Prince Harry Wins Case Against Murdoch Group

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the royal family wants him and Meghan back to the UK all the time doing their faux royal tours. Especially not William, whose power is likely growing as his father deteriorates.

Yes. I am surprised people don't acknowledge the fact that Harry slammed the monarchy and specific family members (including present King, Queen, future King and Queen) both in interviews and in writing, for profit. There is no coming back from that. None of this was an essential component of them leaving. If anything, had they not done that, there would be more inclination to justify some sort of special status. He himself described his family as "the firm", and he went against the firm. What exactly did he expect to happen?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the royal family wants him and Meghan back to the UK all the time doing their faux royal tours. Especially not William, whose power is likely growing as his father deteriorates.

Yes. I am surprised people don't acknowledge the fact that Harry slammed the monarchy and specific family members (including present King, Queen, future King and Queen) both in interviews and in writing, for profit. There is no coming back from that. None of this was an essential component of them leaving. If anything, had they not done that, there would be more inclination to justify some sort of special status. He himself described his family as "the firm", and he went against the firm. What exactly did he expect to happen?

+1 another thing people leave out is that in addition to accusing his family of racism (which ultimately led to the naming of Charles and Kate as the ones who discussed Archie’s skin tone) she actually threatened his family in a Cut interview where she said “I didn’t sign an NDA.” Why on earth would they want her or her husband back?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the royal family wants him and Meghan back to the UK all the time doing their faux royal tours. Especially not William, whose power is likely growing as his father deteriorates.

Yes. I am surprised people don't acknowledge the fact that Harry slammed the monarchy and specific family members (including present King, Queen, future King and Queen) both in interviews and in writing, for profit. There is no coming back from that. None of this was an essential component of them leaving. If anything, had they not done that, there would be more inclination to justify some sort of special status. He himself described his family as "the firm", and he went against the firm. What exactly did he expect to happen?

+1 another thing people leave out is that in addition to accusing his family of racism (which ultimately led to the naming of Charles and Kate as the ones who discussed Archie’s skin tone) she actually threatened his family in a Cut interview where she said “I didn’t sign an NDA.” Why on earth would they want her or her husband back?

They are completely untrustworthy. Of course they wont be welcome back. The bridge was burned.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the royal family wants him and Meghan back to the UK all the time doing their faux royal tours. Especially not William, whose power is likely growing as his father deteriorates.

Yes. I am surprised people don't acknowledge the fact that Harry slammed the monarchy and specific family members (including present King, Queen, future King and Queen) both in interviews and in writing, for profit. There is no coming back from that. None of this was an essential component of them leaving. If anything, had they not done that, there would be more inclination to justify some sort of special status. He himself described his family as "the firm", and he went against the firm. What exactly did he expect to happen?

+1 another thing people leave out is that in addition to accusing his family of racism (which ultimately led to the naming of Charles and Kate as the ones who discussed Archie’s skin tone) she actually threatened his family in a Cut interview where she said “I didn’t sign an NDA.” Why on earth would they want her or her husband back?

They are completely untrustworthy. Of course they wont be welcome back. The bridge was burned.

Harry is Charles son.

I think it is in everyone’s interests to broker a peace between William and Harry and to reconcile.

I believe that Queen Elizabeth II should have let Harry and Meghan become part time royals.

There probably was some unconscious racism going on in addition the infamous rivalry between William and Harry; but the tell all book and documentary was damaging to both sides.

The royal family is a big deal for both the UK and many commonwealth countries. It is in everyone’s interests for both sides to apologize and reach some kind of mediated agreement.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the royal family wants him and Meghan back to the UK all the time doing their faux royal tours. Especially not William, whose power is likely growing as his father deteriorates.

Yes. I am surprised people don't acknowledge the fact that Harry slammed the monarchy and specific family members (including present King, Queen, future King and Queen) both in interviews and in writing, for profit. There is no coming back from that. None of this was an essential component of them leaving. If anything, had they not done that, there would be more inclination to justify some sort of special status. He himself described his family as "the firm", and he went against the firm. What exactly did he expect to happen?

