GA1 vs ECNL RL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why people (mostly ECNL parents) try to compare ECRL with GA.

- GA is always a clubs top team and first choice players.
- ECRL is always a clubs second team and second choice players.

If the funnel of youngers to olders talent is the same amount, coaching is the same, and you exclude poaching talent from other clubs GA will always be better than ECRL.

The only time an ECRL club might compare to some level of GA club is when the club doesn't have ECNL and RL is the highest level. Even then most clubs with only RL will have their top players poached away.

This isn’t accurate. For 2010s, the following RL teams will beat area GA teams.

- Strikers
- VA United
- Reign
- Arlington RL
- Vienna
- VSA, Loudoun, and GFR would also be competitive.

And those are just the VA teams. If I start adding other states (ie the NC RL teams) it gets worse.

I don’t see Loudoun and MYS flipping to GA as materially changing that, except to dilute the GA player pool a little.

For this year there are only 3 GA teams in the area. And looks like SYC and VRSC are comparable to the teams you listed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why people (mostly ECNL parents) try to compare ECRL with GA.

- GA is always a clubs top team and first choice players.
- ECRL is always a clubs second team and second choice players.

If the funnel of youngers to olders talent is the same amount, coaching is the same, and you exclude poaching talent from other clubs GA will always be better than ECRL.

The only time an ECRL club might compare to some level of GA club is when the club doesn't have ECNL and RL is the highest level. Even then most clubs with only RL will have their top players poached away.

This isn’t accurate. For 2010s, the following RL teams will beat area GA teams.

- Strikers
- VA United
- Reign
- Arlington RL
- Vienna
- VSA, Loudoun, and GFR would also be competitive.

And those are just the VA teams. If I start adding other states (ie the NC RL teams) it gets worse.

I don’t see Loudoun and MYS flipping to GA as materially changing that, except to dilute the GA player pool a little.

Older DMV GA teams in my opinion are not representative of what will happen over time. Last year, FCV was only local GA team and their 2010s were competitive with all the local ECNL teams and would have destroyed any local RL team. When FCV blew up, those players scattered, a few followed CC to VRSC, a few followed BP to VDA, and the rest went to other local ECNL teams. So this year’s VRSC 2010s are a partial squad, and they’re still competitive will all and better than a few of the RL teams you listed. Same story for a different reason with SYC. By the time they got their GA team this season, their first team 2010s were already imbedded in Union and didn’t come back for the new SYC GA program. So I don’t think the current 2010 GA squads at VRSC and SYC are representative of what those clubs will produce in the future. Time will tell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why people (mostly ECNL parents) try to compare ECRL with GA.

- GA is always a clubs top team and first choice players.
- ECRL is always a clubs second team and second choice players.

If the funnel of youngers to olders talent is the same amount, coaching is the same, and you exclude poaching talent from other clubs GA will always be better than ECRL.

The only time an ECRL club might compare to some level of GA club is when the club doesn't have ECNL and RL is the highest level. Even then most clubs with only RL will have their top players poached away.

This isn’t accurate. For 2010s, the following RL teams will beat area GA teams.

- Strikers
- VA United
- Reign
- Arlington RL
- Vienna
- VSA, Loudoun, and GFR would also be competitive.

And those are just the VA teams. If I start adding other states (ie the NC RL teams) it gets worse.

I don’t see Loudoun and MYS flipping to GA as materially changing that, except to dilute the GA player pool a little.

For this year there are only 3 GA teams in the area. And looks like SYC and VRSC are comparable to the teams you listed.

Those teams may beat the last 4 of GA in mid Atlantic. But trust me the top of the table is as good as too half of ECNL .

[Anonymous]

Stop comparing GA to ECRL. Whoever created the topic is clearly misinformed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing GA to ECRL. Whoever created the topic is clearly misinformed.

