2024 JonBenet Documentary

[Anonymous]

I think that its that John Michael Karr guy and there is some issue with why the DNA didn't match.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve been in the “Burke did it” camp for a while but the new documentary certainly makes the Karr guy seem like the one. The DNA, from previous documentaries, is so minuscule that it’s irrelevant, and likely contaminated, so I don’t see how “the DNA doesn’t match him” matters at all. There is no DNA evidence at all as far as I’m concerned. Until the police test more things!!!

Didn’t watch the new documentary but I 100% think Burke did it, patsy covered it up and wrote the ransom note, and then when John figured out what had gone down, he felt he had no choice but to also cover it up.

Considering that every single aspect of the violence abduction staging and ransom note was executed with materials from the home, that jonbenet was ultimately found in a remote part of the house only the family really would know, and burkes disturbing behavior (including his feces found all over jonbenets room) Burke being responsible and family covering up is a lot more plausible to me than an intruder fumbling around the house and hanging out for hours knocking a child envious with a flashlight, assaulting her, strangling her violently to death with a garrote fashioned out of a paint stick and string that patsy had purchased from a hardware store weeks prior, staging an abduction with duct tape and loose string applied post mortem, hiding jonbenet in a blanket from the dryer in a remote cellar (containing Christmas gifts), hanging out in the kitchen to find a pad and paper and a sharpie to write a 3 page ransom note containing information about John’s bonus, and then gingerly laying the ransom note on the back staircase before letting himself out - all unnoticed.

Once you get over the mental hurdle that a mentally ill and probably unmedicated nearly ten year old would be capable of harming and likely accidentally killing a sibling, the commonly held theory around Burke doing it and parents covering makes the most rational sense given the evidence.

What happened to jonbenet is an unthinkable tragedy. I hope she is resting in peace.

Agree with this 100%

I'm another one in this camp. John has a very, "along for the ride" way about him in a lot of interviews. I think it was Burke and they both covered with Patsy taking the lead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that its that John Michael Karr guy and there is some issue with why the DNA didn't match.

But wasn’t he proven to be in another state at the time? Absolute creep but if he wasn’t in CO and they had to rule him out I don’t know why they included him in the doc.

[Anonymous]

If you hear hoofs, think horses not zebras. Maybe this was a zebra but, without any evidence of an intruder, family is who I suspect.

[Anonymous]

I don’t get the family did it theory.

Why was she tasered?

She was tortured. The garret are whatever is used to torture- she clawed away at it. She was alive during that and the sex abuse. You really think the mom or dad would have tortured her to cover up? That seems implausible.

And why did the police not release dna evidence after they found it in mid January? Why did they have to be sued to let the outside detective, who was highly skilled, present his intruder theory ti the grand jury.

Why didn’t anyone mention the serial rapist who was running around boulder breaking into the houses and hiding out for hours until everyone was asleep and then finding young girls to rape? Just a coincidence or was that patsy ramsey too?

I feel like some of you didn’t watch this documentary.

Someone in the police department was deeply corrupt. I’m wondering if a cop was the serial rapist and needed to cover up.

[Anonymous]

Clearly most of the people posting here didn’t actually watch the documentary.

[Anonymous]

The paint brush handle had been broken off, no way a 10 year old has that kind of strength or mind set. Agree with pp, unthinkable that a parent would torture their child to cover up for another. Can you honestly look at Patsy and think she would do it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the family did it theory.

Why was she tasered?

She was tortured. The garret are whatever is used to torture- she clawed away at it. She was alive during that and the sex abuse. You really think the mom or dad would have tortured her to cover up? That seems implausible.

And why did the police not release dna evidence after they found it in mid January? Why did they have to be sued to let the outside detective, who was highly skilled, present his intruder theory ti the grand jury.

Why didn’t anyone mention the serial rapist who was running around boulder breaking into the houses and hiding out for hours until everyone was asleep and then finding young girls to rape? Just a coincidence or was that patsy ramsey too?