They already cut off the money before that happened. That’s why in my opinion they totally mishandled them leaving. The security was cut off before Spare. They know the skills they do/don’t have and that they would need money and then are all like “shocked pikachu face” that they monetized the relationships with people they felt burned by.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the royal family wants him and Meghan back to the UK all the time doing their faux royal tours. Especially not William, whose power is likely growing as his father deteriorates.

Yes. I am surprised people don't acknowledge the fact that Harry slammed the monarchy and specific family members (including present King, Queen, future King and Queen) both in interviews and in writing, for profit. There is no coming back from that. None of this was an essential component of them leaving. If anything, had they not done that, there would be more inclination to justify some sort of special status. He himself described his family as "the firm", and he went against the firm. What exactly did he expect to happen?

+1 another thing people leave out is that in addition to accusing his family of racism (which ultimately led to the naming of Charles and Kate as the ones who discussed Archie’s skin tone) she actually threatened his family in a Cut interview where she said “I didn’t sign an NDA.” Why on earth would they want her or her husband back?

They are completely untrustworthy. Of course they wont be welcome back. The bridge was burned.

Harry is Charles son.

I think it is in everyone’s interests to broker a peace between William and Harry and to reconcile.

I believe that Queen Elizabeth II should have let Harry and Meghan become part time royals.

There probably was some unconscious racism going on in addition the infamous rivalry between William and Harry; but the tell all book and documentary was damaging to both sides.

The royal family is a big deal for both the UK and many commonwealth countries. It is in everyone’s interests for both sides to apologize and reach some kind of mediated agreement.

The royal family has been functioning since harry and Meghan left five years ago. Not sure where the evidence is that they need them or that they have suffered a grave hit from the duo’s allegations. Especially now that US media is echoing the Meghan bullying claims. That only bolsters the firm’s position.

I think the issue is that Harry is unhappy in California and despite calling his move to the US “freedom,” is miserable. US media is now calling him a fool and writing about his idea to interview Putin and trump about why they are sociopaths. I think his legitimate hate for the media and palace officials blinded him to the fact that by pushing the “Harry is a part boy” image, they were protecting him from a public image that is even more damning: he is dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad he won. I think the press has done him dirty (especially the Royal Rota).

I do think he and Meghan need a good strategist/public relations person to advise them. They jump into political stuff where they should stay quiet and make proclamations like they are of high political status of some sort of American royalty. Stick to real charity work without telling others what to do or think often related to topics they don't even completely understand. Be careful with the photo ops. They need someone to help them come across as more humble and committed to service, not fame.

+1 all of the above!

Yes. There's no reason any of their service work even needs to be publicized.

Or that we need their “spokesperson” to issue statements about their opinions on any major events. Do other celebrities do this? It’s so bizarre and sanctimonious for, what are in essence, two reality stars.

Relax. That stuff isn’t for us, that’s for people back in the UK.

No, they do it in the US for what they believe to be their US fans. But even if it were for the people in the UK that’s even more ridiculous. They are no longer working Royals and they don’t live there, yet carry on as if they do.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are still the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and are referred to as such on the British royal family's official website. Harry was granted the title Duke of Sussex by his grandmother, Queen Elizabeth II, upon his marriage to Meghan, who then became the Duchess of Sussex. Their children are Prince Archie of Sussex and Princess Lilibet of Sussex since their grandfather King Charles III became monarch.

The British press violated Prince Harry’s privacy and dignity over and over again and vilified Meghan for absurd reasons.

King Charles III should be ashamed of himself for icing Harry out of the working royal family and not providing protection for his own son’s family. Any nitwit can see H+M are lightning rods for negative press and do face real danger from mentally disturbed royal fans.

The king has the money but chooses not to prioritize the safety of his son and his family. In 2024, King Charles III’s net worth increased by $12.5 million (£10 million) over the previous year, bringing his total net worth to approximately $772 million (£610 million) according to the 2024 Sunday Times Rich List, which ranks the 1,000 wealthiest people or families in the U.K. Charles ranked # 258 in 2024.

