence.


Which side is really against peace?

It’s not the Arabs

The Arabs rejected the partition plan and their opportunity for their own country, end of story. Ever since, they have regretted it, and cry that they only want their own country. Of course, those cries occur routinely only after their latest unsuccessful terror attacks and after they once again suffer retaliatory losses they should have anticipated but did not. Talk about hypocrisy.