I feel like some of you didn’t watch this documentary.

Someone in the police department was deeply corrupt. I’m wondering if a cop was the serial rapist and needed to cover up.

She wasn’t tasered. The marks on her back matched the tracks of burkes electric train set, which was set up in the basement. He knocked her unconscious with the flashlight after an altercation -likely after luring her down to the basement cellar to look at unopened Christmas presents for their upcoming trip with John’s kids from his first marriage. She was unconscious and when he couldn’t wake her up, poked her and experimented with her with the train tracks, a paintbrush and ultimately strangled her with a garrote, whether intentionally or not. Her bladder let loose this point on the carpet outside the cellar. Literally everything from the violent part of the attack was from materials in the kitchen and basement.

Patsy never went to sleep that night, was up late packing or whatnot, discovered the scene. She let out a blood curdling scream which a neighbor reported hearing. She found JB strangled to death - did not know she’d been knocked unconscious first with a fatal brain injury - and staged an abduction with duct tape over her mouth (that patsy’s sweater fibers were found on, and was undisturbed, proving it had been applied after jonbenet was already deceased.) she also used the same string as the garrote to loosely tie jonbenets wrists. She wiped down her legs and put new unopened underwear on her (”days of the week” underwear she had purchased from bloomingdales for an older niece.) wrapped her in a blanket that the housekeeper had left in the dryer, in fact, so recently removed that a nightgown was stuck to it with static.

She then wrote a three page ransom note with materials from the kitchen. Neighbors reported seeing dim lights on in the kitchen around 3am. John, who had taken a sleeping pill the night before expecting to fly their plane to Michigan, woke up to a scene of a staged ransom note and patsy calling 911. patsy called a bunch of friends over and got Burke out of the house, which is NOT what normal parents would do after their other child had been abducted. He knew something was off but did not figure out the full extent of things until the time for a ransom call came and went, and he disappears for an hour to the basement where he discovered jonbenet. He completed some elements of staging. Patsy was still wearing the same clothes and makeup as the night prior, indicating that she never slept.

The sole suitcase found in the basement was probably there to try to remove her from the house, but rigor mortis had set in by that point.

A few hours later, in searching the house again, John made a beeline for the cellar where they discovered jonbenet. that evening, John tried to get the family out of state to Atlanta, which the police informed them they could not do.

Burke never showed concern for his missing sister or for his own safety. And he indicated to police before autopsy results were available that he knew how JB died - that a “a bad guy” had hit her over the head.

Burke had a history of psychological behaviors - including police finding his fecal matter in jonbenets room and on a box of chocolates she’d received for Christmas - and had attempted to hit her in the head with a golf club the summer prior. He was troubled and likely not being adequately treated.

A horrible case but most likely scenario of what happened.

[Anonymous]

Ok, hiw about this. What if it was a stranger but Patsy thought Burke did it? So she added items into the evidence.

The garrot seems pretty sophisticated. If someone asked me, an adult, to create one, I'd have no idea how to do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that its that John Michael Karr guy and there is some issue with why the DNA didn't match.

He wasn’t in boulder when the crime was committed. He is a disturbed pedophile who was obsessed with her and the case

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that its that John Michael Karr guy and there is some issue with why the DNA didn't match.

NO ONE thinks it was Karr. The entire point of that part of the documentary was to show you that it was plausible that an intruder killed her, not that Karr actually did it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the family did it theory.

Why was she tasered?

She was tortured. The garret are whatever is used to torture- she clawed away at it. She was alive during that and the sex abuse. You really think the mom or dad would have tortured her to cover up? That seems implausible.

And why did the police not release dna evidence after they found it in mid January? Why did they have to be sued to let the outside detective, who was highly skilled, present his intruder theory ti the grand jury.

Why didn’t anyone mention the serial rapist who was running around boulder breaking into the houses and hiding out for hours until everyone was asleep and then finding young girls to rape? Just a coincidence or was that patsy ramsey too?