I’m with you, but I think the rapid growth of GA teams in the area is going to leave some of those teams (especially TSJFC and Alex) more like a RL team than a GA team. I’m a GA fan, but I would have preferred my DD play for a couple of local RL teams this season than for TSJFC. They were just that bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing GA to ECRL. Whoever created the topic is clearly misinformed.

I’m with you, but I think the rapid growth of GA teams in the area is going to leave some of those teams (especially TSJFC and Alex) more like a RL team than a GA team. I’m a GA fan, but I would have preferred my DD play for a couple of local RL teams this season than for TSJFC. They were just that bad.

GA teams are clubs 1st team

ECRL teams are clubs 2nd team

It's this simple. ECNL parents are trying their best to equate GA with ECRL to elevate themselves. People aren't buying it. ECNL parents are getting desperate.

[Anonymous]

I agree with the top GA teams probably being a better choice, but time will tell what those end up being with all the new clubs being added, those dissolved, and the constant changes. All the changes that make parents constantly shop around is the issue so it’s impossible to really know anything other than what’s true right now. And what’s true right now could be totally different a year from now.
I disagree with RL always being the second team though, there are many clubs with RL as their top team, and some are good and some not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the top GA teams probably being a better choice, but time will tell what those end up being with all the new clubs being added, those dissolved, and the constant changes. All the changes that make parents constantly shop around is the issue so it’s impossible to really know anything other than what’s true right now. And what’s true right now could be totally different a year from now.
I disagree with RL always being the second team though, there are many clubs with RL as their top team, and some are good and some not.

If a club only has ECRL and they consistently do well. They'll get promoted to ECNL and ECRL. The best players will make the top team and everyone else will play om the ECRL team and it will be terrible.

You can cherry pick here and there about ECRL teams. But if you're going to do that cherry pick GA as well and watch the GA teams destroy ECRL teams.

The bottom line is that ECRL is a league primarily for 2nd teams. GA is a league for 1st teams. They don't compare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the top GA teams probably being a better choice, but time will tell what those end up being with all the new clubs being added, those dissolved, and the constant changes. All the changes that make parents constantly shop around is the issue so it’s impossible to really know anything other than what’s true right now. And what’s true right now could be totally different a year from now.
I disagree with RL always being the second team though, there are many clubs with RL as their top team, and some are good and some not.

If a club only has ECRL and they consistently do well. They'll get promoted to ECNL and ECRL. The best players will make the top team and everyone else will play om the ECRL team and it will be terrible.

You can cherry pick here and there about ECRL teams. But if you're going to do that cherry pick GA as well and watch the GA teams destroy ECRL teams.

The bottom line is that ECRL is a league primarily for 2nd teams. GA is a league for 1st teams. They don't compare.

This simply isn’t true and ignores the fact that many (most?) ECNL clubs are now combos of other clubs, drawing a few players from each.

VSA, GFR, VYS, PWSI, BRYC, etc all have their top teams in ECRL. As does Strikers, Kickers, etc.

The only club in the area that does not is Arlington, and they have shown their second teams are often better than most clubs’ first teams.

MYS moving their green team from ECRL to GA is a perfect example of this. The players that can make Union will still go to ECNL, and we’re seeing that with the u13s. The remainder will stay on Green as their first team. Literally no different than Vienna and BRYC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the top GA teams probably being a better choice, but time will tell what those end up being with all the new clubs being added, those dissolved, and the constant changes. All the changes that make parents constantly shop around is the issue so it’s impossible to really know anything other than what’s true right now. And what’s true right now could be totally different a year from now.
I disagree with RL always being the second team though, there are many clubs with RL as their top team, and some are good and some not.

If a club only has ECRL and they consistently do well. They'll get promoted to ECNL and ECRL. The best players will make the top team and everyone else will play om the ECRL team and it will be terrible.

You can cherry pick here and there about ECRL teams. But if you're going to do that cherry pick GA as well and watch the GA teams destroy ECRL teams.

The bottom line is that ECRL is a league primarily for 2nd teams. GA is a league for 1st teams. They don't compare.

