DC giving 50 percent discount on traffic tickets to bad drivers, so long as they're poor

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Anonymous wrote:Seem fair because they place more speed cameras in the areas with poor people.

Do they place speed cameras where people are poor, or do they place speed cameras where there's lots of speeding?

They place speed cameras in areas with less density. Those tend to be less expensive and poorer areas.

You don’t live in DC, do you?

Yes, I do and I have a speed camera a block from my house.

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Lots of people here eager to shake their fist at the monopoly man, but this proposal has nothing to do with rich people. It would slash penalties for more than one quarter of all drivers in DC. Good luck out there cyclists and pedestrians! You're the big losers here.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, my family's income is well over twice what it would take to get food stamps, so it makes sense that we would pay twice as much for tickets.

If I was ever to become impoverished, and had to budget as hard as people on food stamps do, I'm pretty sure that the $100 once in a while we spend on tickets would be pretty close to most of my family's unobligated spending money for the month. So, I don't begrudge the decrease.

Congratulations. You must feel very good about yourself.

Government fines and punishments should be the same for everyone.

I don’t know why you fail to understand that a $100 punishment is equivalent to a $1000 punishment for someone who makes 10 times more. The point is to feel the weight of the punishment. Someone who is making a million is not going to feel punished with a $100 the same way that someone making $30,000 a year. It’s like saying everyone gets 10 years in prison no matter the crime.

I don't know why you don't understand that a government punishment should be the same for everyone.

I do, which is why I applaud this. Punish people equally. A poor person is going to feel a $100 a lot worse than you will. So punishment achieved. You will pay it and not think anything about it. Do you always make circular arguments by simply repeating the same?

You don't seem to know what the word "equally" means.

Equal justice under the law is an important core concept and not something we should be throwing away.

Please enlighten us then. You think that a $100 ticket punishes a man making 30K a year equally as it does a man making 800K?

This isn't a difficult concept. Same crime equals same fine. For everybody.


You are demanding equity not equality.

Apparently it IS a very difficult concept since you don't get it at all. If the point is punishment, then it should be felt the same way by everyone.

It does seem very difficult for you to understand. Justice is supposed to be blind and equal. Government is supposed to treat people the same.

And now it finally is. That's the part that YOU don't get.

No it isn't. What you aggressively defend is, by definition, neither blind nor equal. Just because you are getting ever more angry does not change that fact that having different punishments for the same transgression based on the transgressors individual characteristics is inherently unequal.

I know that rage baiting is what people with low intelligence do, but I'm not getting more angry or angry at all. You're the only one getting angry by not being able to support anything you're saying with facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Treating people differently under the law is a really good way to lose federal funding. Bravo DC!

A Trump takeover maybe wouldn't be so bad!

We already know you're MAGAT. You don't need to spell it out.

Sure Cuckie.

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Anonymous wrote:Treating people differently under the law is a really good way to lose federal funding. Bravo DC!

A Trump takeover maybe wouldn't be so bad!

We already know you're MAGAT. You don't need to spell it out.

Sure Cuckie.

Awww did I hit a nerve? Sowwwy.

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Anonymous wrote:Seem fair because they place more speed cameras in the areas with poor people.

Do they place speed cameras where people are poor, or do they place speed cameras where there's lots of speeding?

They place speed cameras in areas with less density. Those tend to be less expensive and poorer areas.

You don’t live in DC, do you?

Yes, I do and I have a speed camera a block from my house.

A lower density, less expensive neighborhood in DC? Which one?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, my family's income is well over twice what it would take to get food stamps, so it makes sense that we would pay twice as much for tickets.

If I was ever to become impoverished, and had to budget as hard as people on food stamps do, I'm pretty sure that the $100 once in a while we spend on tickets would be pretty close to most of my family's unobligated spending money for the month. So, I don't begrudge the decrease.

Congratulations. You must feel very good about yourself.

Government fines and punishments should be the same for everyone.

I don’t know why you fail to understand that a $100 punishment is equivalent to a $1000 punishment for someone who makes 10 times more. The point is to feel the weight of the punishment. Someone who is making a million is not going to feel punished with a $100 the same way that someone making $30,000 a year. It’s like saying everyone gets 10 years in prison no matter the crime.

I don't know why you don't understand that a government punishment should be the same for everyone.

I do, which is why I applaud this. Punish people equally. A poor person is going to feel a $100 a lot worse than you will. So punishment achieved. You will pay it and not think anything about it. Do you always make circular arguments by simply repeating the same?

You don't seem to know what the word "equally" means.