I feel like some of you didn’t watch this documentary.

Someone in the police department was deeply corrupt. I’m wondering if a cop was the serial rapist and needed to cover up.

She wasn’t tasered. The marks on her back matched the tracks of burkes electric train set, which was set up in the basement. He knocked her unconscious with the flashlight after an altercation -likely after luring her down to the basement cellar to look at unopened Christmas presents for their upcoming trip with John’s kids from his first marriage. She was unconscious and when he couldn’t wake her up, poked her and experimented with her with the train tracks, a paintbrush and ultimately strangled her with a garrote, whether intentionally or not. Her bladder let loose this point on the carpet outside the cellar. Literally everything from the violent part of the attack was from materials in the kitchen and basement.

Patsy never went to sleep that night, was up late packing or whatnot, discovered the scene. She let out a blood curdling scream which a neighbor reported hearing. She found JB strangled to death - did not know she’d been knocked unconscious first with a fatal brain injury - and staged an abduction with duct tape over her mouth (that patsy’s sweater fibers were found on, and was undisturbed, proving it had been applied after jonbenet was already deceased.) she also used the same string as the garrote to loosely tie jonbenets wrists. She wiped down her legs and put new unopened underwear on her (”days of the week” underwear she had purchased from bloomingdales for an older niece.) wrapped her in a blanket that the housekeeper had left in the dryer, in fact, so recently removed that a nightgown was stuck to it with static.

She then wrote a three page ransom note with materials from the kitchen. Neighbors reported seeing dim lights on in the kitchen around 3am. John, who had taken a sleeping pill the night before expecting to fly their plane to Michigan, woke up to a scene of a staged ransom note and patsy calling 911. patsy called a bunch of friends over and got Burke out of the house, which is NOT what normal parents would do after their other child had been abducted. He knew something was off but did not figure out the full extent of things until the time for a ransom call came and went, and he disappears for an hour to the basement where he discovered jonbenet. He completed some elements of staging. Patsy was still wearing the same clothes and makeup as the night prior, indicating that she never slept.

The sole suitcase found in the basement was probably there to try to remove her from the house, but rigor mortis had set in by that point.

A few hours later, in searching the house again, John made a beeline for the cellar where they discovered jonbenet. that evening, John tried to get the family out of state to Atlanta, which the police informed them they could not do.

Burke never showed concern for his missing sister or for his own safety. And he indicated to police before autopsy results were available that he knew how JB died - that a “a bad guy” had hit her over the head.

Burke had a history of psychological behaviors - including police finding his fecal matter in jonbenets room and on a box of chocolates she’d received for Christmas - and had attempted to hit her in the head with a golf club the summer prior. He was troubled and likely not being adequately treated.

A horrible case but most likely scenario of what happened.

Um, you don’t stage an abduction by duct taping someone’s mouth and tying their hands and then leaving their body in your home. You stage an abduction by removing the person/body from the home. Especially not if your spouse intends to find the body when police Keystone Cop the situation and can’t locate it.

And no 9 year old is going to keep all of that a secret. They are terrible secret keepers.

[Anonymous]

Was there a serial rapist in Boulder? I just started watching the documentary. I don't know if I care to watch the whole thing.

I judged the family based on the beauty pageants.

My cousin is in high school dance competitions.

I am a woman. I went once to a long all day competition.

There are young girls changing their clothes and costumes out in the open. No privacy. Huge hall where they change their clothes.

Lots of men walking around. Brothers, fathers, photographers. Who knows.

And I noticed weird photos on FB marketplace of people selling these dance costumes. The girls faces are blacked out. It looks pornographic. And no I am not a pervert. People need to see the world sometimes from a less naive vantage point.

It wouldn't be odd that some pervert was following Jon Benet in the public eye and stalking her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the family did it theory.

Why was she tasered?

