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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread appears to be just an advertisement for a college counseling service.

Wake up folks. This is a fake situation.

The OP said nothing about college counselling and multiple different services have been suggested by other posters. OP even said later in the thread that college counselling is too expensive... What are you talking about?

I am referring to this obviously fake scenario which was created to promote the college counseling service which has been cited on multiple pages including the first page.

Wake up. Don't be so gullible.

The OP is doing a really bad job of advertising because I had no idea what you were talking about and had to go back to the first page to see the *two* different services that were mentioned by a PP. Do you also think Biden is a lizard?

[Anonymous]

Mostly Bs and that freshman year list was the expectation? Those were all major reaches.

I think you need to accept that she’s staying where she is and make the best of it.

And also that none of this defines her (or you).
Unless you let it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread appears to be just an advertisement for a college counseling service.

Wake up folks. This is a fake situation.

The OP said nothing about college counselling and multiple different services have been suggested by other posters. OP even said later in the thread that college counselling is too expensive... What are you talking about?

I am referring to this obviously fake scenario which was created to promote the college counseling service which has been cited on multiple pages including the first page.

Wake up. Don't be so gullible.

Agree, if OP is a long-time lurker here then they would have far more insight into college admissions. TBH, I was a bit lost with my first DC and got a lot of insight and good advice here (directly and indirectly).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Back in high school, she was ... mostly B’s, a few A’s, not a good test taker. ...

We spent thousands of dollars on tutoring, SAT prep, extracurricular camps, you name it. She’s a bright kid but apparently not bright enough.

she’ll be stuck finishing at the same no-name ... school that, in my heart, I believe is beneath her.

You are in denial. Your daughter is not academically bright. After thousands of dollars in tutoring, a bright motivated student would earn A's in high school and beyond.

It's a shame you can't accept your daughter because her "no-name" college is beneath you. Your poor daughter keeps trying to upgrade to gain your approval instead of pursuing her own interests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DD is a Marketing major with a 3.6 or so GPA (above the recommended GPA for many programs) , lots of volunteer hours, club involvement, the whole nine yards and yet every time she tries , the door gets slammed in her face. Those so-called “flagships” that you are talking about are insanely competitive now, too. In state in Virginia and rejection after rejection. Meanwhile, community college students get priority at the same in state schools that keep turning her down. It’s infuriating to watch other kids with slightly better test scores or 0.05 better GPAs waltz in while she’s left with rejection after rejection. We’re tired of being at a college everyone looks down on and want a shot at better internships. But no matter how hard she works, she’s always overlooked.

BTW I’m not forcing her to do anything. Stop trying to force your narrative onto me.

if she is unable get a 4.0 at her current no name school how do you expect her to get passing grades at a selective school? It sounds like it’s likely she would struggle.

Maybe it’s better for her to focus on her current school, work in getting a 4.0 and diversifying with a double major or a minor and internships with a goal of applying to more selective graduate programs

[Anonymous]

1) forget about transferring. you tried, it didn't work out, it's time to move on. look forward, not backward.
2) focus on GPA instead of clubs, volunteering. those are not important any more except for networking.
3) you need to focus on her career options. where she would like to work? work on getting internships there
4) stop comparing her college to wherever her HS went. HS is not important any more, and in 5 years, college won't be important, either
5) if prestige is very important to you, she should consider doing an MA in one of the brand name schools. since she is marketing, statistics would be ideal, if she can hack it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too many foreigners

Pop is in state VA. Both WM and UVA take about 1/3 OOS, which includes foreigners +!kids from flyover country. Going to no foreigners wouldn’t change her odds.

Agree with PPs, the way UVA/WM/VT are geared right now, it’s very hard to transfer directly in. If your kid were serious CC was the route. Plus, WM takes WL kids over transfer as spring admits.

I do know a kid who struggled, probably had lower grades than your DD, transferred to UMW and flourished. Had some cool opportunities and righted her ship. Doing well post graduation.