Equal justice under the law is an important core concept and not something we should be throwing away.

Please enlighten us then. You think that a $100 ticket punishes a man making 30K a year equally as it does a man making 800K?

This isn't a difficult concept. Same crime equals same fine. For everybody.


You are demanding equity not equality.

Apparently it IS a very difficult concept since you don't get it at all. If the point is punishment, then it should be felt the same way by everyone.

Of course, you have no earthly idea how getting a ticket *feels* to different people, let alone how to equalize those feelings.

of course I do. And I'm not even particularity smart. I know because I used to be very poor and now I'm not.

But that's one of the weakest responses I've seen on DCUM. I always find that when posters start personalizing things to me, it's because they have nothing intelligent to say to support the point they are trying to make.

Ok, then, explain to us how you know.

I already did. Are you capable of reading? I used to be very poor. Getting a $100 ticket would mean that two or more of my bills aren't getting paid that month. That would mean I don't eat or buy the bare necessities. A $100 for someone who makes a half a million or more is a drop in the bucket. They don't even blink and eye. So tell me who is feeling the punishment and who isn't? Both committed the same offense.

Is there something wrong with the system such that the poor and rich can't avoid the speeding ticket?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, my family's income is well over twice what it would take to get food stamps, so it makes sense that we would pay twice as much for tickets.

If I was ever to become impoverished, and had to budget as hard as people on food stamps do, I'm pretty sure that the $100 once in a while we spend on tickets would be pretty close to most of my family's unobligated spending money for the month. So, I don't begrudge the decrease.

Congratulations. You must feel very good about yourself.

Government fines and punishments should be the same for everyone.

I don’t know why you fail to understand that a $100 punishment is equivalent to a $1000 punishment for someone who makes 10 times more. The point is to feel the weight of the punishment. Someone who is making a million is not going to feel punished with a $100 the same way that someone making $30,000 a year. It’s like saying everyone gets 10 years in prison no matter the crime.

I don't know why you don't understand that a government punishment should be the same for everyone.

I do, which is why I applaud this. Punish people equally. A poor person is going to feel a $100 a lot worse than you will. So punishment achieved. You will pay it and not think anything about it. Do you always make circular arguments by simply repeating the same?

You don't seem to know what the word "equally" means.

Equal justice under the law is an important core concept and not something we should be throwing away.

Please enlighten us then. You think that a $100 ticket punishes a man making 30K a year equally as it does a man making 800K?

This isn't a difficult concept. Same crime equals same fine. For everybody.


You are demanding equity not equality.

Apparently it IS a very difficult concept since you don't get it at all. If the point is punishment, then it should be felt the same way by everyone.

Of course, you have no earthly idea how getting a ticket *feels* to different people, let alone how to equalize those feelings.

of course I do. And I'm not even particularity smart. I know because I used to be very poor and now I'm not.

But that's one of the weakest responses I've seen on DCUM. I always find that when posters start personalizing things to me, it's because they have nothing intelligent to say to support the point they are trying to make.

Ok, then, explain to us how you know.

I already did. Are you capable of reading? I used to be very poor. Getting a $100 ticket would mean that two or more of my bills aren't getting paid that month. That would mean I don't eat or buy the bare necessities. A $100 for someone who makes a half a million or more is a drop in the bucket. They don't even blink and eye. So tell me who is feeling the punishment and who isn't? Both committed the same offense.

Is there something wrong with the system such that the poor and rich can't avoid the speeding ticket?

Of course not. But that's not the point.

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Anonymous wrote:Treating people differently under the law is a really good way to lose federal funding. Bravo DC!

A Trump takeover maybe wouldn't be so bad!

We already know you're MAGAT. You don't need to spell it out.

Sure Cuckie.

Awww did I hit a nerve? Sowwwy.

Nope. Happy Friday!

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Anonymous wrote:Well, my family's income is well over twice what it would take to get food stamps, so it makes sense that we would pay twice as much for tickets.

If I was ever to become impoverished, and had to budget as hard as people on food stamps do, I'm pretty sure that the $100 once in a while we spend on tickets would be pretty close to most of my family's unobligated spending money for the month. So, I don't begrudge the decrease.

Congratulations. You must feel very good about yourself.

Government fines and punishments should be the same for everyone.

I don’t know why you fail to understand that a $100 punishment is equivalent to a $1000 punishment for someone who makes 10 times more. The point is to feel the weight of the punishment. Someone who is making a million is not going to feel punished with a $100 the same way that someone making $30,000 a year. It’s like saying everyone gets 10 years in prison no matter the crime.