She was tortured. The garret are whatever is used to torture- she clawed away at it. She was alive during that and the sex abuse. You really think the mom or dad would have tortured her to cover up? That seems implausible.

And why did the police not release dna evidence after they found it in mid January? Why did they have to be sued to let the outside detective, who was highly skilled, present his intruder theory ti the grand jury.

Why didn’t anyone mention the serial rapist who was running around boulder breaking into the houses and hiding out for hours until everyone was asleep and then finding young girls to rape? Just a coincidence or was that patsy ramsey too?

I feel like some of you didn’t watch this documentary.

Someone in the police department was deeply corrupt. I’m wondering if a cop was the serial rapist and needed to cover up.

She wasn’t tasered. The marks on her back matched the tracks of burkes electric train set, which was set up in the basement. He knocked her unconscious with the flashlight after an altercation -likely after luring her down to the basement cellar to look at unopened Christmas presents for their upcoming trip with John’s kids from his first marriage. She was unconscious and when he couldn’t wake her up, poked her and experimented with her with the train tracks, a paintbrush and ultimately strangled her with a garrote, whether intentionally or not. Her bladder let loose this point on the carpet outside the cellar. Literally everything from the violent part of the attack was from materials in the kitchen and basement.

Patsy never went to sleep that night, was up late packing or whatnot, discovered the scene. She let out a blood curdling scream which a neighbor reported hearing. She found JB strangled to death - did not know she’d been knocked unconscious first with a fatal brain injury - and staged an abduction with duct tape over her mouth (that patsy’s sweater fibers were found on, and was undisturbed, proving it had been applied after jonbenet was already deceased.) she also used the same string as the garrote to loosely tie jonbenets wrists. She wiped down her legs and put new unopened underwear on her (”days of the week” underwear she had purchased from bloomingdales for an older niece.) wrapped her in a blanket that the housekeeper had left in the dryer, in fact, so recently removed that a nightgown was stuck to it with static.

She then wrote a three page ransom note with materials from the kitchen. Neighbors reported seeing dim lights on in the kitchen around 3am. John, who had taken a sleeping pill the night before expecting to fly their plane to Michigan, woke up to a scene of a staged ransom note and patsy calling 911. patsy called a bunch of friends over and got Burke out of the house, which is NOT what normal parents would do after their other child had been abducted. He knew something was off but did not figure out the full extent of things until the time for a ransom call came and went, and he disappears for an hour to the basement where he discovered jonbenet. He completed some elements of staging. Patsy was still wearing the same clothes and makeup as the night prior, indicating that she never slept.

The sole suitcase found in the basement was probably there to try to remove her from the house, but rigor mortis had set in by that point.

A few hours later, in searching the house again, John made a beeline for the cellar where they discovered jonbenet. that evening, John tried to get the family out of state to Atlanta, which the police informed them they could not do.

Burke never showed concern for his missing sister or for his own safety. And he indicated to police before autopsy results were available that he knew how JB died - that a “a bad guy” had hit her over the head.

Burke had a history of psychological behaviors - including police finding his fecal matter in jonbenets room and on a box of chocolates she’d received for Christmas - and had attempted to hit her in the head with a golf club the summer prior. He was troubled and likely not being adequately treated.

A horrible case but most likely scenario of what happened.

Um, you don’t stage an abduction by duct taping someone’s mouth and tying their hands and then leaving their body in your home. You stage an abduction by removing the person/body from the home. Especially not if your spouse intends to find the body when police Keystone Cop the situation and can’t locate it.

And no 9 year old is going to keep all of that a secret. They are terrible secret keepers.

Plus there was an unlocked door and no alarm set. With all of the people in and out of the house how could the possibly say “no intruder”? How would they even know if someone let themselves in and out the same door.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the family did it theory.

Why was she tasered?

She was tortured. The garret are whatever is used to torture- she clawed away at it. She was alive during that and the sex abuse. You really think the mom or dad would have tortured her to cover up? That seems implausible.