Honestly, if she’s tried to transfer, she needs a “lesser” VA state school— JMU or GMU or VCU (or UMW/ CNU for smaller). Kids do great things out these schools too.

The kids who “walzed in” out of CC were willing to do 2 years of CC. Your kid wasn’t. If you were that intent on repetition college admissions, not going the cc route was a mistake.

But, quit harassing her and making her feel bad. And let her take the transfer time & energy and focus instead on succeeding where she is. Get a degree with the best possible GPA. Hustle for internships. Have her burnish her resume before any grad school. 5 year MBAs while working can be employer reimbursed, at least in part, and embrace focuses on real world experience. Remember: in most cases undergrad matters only for getting your first job. I certainly know kids who came out of college, took additional classes or retook at an cc and got into a decent grad program. Maybe not Ivy. But decent. After that, people look at grad schools and networking matters. And in the oddest ways. I got a federal clerkship b through a law school roommate. My toe in the door at a federal agency because someone zi did doc review with after recession downsizing was there and said something to the hiring manager.

You seem to keep wanting a redo of college admissions. But that isn’t happening. Time to pivot. Do well where she is, then carefully consider the next steps. But three strikes at “ dream schools”? Time to adjust her dream.

Why shouldn't she get a second chance?

She should get a second chance. Not a fourth chance. The only person she is hurting now is herself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Her best bet now is to stop focusing on transferring and "what could be" and actually thrive where she is. If it's such a no-name school and she's better than all the other students, then she should be a shining star and taking advantage of the opportunities that a big fish in a small pond has. Do research with profs, get published, be in honors societies, etc. These things will help her get into a grad program or other post-school opportunity that will be a "better fit" for her.

seriously. there are upsides to being at an "unworthy" school. my undergrad was "beneath" me (i had no money and only applied to this one school from abroad knowing nothing about it) and i had a close relationship with several professors, great research opportunities. 4.0, obviously. went to harvard for phd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate everyone’s input. I’m aware that my daughter isn’t a straight As valedictorian. I know she’s not getting into princeton but it also doesn’t automatically bar her from a better school. And yes, I used strong language because that’s how it’s felt watching her get rejected again and again.

We have considered “mid-level” schools, but even those seem tough to get into lately, and the ones I listed are places she’s always dreamed of attending. It’s not just me pushing some elitist agenda. I do believe she’s capable of higher-level work, or at least she wants to push herself toward that.

I think she has the potential to go farther than her current school allows. As for private counselors, we might look into it again, although some of the fees are sky high and we’ve already spent a lot on tutoring. And yes, the idea of grad school at a better-known university is on our radar, but she’d still prefer to fix her undergrad path if possible.

If you’ve spent a ton on tutoring and her grades are just “decent”, that’s your answer. I’m sorry.

Everyone’s kids are going to lower-ranked schools than they would have thirty years ago. Kids who would have attended an Ivy now go T20. Kids who would have gone T20 now go to state flagships. The good news is that a broader range of schools are now churning out stellar graduates.

I’d have her shoot lower this next round, but only if she really wants to try again. A large public school like Tech or JMU would still help her get jobs in the state. It’s not about rank, it’s about who you know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too many foreigners

Pop is in state VA. Both WM and UVA take about 1/3 OOS, which includes foreigners +!kids from flyover country. Going to no foreigners wouldn’t change her odds.

Agree with PPs, the way UVA/WM/VT are geared right now, it’s very hard to transfer directly in. If your kid were serious CC was the route. Plus, WM takes WL kids over transfer as spring admits.

I do know a kid who struggled, probably had lower grades than your DD, transferred to UMW and flourished. Had some cool opportunities and righted her ship. Doing well post graduation.

Honestly, if she’s tried to transfer, she needs a “lesser” VA state school— JMU or GMU or VCU (or UMW/ CNU for smaller). Kids do great things out these schools too.

The kids who “walzed in” out of CC were willing to do 2 years of CC. Your kid wasn’t. If you were that intent on repetition college admissions, not going the cc route was a mistake.