I don't know why you don't understand that a government punishment should be the same for everyone.

I do, which is why I applaud this. Punish people equally. A poor person is going to feel a $100 a lot worse than you will. So punishment achieved. You will pay it and not think anything about it. Do you always make circular arguments by simply repeating the same?

You don't seem to know what the word "equally" means.

Equal justice under the law is an important core concept and not something we should be throwing away.

Please enlighten us then. You think that a $100 ticket punishes a man making 30K a year equally as it does a man making 800K?

This isn't a difficult concept. Same crime equals same fine. For everybody.


You are demanding equity not equality.

Apparently it IS a very difficult concept since you don't get it at all. If the point is punishment, then it should be felt the same way by everyone.

It does seem very difficult for you to understand. Justice is supposed to be blind and equal. Government is supposed to treat people the same.

And now it finally is. That's the part that YOU don't get.

No it isn't. What you aggressively defend is, by definition, neither blind nor equal. Just because you are getting ever more angry does not change that fact that having different punishments for the same transgression based on the transgressors individual characteristics is inherently unequal.

I know that rage baiting is what people with low intelligence do, but I'm not getting more angry or angry at all. You're the only one getting angry by not being able to support anything you're saying with facts.

You seem to have a problem with reality. Your aggressiveness is clear as day to anyone who reads this.

The simple fact is that setting the amount of a fine to be dependent on an individual's personal characteristics instead of the act committed is inherently NOT equal.

Should prison sentences be based on the age of the perpetrator or the crime committed? Because according to your aggressive logic old people should get shorter sentences than young people because it impacts them more.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, my family's income is well over twice what it would take to get food stamps, so it makes sense that we would pay twice as much for tickets.

If I was ever to become impoverished, and had to budget as hard as people on food stamps do, I'm pretty sure that the $100 once in a while we spend on tickets would be pretty close to most of my family's unobligated spending money for the month. So, I don't begrudge the decrease.

Congratulations. You must feel very good about yourself.

Government fines and punishments should be the same for everyone.

I don’t know why you fail to understand that a $100 punishment is equivalent to a $1000 punishment for someone who makes 10 times more. The point is to feel the weight of the punishment. Someone who is making a million is not going to feel punished with a $100 the same way that someone making $30,000 a year. It’s like saying everyone gets 10 years in prison no matter the crime.

I don't know why you don't understand that a government punishment should be the same for everyone.

I do, which is why I applaud this. Punish people equally. A poor person is going to feel a $100 a lot worse than you will. So punishment achieved. You will pay it and not think anything about it. Do you always make circular arguments by simply repeating the same?

You don't seem to know what the word "equally" means.

Equal justice under the law is an important core concept and not something we should be throwing away.

Please enlighten us then. You think that a $100 ticket punishes a man making 30K a year equally as it does a man making 800K?

This isn't a difficult concept. Same crime equals same fine. For everybody.


You are demanding equity not equality.

Apparently it IS a very difficult concept since you don't get it at all. If the point is punishment, then it should be felt the same way by everyone.

It does seem very difficult for you to understand. Justice is supposed to be blind and equal. Government is supposed to treat people the same.

And now it finally is. That's the part that YOU don't get.

No it isn't. What you aggressively defend is, by definition, neither blind nor equal. Just because you are getting ever more angry does not change that fact that having different punishments for the same transgression based on the transgressors individual characteristics is inherently unequal.

I know that rage baiting is what people with low intelligence do, but I'm not getting more angry or angry at all. You're the only one getting angry by not being able to support anything you're saying with facts.

You seem to have a problem with reality. Your aggressiveness is clear as day to anyone who reads this.

The simple fact is that setting the amount of a fine to be dependent on an individual's personal characteristics instead of the act committed is inherently NOT equal.

Should prison sentences be based on the age of the perpetrator or the crime committed? Because according to your aggressive logic old people should get shorter sentences than young people because it impacts them more.

Your gaslighting is not working on me buddy. You can keep repeating how aggressive I am. Are you not used to women disagreeing with you? That's too bad.

The punishment is disproportional and not equal when poor people are affected disproportionately. Again, for the 15th time, the rich are not punished at all with a $100 ticket and the poor may not be able to eat that month. Do you find being poor a moral failing in itself? Sounds like you do.

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Anonymous wrote:I applaud this heartily. Fines are regressive taxes - they are practically nothing for the wealthy but can become a spiraling burden for the poor.

Regressive taxes are bad.

EXACTLY! This is not a hard concept people.

+1

Why have more severe punishments for poor people?

OP is an elitist dickhead.