The royal family is extremely important to Britain’s economy and culture. The royal family's history and heritage make the UK a popular tourist destination. The royal family is a global brand that contributes to the UK economy through tourism, trade, media, and the arts. In 2017, Brand Finance estimated that the royal family contributed £1.766 billion to the UK economy.
Brand Finance also estimated that the monarchy's brand contributed £2.5 billion to the UK economy.

I believe the King is diminishing his royal brand by being petty with the safety of his own son’s family.

How are they unsafe exactly? Who is threatening them? Harry seems to be able to travel back and forth without any issues.

They have discussed this at length. Racism sucks.

So, nobody. Just some random bogeyman. Like that "scary" slow chase in NYC.

Are you dumb, dishonest, or racist? They have gotten lots of scary messages, calls, and lurkers.

So? They aren't going to get the level of security they want. They are welcome to pay for what they think they need. Didn't Harry just win an 8 figure settlement? They aren't broke.

I don't follow this too closely, but my understanding is that they want to pay for it themselves, but they need special permission for their security to carry guns and that's whats being denied. That's something that they don't need in the US.

This is what’s so absurd to me. They’re literally not asking for Charles to even pay for it. They just want permission to have extra security. Just makes Charles look like not just petty but grossly vindictive for no reason, especially knowing what happened to Diana and how much of an effect that’s had on Harry. I don’t blame Harry for wanting to go above and beyond in protecting his family, regardless of if there are threats or racism or not.

They did have bodyguards with guns before they left though, because Scotland Yard which provides royal protection is allowed to have guns. Now that Harry doesn't get royal protection (since he's not a working royal), it is a big issue because other private citizens are not allowed armed guards.

What looks bad is having the wealthy buy the police.

They are not though. David Beckham and Elton John can't have that, Richard Branson can't have that. This is special protection for the royal family only. Giving it to Harry would create a precedent and then your point would stand.

I get your point and don’t disagree but all those people, and others like them, chose to be in the positions they are in. They chose careers and fields that brought wealth and fame but also the crazies that come with it.

Prince Harry literally had no choice. He had the world’s focus and attention, good and bad, from the day he was born. Regardless of what you or I think about him or his wife or how they are currently living their lives or how they used to live their lives, his history makes him and his children different.

I disagree. By your logic then the children of the celebrities named above should have protection because they have been in the news from birth, especially the Beckham kids who were targeted by paparazzi relentlessly. They didn't choose it.

I still see a difference between being the son of a successful sports player and pop star and the son of a future king with 1000 years of history, protocol & expectations.

Where do you draw the line? Harry is the son of the king he's not a working royal. Maybe he wants to reconsider and work again and enjoy all the benefits that come with the role.

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He wanted to contour as a royal and do his charity work but also develop projects with Meghan.

They had an experienced a great deal of negative press after he married Meghan. Harry had been extremely popular and contributed much to the royal family

Queen Elizabeth declined to let them continue as royals part time. This was not their choice.
Then their security detail was stopped because they were no longer senior royals. However the security risks against them escalated.

The royal family is of enormous value to British culture, heritage, economy, and tourism.

It behooves King Charles III to revisit the decision to cancel their security detail for the sake of reducing this festering wound in the royal family, protecting his son and his family, and encouraging more visits and relationship with the king’s youngest grandchildren.

Queen Elizabeth II (or more likely her advisors) got this one wrong but King Charles can make it right.

I don't think you understand there is a court case about this and it's not Charles deciding and being a big meanie about using public funds for Harry's security. An independent committee denied him the protection he wants other than on an ad hoc basis.

Ok thanks for correction. You are right that Prince Harry's security protection was made by the "Executive Committee for the Protection of Royalty and Public Figures" The decision was made after Harry was forced to step down from his role as a working royal. You are correct that Prince Harry lost his legal challenged to this decision.

I do think that Queen Elizabeth II erred by not allowing them to be part time royals. It could have been a won win for both sides. H+M would have stayed in the UK and raised their kids there and continued their charity work that reflected well on the royal family.

King Charles should either pay for security when they visit or invite them to be working part time royals as they first requested. That would be a win win.