But, quit harassing her and making her feel bad. And let her take the transfer time & energy and focus instead on succeeding where she is. Get a degree with the best possible GPA. Hustle for internships. Have her burnish her resume before any grad school. 5 year MBAs while working can be employer reimbursed, at least in part, and embrace focuses on real world experience. Remember: in most cases undergrad matters only for getting your first job. I certainly know kids who came out of college, took additional classes or retook at an cc and got into a decent grad program. Maybe not Ivy. But decent. After that, people look at grad schools and networking matters. And in the oddest ways. I got a federal clerkship b through a law school roommate. My toe in the door at a federal agency because someone zi did doc review with after recession downsizing was there and said something to the hiring manager.

You seem to keep wanting a redo of college admissions. But that isn’t happening. Time to pivot. Do well where she is, then carefully consider the next steps. But three strikes at “ dream schools”? Time to adjust her dream.

Why shouldn't she get a second chance?

OP said her daughter applied in HS and for transfer twice. Second chance is one thing. Going for a 4th chance is ridiculous. JMU, GMU, VCU— good schools, good outcomes. And much more likely for her DD. If she insists on a third try at transferring.

[Anonymous]

I posted the two counselors....im not the OP.
Sheesh. Was just trying to help.

Search R/TransfertoTop25 to get other counselor recommendations

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread appears to be just an advertisement for a college counseling service.

Wake up folks. This is a fake situation.

The OP said nothing about college counselling and multiple different services have been suggested by other posters. OP even said later in the thread that college counselling is too expensive... What are you talking about?

Yes, I posted the two early on. Maybe others posted others - I haven't gone through all the pages.
I also went through one of the sites to get info for the OP on GPA requirements at a few schools. I don't know these counselors personally but they are all over Reddit. I've bookmarked for my kid in case kid wants to transfer (current freshman). Not sure why people are so suspicious. I would have posted other transfer counselors but those are the only two I've bookmarked so I don't have any other names. I'm sure others do - and probably can search on here.

Honestly, this place is MUCH less helpful and friendly than it used to be. I belong to 4 FB groups that ARE MUCH MORE HELPFUL and informative. I am sure there's one for transfer applicants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1) forget about transferring. you tried, it didn't work out, it's time to move on. look forward, not backward.
2) focus on GPA instead of clubs, volunteering. those are not important any more except for networking.
3) you need to focus on her career options. where she would like to work? work on getting internships there
4) stop comparing her college to wherever her HS went. HS is not important any more, and in 5 years, college won't be important, either
5) if prestige is very important to you, she should consider doing an MA in one of the brand name schools. since she is marketing, statistics would be ideal, if she can hack it.

SHE needs to focus on HER career options.

At some point, this is her life, not her mothers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate everyone’s input. I’m aware that my daughter isn’t a straight As valedictorian. I know she’s not getting into princeton but it also doesn’t automatically bar her from a better school. And yes, I used strong language because that’s how it’s felt watching her get rejected again and again.

We have considered “mid-level” schools, but even those seem tough to get into lately, and the ones I listed are places she’s always dreamed of attending. It’s not just me pushing some elitist agenda. I do believe she’s capable of higher-level work, or at least she wants to push herself toward that.

I think she has the potential to go farther than her current school allows. As for private counselors, we might look into it again, although some of the fees are sky high and we’ve already spent a lot on tutoring. And yes, the idea of grad school at a better-known university is on our radar, but she’d still prefer to fix her undergrad path if possible.

You need a counselor or professional in this space to review her candidacy objectively and be honest with you. Maybe she was applying as a business major (e.g., marketing) and she is 100% not competitive with that GPA. But if she changed to communication or public relations or something similar she'd have more luck?

Are finances relevant? Or are you full pay anywhere?

Seriously, ask Jeff to close this post to spare you more vitriol, hire a private counselor, and heed their advice.

[Anonymous]

Maybe just forget it and stay put, and focus on grad school instead if she's interested it it then she can put energy there and start compiling that list.