It's the same fine. It is not more severe. In fact, it has the same level of severity.

It is absolutely more severe, you dumb ass.

Just because you are too dumb to comprehend that doesn’t make it any less true.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, my family's income is well over twice what it would take to get food stamps, so it makes sense that we would pay twice as much for tickets.

If I was ever to become impoverished, and had to budget as hard as people on food stamps do, I'm pretty sure that the $100 once in a while we spend on tickets would be pretty close to most of my family's unobligated spending money for the month. So, I don't begrudge the decrease.

Congratulations. You must feel very good about yourself.

Government fines and punishments should be the same for everyone.

I don’t know why you fail to understand that a $100 punishment is equivalent to a $1000 punishment for someone who makes 10 times more. The point is to feel the weight of the punishment. Someone who is making a million is not going to feel punished with a $100 the same way that someone making $30,000 a year. It’s like saying everyone gets 10 years in prison no matter the crime.

I don't know why you don't understand that a government punishment should be the same for everyone.

I do, which is why I applaud this. Punish people equally. A poor person is going to feel a $100 a lot worse than you will. So punishment achieved. You will pay it and not think anything about it. Do you always make circular arguments by simply repeating the same?

You don't seem to know what the word "equally" means.

Equal justice under the law is an important core concept and not something we should be throwing away.

Please enlighten us then. You think that a $100 ticket punishes a man making 30K a year equally as it does a man making 800K?

This isn't a difficult concept. Same crime equals same fine. For everybody.


You are demanding equity not equality.

Apparently it IS a very difficult concept since you don't get it at all. If the point is punishment, then it should be felt the same way by everyone.

It does seem very difficult for you to understand. Justice is supposed to be blind and equal. Government is supposed to treat people the same.

And now it finally is. That's the part that YOU don't get.

No it isn't. What you aggressively defend is, by definition, neither blind nor equal. Just because you are getting ever more angry does not change that fact that having different punishments for the same transgression based on the transgressors individual characteristics is inherently unequal.

Life is unfair.

Get over it, sht for brains.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, my family's income is well over twice what it would take to get food stamps, so it makes sense that we would pay twice as much for tickets.

If I was ever to become impoverished, and had to budget as hard as people on food stamps do, I'm pretty sure that the $100 once in a while we spend on tickets would be pretty close to most of my family's unobligated spending money for the month. So, I don't begrudge the decrease.

Congratulations. You must feel very good about yourself.

Government fines and punishments should be the same for everyone.

I don’t know why you fail to understand that a $100 punishment is equivalent to a $1000 punishment for someone who makes 10 times more. The point is to feel the weight of the punishment. Someone who is making a million is not going to feel punished with a $100 the same way that someone making $30,000 a year. It’s like saying everyone gets 10 years in prison no matter the crime.

I don't know why you don't understand that a government punishment should be the same for everyone.

I do, which is why I applaud this. Punish people equally. A poor person is going to feel a $100 a lot worse than you will. So punishment achieved. You will pay it and not think anything about it. Do you always make circular arguments by simply repeating the same?

You don't seem to know what the word "equally" means.

Equal justice under the law is an important core concept and not something we should be throwing away.

Please enlighten us then. You think that a $100 ticket punishes a man making 30K a year equally as it does a man making 800K?

This isn't a difficult concept. Same crime equals same fine. For everybody.


You are demanding equity not equality.

Apparently it IS a very difficult concept since you don't get it at all. If the point is punishment, then it should be felt the same way by everyone.

It does seem very difficult for you to understand. Justice is supposed to be blind and equal. Government is supposed to treat people the same.

And now it finally is. That's the part that YOU don't get.

No it isn't. What you aggressively defend is, by definition, neither blind nor equal. Just because you are getting ever more angry does not change that fact that having different punishments for the same transgression based on the transgressors individual characteristics is inherently unequal.

I know that rage baiting is what people with low intelligence do, but I'm not getting more angry or angry at all. You're the only one getting angry by not being able to support anything you're saying with facts.

You seem to have a problem with reality. Your aggressiveness is clear as day to anyone who reads this.

The simple fact is that setting the amount of a fine to be dependent on an individual's personal characteristics instead of the act committed is inherently NOT equal.

Should prison sentences be based on the age of the perpetrator or the crime committed? Because according to your aggressive logic old people should get shorter sentences than young people because it impacts them more.

You are too aggressively stupid to recognize your own ignorance.

https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/older-offenders-federal-system

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If someone who makes $40,000 is driving 55 mph in a 20 mph zone, I guess I'm not really focused about the possibility of *their* life being wrecked.