I think that's a lot of wishful thinking about what Meghan and Harry really wanted. Their life today doesn't really suggest they wanted a life of public service and philanthropy.

I think they would’ve settled for a life of public service and philanthropy and their bills being paid. But no, I don’t think that someone who grew up the child of the current king of England would have been happy living a middle class lifestyle. But again if Charles didn’t realize that then he’s really an idiot. I think they were either going to live a luxurious lifestyle by selling royal dirt or through direct funding from the family itself.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm glad he won. I think the press has done him dirty (especially the Royal Rota).

I do think he and Meghan need a good strategist/public relations person to advise them. They jump into political stuff where they should stay quiet and make proclamations like they are of high political status of some sort of American royalty. Stick to real charity work without telling others what to do or think often related to topics they don't even completely understand. Be careful with the photo ops. They need someone to help them come across as more humble and committed to service, not fame.

+1 all of the above!

Yes. There's no reason any of their service work even needs to be publicized.

Or that we need their “spokesperson” to issue statements about their opinions on any major events. Do other celebrities do this? It’s so bizarre and sanctimonious for, what are in essence, two reality stars.

Relax. That stuff isn’t for us, that’s for people back in the UK.

No, they do it in the US for what they believe to be their US fans. But even if it were for the people in the UK that’s even more ridiculous. They are no longer working Royals and they don’t live there, yet carry on as if they do.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are still the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and are referred to as such on the British royal family's official website. Harry was granted the title Duke of Sussex by his grandmother, Queen Elizabeth II, upon his marriage to Meghan, who then became the Duchess of Sussex. Their children are Prince Archie of Sussex and Princess Lilibet of Sussex since their grandfather King Charles III became monarch.

The British press violated Prince Harry’s privacy and dignity over and over again and vilified Meghan for absurd reasons.

King Charles III should be ashamed of himself for icing Harry out of the working royal family and not providing protection for his own son’s family. Any nitwit can see H+M are lightning rods for negative press and do face real danger from mentally disturbed royal fans.

The king has the money but chooses not to prioritize the safety of his son and his family. In 2024, King Charles III’s net worth increased by $12.5 million (£10 million) over the previous year, bringing his total net worth to approximately $772 million (£610 million) according to the 2024 Sunday Times Rich List, which ranks the 1,000 wealthiest people or families in the U.K. Charles ranked # 258 in 2024.

The royal family is extremely important to Britain’s economy and culture. The royal family's history and heritage make the UK a popular tourist destination. The royal family is a global brand that contributes to the UK economy through tourism, trade, media, and the arts. In 2017, Brand Finance estimated that the royal family contributed £1.766 billion to the UK economy.
Brand Finance also estimated that the monarchy's brand contributed £2.5 billion to the UK economy.

I believe the King is diminishing his royal brand by being petty with the safety of his own son’s family.

How are they unsafe exactly? Who is threatening them? Harry seems to be able to travel back and forth without any issues.

They have discussed this at length. Racism sucks.

So, nobody. Just some random bogeyman. Like that "scary" slow chase in NYC.

Are you dumb, dishonest, or racist? They have gotten lots of scary messages, calls, and lurkers.

So? They aren't going to get the level of security they want. They are welcome to pay for what they think they need. Didn't Harry just win an 8 figure settlement? They aren't broke.

I don't follow this too closely, but my understanding is that they want to pay for it themselves, but they need special permission for their security to carry guns and that's whats being denied. That's something that they don't need in the US.

This is what’s so absurd to me. They’re literally not asking for Charles to even pay for it. They just want permission to have extra security. Just makes Charles look like not just petty but grossly vindictive for no reason, especially knowing what happened to Diana and how much of an effect that’s had on Harry. I don’t blame Harry for wanting to go above and beyond in protecting his family, regardless of if there are threats or racism or not.

They did have bodyguards with guns before they left though, because Scotland Yard which provides royal protection is allowed to have guns. Now that Harry doesn't get royal protection (since he's not a working royal), it is a big issue because other private citizens are not allowed armed guards.