And why did the police not release dna evidence after they found it in mid January? Why did they have to be sued to let the outside detective, who was highly skilled, present his intruder theory ti the grand jury.

Why didn’t anyone mention the serial rapist who was running around boulder breaking into the houses and hiding out for hours until everyone was asleep and then finding young girls to rape? Just a coincidence or was that patsy ramsey too?

I feel like some of you didn’t watch this documentary.

Someone in the police department was deeply corrupt. I’m wondering if a cop was the serial rapist and needed to cover up.

She wasn’t tasered. The marks on her back matched the tracks of burkes electric train set, which was set up in the basement. He knocked her unconscious with the flashlight after an altercation -likely after luring her down to the basement cellar to look at unopened Christmas presents for their upcoming trip with John’s kids from his first marriage. She was unconscious and when he couldn’t wake her up, poked her and experimented with her with the train tracks, a paintbrush and ultimately strangled her with a garrote, whether intentionally or not. Her bladder let loose this point on the carpet outside the cellar. Literally everything from the violent part of the attack was from materials in the kitchen and basement.

Patsy never went to sleep that night, was up late packing or whatnot, discovered the scene. She let out a blood curdling scream which a neighbor reported hearing. She found JB strangled to death - did not know she’d been knocked unconscious first with a fatal brain injury - and staged an abduction with duct tape over her mouth (that patsy’s sweater fibers were found on, and was undisturbed, proving it had been applied after jonbenet was already deceased.) she also used the same string as the garrote to loosely tie jonbenets wrists. She wiped down her legs and put new unopened underwear on her (”days of the week” underwear she had purchased from bloomingdales for an older niece.) wrapped her in a blanket that the housekeeper had left in the dryer, in fact, so recently removed that a nightgown was stuck to it with static.

She then wrote a three page ransom note with materials from the kitchen. Neighbors reported seeing dim lights on in the kitchen around 3am. John, who had taken a sleeping pill the night before expecting to fly their plane to Michigan, woke up to a scene of a staged ransom note and patsy calling 911. patsy called a bunch of friends over and got Burke out of the house, which is NOT what normal parents would do after their other child had been abducted. He knew something was off but did not figure out the full extent of things until the time for a ransom call came and went, and he disappears for an hour to the basement where he discovered jonbenet. He completed some elements of staging. Patsy was still wearing the same clothes and makeup as the night prior, indicating that she never slept.

The sole suitcase found in the basement was probably there to try to remove her from the house, but rigor mortis had set in by that point.

A few hours later, in searching the house again, John made a beeline for the cellar where they discovered jonbenet. that evening, John tried to get the family out of state to Atlanta, which the police informed them they could not do.

Burke never showed concern for his missing sister or for his own safety. And he indicated to police before autopsy results were available that he knew how JB died - that a “a bad guy” had hit her over the head.

Burke had a history of psychological behaviors - including police finding his fecal matter in jonbenets room and on a box of chocolates she’d received for Christmas - and had attempted to hit her in the head with a golf club the summer prior. He was troubled and likely not being adequately treated.

A horrible case but most likely scenario of what happened.

Um, you don’t stage an abduction by duct taping someone’s mouth and tying their hands and then leaving their body in your home. You stage an abduction by removing the person/body from the home. Especially not if your spouse intends to find the body when police Keystone Cop the situation and can’t locate it.

And no 9 year old is going to keep all of that a secret. They are terrible secret keepers.

Plus there was an unlocked door and no alarm set. With all of the people in and out of the house how could the possibly say “no intruder”? How would they even know if someone let themselves in and out the same door.

Why would the intruder use only supplies from
The house to kill her? Why would the intruder sit in the kitchen with her and eat pineapple? Why would the intruder write a long ransom note after killing her with the household notepad and pen and put them back where they belonged in the drawer? And how would the intruder know patsy would come down the back spiral stairs in the morning?