This simply isn’t true and ignores the fact that many (most?) ECNL clubs are now combos of other clubs, drawing a few players from each.

VSA, GFR, VYS, PWSI, BRYC, etc all have their top teams in ECRL. As does Strikers, Kickers, etc.

The only club in the area that does not is Arlington, and they have shown their second teams are often better than most clubs’ first teams.

MYS moving their green team from ECRL to GA is a perfect example of this. The players that can make Union will still go to ECNL, and we’re seeing that with the u13s. The remainder will stay on Green as their first team. Literally no different than Vienna and BRYC.

At what point do you admit that it's pathetic that clubs have to create combo teams from multiple clubs to be competitive in a 2nd tier league like ECRL?

Asking for a friend...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the top GA teams probably being a better choice, but time will tell what those end up being with all the new clubs being added, those dissolved, and the constant changes. All the changes that make parents constantly shop around is the issue so it’s impossible to really know anything other than what’s true right now. And what’s true right now could be totally different a year from now.
I disagree with RL always being the second team though, there are many clubs with RL as their top team, and some are good and some not.

If a club only has ECRL and they consistently do well. They'll get promoted to ECNL and ECRL. The best players will make the top team and everyone else will play om the ECRL team and it will be terrible.

You can cherry pick here and there about ECRL teams. But if you're going to do that cherry pick GA as well and watch the GA teams destroy ECRL teams.

The bottom line is that ECRL is a league primarily for 2nd teams. GA is a league for 1st teams. They don't compare.

This simply isn’t true and ignores the fact that many (most?) ECNL clubs are now combos of other clubs, drawing a few players from each.

VSA, GFR, VYS, PWSI, BRYC, etc all have their top teams in ECRL. As does Strikers, Kickers, etc.

The only club in the area that does not is Arlington, and they have shown their second teams are often better than most clubs’ first teams.

MYS moving their green team from ECRL to GA is a perfect example of this. The players that can make Union will still go to ECNL, and we’re seeing that with the u13s. The remainder will stay on Green as their first team. Literally no different than Vienna and BRYC.

At what point do you admit that it's pathetic that clubs have to create combo teams from multiple clubs to be competitive in a 2nd tier league like ECRL?

Asking for a friend...

PP said ECNL not RL. There are a lot of reasons why an RL player from a partner club can’t move up to ECNL. Now whether those RL players stay put or go to GA is the whole point of the post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the top GA teams probably being a better choice, but time will tell what those end up being with all the new clubs being added, those dissolved, and the constant changes. All the changes that make parents constantly shop around is the issue so it’s impossible to really know anything other than what’s true right now. And what’s true right now could be totally different a year from now.
I disagree with RL always being the second team though, there are many clubs with RL as their top team, and some are good and some not.

If a club only has ECRL and they consistently do well. They'll get promoted to ECNL and ECRL. The best players will make the top team and everyone else will play om the ECRL team and it will be terrible.

You can cherry pick here and there about ECRL teams. But if you're going to do that cherry pick GA as well and watch the GA teams destroy ECRL teams.

The bottom line is that ECRL is a league primarily for 2nd teams. GA is a league for 1st teams. They don't compare.

This simply isn’t true and ignores the fact that many (most?) ECNL clubs are now combos of other clubs, drawing a few players from each.

VSA, GFR, VYS, PWSI, BRYC, etc all have their top teams in ECRL. As does Strikers, Kickers, etc.

The only club in the area that does not is Arlington, and they have shown their second teams are often better than most clubs’ first teams.

MYS moving their green team from ECRL to GA is a perfect example of this. The players that can make Union will still go to ECNL, and we’re seeing that with the u13s. The remainder will stay on Green as their first team. Literally no different than Vienna and BRYC.