What looks bad is having the wealthy buy the police.

They are not though. David Beckham and Elton John can't have that, Richard Branson can't have that. This is special protection for the royal family only. Giving it to Harry would create a precedent and then your point would stand.

I get your point and don’t disagree but all those people, and others like them, chose to be in the positions they are in. They chose careers and fields that brought wealth and fame but also the crazies that come with it.

Prince Harry literally had no choice. He had the world’s focus and attention, good and bad, from the day he was born. Regardless of what you or I think about him or his wife or how they are currently living their lives or how they used to live their lives, his history makes him and his children different.

I disagree. By your logic then the children of the celebrities named above should have protection because they have been in the news from birth, especially the Beckham kids who were targeted by paparazzi relentlessly. They didn't choose it.

I still see a difference between being the son of a successful sports player and pop star and the son of a future king with 1000 years of history, protocol & expectations.

Where do you draw the line? Harry is the son of the king he's not a working royal. Maybe he wants to reconsider and work again and enjoy all the benefits that come with the role.

DP

He wanted to contour as a royal and do his charity work but also develop projects with Meghan.

They had an experienced a great deal of negative press after he married Meghan. Harry had been extremely popular and contributed much to the royal family

Queen Elizabeth declined to let them continue as royals part time. This was not their choice.
Then their security detail was stopped because they were no longer senior royals. However the security risks against them escalated.

The royal family is of enormous value to British culture, heritage, economy, and tourism.

It behooves King Charles III to revisit the decision to cancel their security detail for the sake of reducing this festering wound in the royal family, protecting his son and his family, and encouraging more visits and relationship with the king’s youngest grandchildren.

Queen Elizabeth II (or more likely her advisors) got this one wrong but King Charles can make it right.

Yup KC’s pedo brother does much of nothing and has security

Not anymore, Charles got rid of his security.

Haha good!

Years after he cut Harry’s.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the royal family wants him and Meghan back to the UK all the time doing their faux royal tours. Especially not William, whose power is likely growing as his father deteriorates.

Yes. I am surprised people don't acknowledge the fact that Harry slammed the monarchy and specific family members (including present King, Queen, future King and Queen) both in interviews and in writing, for profit. There is no coming back from that. None of this was an essential component of them leaving. If anything, had they not done that, there would be more inclination to justify some sort of special status. He himself described his family as "the firm", and he went against the firm. What exactly did he expect to happen?

I think that to his defense, the firm i.e palace insiders, KC’s pr machine have been slamming Harry for a very long time in the press. I see nothing wrong with Harry wanting to tell his side of the story.
This legal case against Murdoch group is part of the proof.
Camilla is good friends with Harry’s fiercest critics and that all is another story.
The tabloids still print weekly bad press about him and especially Meghan.
There is no end to the viciousness.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think KC is that interested in his children. He has C and her family.
He never was cut out for the role of a single parent. The kids he had were for a reason, and have been used by him to bolster his image in the press.
I think QE was old and senile before her death and not cut out to make a descision that would have such a long lasting impact on the crown.

+100

I think this is basically the crux of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the royal family wants him and Meghan back to the UK all the time doing their faux royal tours. Especially not William, whose power is likely growing as his father deteriorates.

Yes. I am surprised people don't acknowledge the fact that Harry slammed the monarchy and specific family members (including present King, Queen, future King and Queen) both in interviews and in writing, for profit. There is no coming back from that. None of this was an essential component of them leaving. If anything, had they not done that, there would be more inclination to justify some sort of special status. He himself described his family as "the firm", and he went against the firm. What exactly did he expect to happen?

I think that to his defense, the firm i.e palace insiders, KC’s pr machine have been slamming Harry for a very long time in the press. I see nothing wrong with Harry wanting to tell his side of the story.
This legal case against Murdoch group is part of the proof.
Camilla is good friends with Harry’s fiercest critics and that all is another story.
The tabloids still print weekly bad press about him and especially Meghan.
There is no end to the viciousness.

I agree the tabloids are awful and royal insiders contributed, but Harry was slamming personal issues with his family completely unrelated to this: fight with William, ridiculously petty story of when Meghan and Kate met...

