This is not because the law schools are selecting for harvard grads. It's because law schools are selecting for pretty much the same things harvard undergrad was selecting for. |
Med schools also select for the same things that these very selective undergrads select for. |
No, there is always institutional bias towards the university's own grads. You see it at all top law schools. HLS, Yale, Stanford Law all have a disproportionate no. of undergrads. There would be an outrage from the alums if it were otherwise. |
There are professional and grad schools that disfavor their own undergrads. There's a view by many academics that you create an inbred environment if students don't move between institutions. Harvard and Yale don't subscribe to this belief, as they consider themselves superior, but many other schools do. |
Harvard and Yale have a lot of talented undergrads. That's why you see them highly represented. But you aren't going to see undergrads in the bottom 30% of the Harvard and Yale classes going on to top professional programs. And it's pretty darn embarrassing to graduate from Harvard or Yale and then end up at as school like George Mason or American for law school, likely because of a poor GPA, so it's not frequently done. |
The 3.6 GPA kids from ivies go to UVA Law. We know several. We know a 3.3 engineering ivy grad who is at Michigan for Law. Yes the LSAT was very high. 3.6 is bottom third at an ivy, and most still are able to crack out 168+ LSATs. At Brown 3.6 bottom 20% and they also go to good law schools just not HLS or YLS. |
Is NYU law school full of NYU grads? Is it possible that Yale law school has a lot of yale undergrads because (A) a lot of yale undergrads apply to yale law school and (B) yale undergrad shares a lot of the same admissions priorities as yale law school? |
It's not just GPA. It's also LSAT score. Harvard and Yale both have students that had good but not great SAT scores. Take David Hogg for example. His SAT scores was a good 1320. He would have gotten somewhere between a 160-165 LSAT score and depending on his GPA would have gotten into maybe George Washington or American University Law School. He didn't go to law school despite everything about his trajectory pointing to it. He has a harvard degree and he's going to ride it out with that. |
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| I worked many years in admissions at a T10 law school and a high GPA/LSAT from a state flagship type of school was not viewed as any less favorable than Ivy/Top private for undergrad. There was zero pressure on us to admit from certain schools. All the pressure was on reporting gpa/lsat percentiles. |
Not according to data from every elite i looked up: the same institution is in the top 3 of grad and professional programs "first destinations" |
They’re still going to get in this thread and tell you why you’re wrong
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The people I know with grad degrees really don't make much money.
My friends with 4 year degrees are more successful. |
Narrowminded view dude,success is not all $. Presuming you are ignoring law and med school which lead to huge salaries (even primary care docs get 220-400k these days). Grad schools can lead to a job as a top innovator in tech, a new medical breakthrough, cutting edge research and development: this happens for phD in both the private sector and academia; some people value being an expert in their niche field over $. |
I guess schools like MIT, CMU, Rice, Caltech, Hopkins have more students go into careers related to engineering, technology, medicine, math, physics etc, not as many interested in law schools. |