MYS moving RL to GA. Typical MYS. Watch them tank next year in lower ranking table and lose week in week out. They may beat some low teams like TSJ or Alexandria but that will be it. Basically it is not about the league. It is about the team. Every league has bottom teams and top teams and it is only worth it if you are in a top teams. And the moment that changes and if your kid is good, move on and look for better teams in the area. No loyalty in soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the top GA teams probably being a better choice, but time will tell what those end up being with all the new clubs being added, those dissolved, and the constant changes. All the changes that make parents constantly shop around is the issue so it’s impossible to really know anything other than what’s true right now. And what’s true right now could be totally different a year from now.
I disagree with RL always being the second team though, there are many clubs with RL as their top team, and some are good and some not.

If a club only has ECRL and they consistently do well. They'll get promoted to ECNL and ECRL. The best players will make the top team and everyone else will play om the ECRL team and it will be terrible.

You can cherry pick here and there about ECRL teams. But if you're going to do that cherry pick GA as well and watch the GA teams destroy ECRL teams.

The bottom line is that ECRL is a league primarily for 2nd teams. GA is a league for 1st teams. They don't compare.

This simply isn’t true and ignores the fact that many (most?) ECNL clubs are now combos of other clubs, drawing a few players from each.

VSA, GFR, VYS, PWSI, BRYC, etc all have their top teams in ECRL. As does Strikers, Kickers, etc.

The only club in the area that does not is Arlington, and they have shown their second teams are often better than most clubs’ first teams.

MYS moving their green team from ECRL to GA is a perfect example of this. The players that can make Union will still go to ECNL, and we’re seeing that with the u13s. The remainder will stay on Green as their first team. Literally no different than Vienna and BRYC.

At what point do you admit that it's pathetic that clubs have to create combo teams from multiple clubs to be competitive in a 2nd tier league like ECRL?

Asking for a friend...

Is your friend as dumb as you are and as horrible at reading comprehension as you seem to be?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the top GA teams probably being a better choice, but time will tell what those end up being with all the new clubs being added, those dissolved, and the constant changes. All the changes that make parents constantly shop around is the issue so it’s impossible to really know anything other than what’s true right now. And what’s true right now could be totally different a year from now.
I disagree with RL always being the second team though, there are many clubs with RL as their top team, and some are good and some not.

If a club only has ECRL and they consistently do well. They'll get promoted to ECNL and ECRL. The best players will make the top team and everyone else will play om the ECRL team and it will be terrible.

You can cherry pick here and there about ECRL teams. But if you're going to do that cherry pick GA as well and watch the GA teams destroy ECRL teams.

The bottom line is that ECRL is a league primarily for 2nd teams. GA is a league for 1st teams. They don't compare.

This simply isn’t true and ignores the fact that many (most?) ECNL clubs are now combos of other clubs, drawing a few players from each.

VSA, GFR, VYS, PWSI, BRYC, etc all have their top teams in ECRL. As does Strikers, Kickers, etc.

The only club in the area that does not is Arlington, and they have shown their second teams are often better than most clubs’ first teams.

MYS moving their green team from ECRL to GA is a perfect example of this. The players that can make Union will still go to ECNL, and we’re seeing that with the u13s. The remainder will stay on Green as their first team. Literally no different than Vienna and BRYC.

um no. FVU on downswing. They over rostered 2013s. And they were hoping girls from 2 other pre-ecnl teams were going to come. They didnt. FVU is done in 2 years as a ECNL team. You simply dont roster 22-24 kids at this young of an age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop comparing GA to ECRL. Whoever created the topic is clearly misinformed.

I’m with you, but I think the rapid growth of GA teams in the area is going to leave some of those teams (especially TSJFC and Alex) more like a RL team than a GA team. I’m a GA fan, but I would have preferred my DD play for a couple of local RL teams this season than for TSJFC. They were just that bad.

GA teams are clubs 1st team

ECRL teams are clubs 2nd team

It's this simple. ECNL parents are trying their best to equate GA with ECRL to elevate themselves. People aren't buying it. ECNL parents are getting desperate.

Yep, is just ECNL daddy’s wearing hats.