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think KC is that interested in his children. He has C and her family.
He never was cut out for the role of a single parent. The kids he had were for a reason, and have been used by him to bolster his image in the press.
I think QE was old and senile before her death and not cut out to make a descision that would have such a long lasting impact on the crown.

+100

I think this is basically the crux of it.

How did the crown suffer? I think many respect them for cutting off a family member who would sit next to his wife while she trashes his family to Oprah for the whole world to see. I remember an article at the time saying that he sat there looking like a chicken with its head cut off.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the royal family wants him and Meghan back to the UK all the time doing their faux royal tours. Especially not William, whose power is likely growing as his father deteriorates.

Yes. I am surprised people don't acknowledge the fact that Harry slammed the monarchy and specific family members (including present King, Queen, future King and Queen) both in interviews and in writing, for profit. There is no coming back from that. None of this was an essential component of them leaving. If anything, had they not done that, there would be more inclination to justify some sort of special status. He himself described his family as "the firm", and he went against the firm. What exactly did he expect to happen?

+1 another thing people leave out is that in addition to accusing his family of racism (which ultimately led to the naming of Charles and Kate as the ones who discussed Archie’s skin tone) she actually threatened his family in a Cut interview where she said “I didn’t sign an NDA.” Why on earth would they want her or her husband back?

They are completely untrustworthy. Of course they wont be welcome back. The bridge was burned.

Harry is Charles son.

I think it is in everyone’s interests to broker a peace between William and Harry and to reconcile.

I believe that Queen Elizabeth II should have let Harry and Meghan become part time royals.

There probably was some unconscious racism going on in addition the infamous rivalry between William and Harry; but the tell all book and documentary was damaging to both sides.

The royal family is a big deal for both the UK and many commonwealth countries. It is in everyone’s interests for both sides to apologize and reach some kind of mediated agreement.

The royal family has been functioning since harry and Meghan left five years ago. Not sure where the evidence is that they need them or that they have suffered a grave hit from the duo’s allegations. Especially now that US media is echoing the Meghan bullying claims. That only bolsters the firm’s position.

I think the issue is that Harry is unhappy in California and despite calling his move to the US “freedom,” is miserable. US media is now calling him a fool and writing about his idea to interview Putin and trump about why they are sociopaths. I think his legitimate hate for the media and palace officials blinded him to the fact that by pushing the “Harry is a part boy” image, they were protecting him from a public image that is even more damning: he is dumb.

There is a big difference between functioning and flourishing. Their popularity has dropped and their impact on tourism while still enormous has dropped considerably.

The popularity of the British royal family has declined since Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's announcement to leave Britain in 2020. The couple's popularity has plummeted, and their negative press coverage has contributed to the decline in support for the monarchy.

In addition to the revelations made in Prince Harry's memoir, Spare; Prince Andrew’s association with Epstein and the sexual assault of minor allegations that were settled out of court also hurt the monarchy,


The future of the monarchy depends on King Charles's ability to persuade Britons of the institution's value.

Part of that value is adapting to modern society which is much less white than it was.

The public seeing Charles able to rebuild a relationship with his youngest son and his family will help More than hurt.

Harry was very popular in many of the charities he represented. It was foolish of the firm to not let him continue part time and to cut off all his funding and security protection.

I believe that king Charles III should seek professional mediation and commit to healing the wounds. There is fault to be found on both sides. It is in everyone’s interest to seek reconciliation.

Hardliners who advocated shutting them out of the firm when they sought to be part time royals probably thought they were defending the royal institution while I believe they harmed it by not adapting to modern realities.
Further, many commonwealth countries are predominantly POC and reconciliation with Meghan would be welcomed by many of them.

Most of all Charles should seek reconciliation so he can have regular contact with his grandchildren as well as son.

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nothing in spare was that big of a deal - certainly not enough to cut off your child and sibling - it was silly stuff that every family has going on and i thought humanized all of them. I think its Camilla who uses it like a wedge to keep herself and her kids in positive stories.

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Does Harry even want to go back?