If most careers require grad school does where you get your 4 year degree really matter?

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Outside of law and medicine which jobs require a masters? I think there are far more jobs that Don’t require a masters than ones that do ?

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And it is a big savings. My brother for instance Did Columbia grad school while living at home and went away to a no name cheap undergraduate

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"Most careers" do not require grad school.

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Anonymous wrote:"Most careers" do not require grad school.

This.

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While most careers do not require grad school, it's true that if you go to graduate school the caliber of your grad school is far more important than where you attended undergrad.

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Your premise is off. 35% of Americans over age 25 have a bachelor’s degree. Only 13% have a graduate degree. So most college graduates (about 60%) will not in fact go on to get a graduate degree.

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Anonymous wrote:Eh, not all schools are equal.

A top honors degree from third rate undergrad may not get you into prestigious graduate school, especially if their programs suck in your field of interest.

This. The undergraduate reputation/prestige correlates to the grad schools where the students go.
Example: the top 5 grad schools from NC state, UGA —good but not top flagships—are similar level schools.
The top 5 grad schools coming out of Duke? MIT, Duke, Harvard, Columbia, NYU. Ivies are similar: the top 5 is almost always including the ivy itself, MIT, Harvard, Stanford and another top school.
PhDs which are fully paid /funded including stipends of $45k or so are about half of grad programs coming out of top schools, whereas at non elite /nonflagships of the ones not going to professional school, less than 10% go to phD, the rest are masters. Most masters, outside of elite programs at ivies or others, are not funded at all. Guess who gets into the funded masters.
Careers after phD or masters is highly dependent on the prestiges of program. Getting into the most prestigious grad programs heavily correlates with attending a top20 private or a top15 LAC or a top15Public. Those 50 schools boost . The ivy/plus group of 12 schools give the biggest boost.
Undergrad matters.

BA from Arizona State, fully funded PhD from Chicago here.

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Anonymous wrote:Outside of law and medicine which jobs require a masters? I think there are far more jobs that Don’t require a masters than ones that do ?

Lots of DC area “policy” jobs do.

Don’t most teachers have a master’s now?

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Anonymous wrote:Outside of law and medicine which jobs require a masters? I think there are far more jobs that Don’t require a masters than ones that do ?

Lots of DC area “policy” jobs do.

Don’t most teachers have a master’s now?

Yeah, teachers get a silly Masters in Education that even teachers think is stupid...but it's an automatic pay bump, so why not.

If I recall the govt also has automatic pay bumps for advanced degrees and there was a scandal about people getting mail-order advanced degrees.

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Anonymous wrote:Eh, not all schools are equal.

A top honors degree from third rate undergrad may not get you into prestigious graduate school, especially if their programs suck in your field of interest.

There's a lot to be said for being the big fish in a small pond. I ended up at a third rate undergrad for financial reasons and had no problem getting into a top grad school and top law school. Leaving undergrad I had tons of awards, glowing recommendations, and perfect grades. I don't know that my application would have been as stellar from a more competitive school.

How many other kids from your undergrad were at your top law school with you? How many of your law school classmates graduated from the undergrad of your law school?

Congrats to PP for threading the needle and getting into top law school the harder way. We have a very close relative at Yale law. They went to a different ivy for undergraduate. Over half of the YL entering class each year is from the same 20 or so elite undergrads. Most of the rest are from T25-40 types/6-15 ranked LACs. There are almost no students from colleges below the top100 and these students are either hooked demographics or truly genius.

Yale lists the 86 undergrad institutions that are represented at Yale Law School on their website. You'll see lots of non-prestigious schools listed, from Northern Arizona University to Florida International University to Southern Utah University.

https://law.yale.edu/admissions/profiles-statistics

Yale used to list the number of Yale law students attending by their undergrad school. The top 20 schools comprised 65% of the entire law school. Yale undergrad was 20% of Yale law school.

Then there was one kid from all the remaining schools...though they listed more than 86 in total.

ear after year, Yale Law School is ranked #1 in the US. (Harvard Law & Stanford Law School complete the top 3, followed by Chicago, Columbia, & NYU as the top 6 law schools in the USA.)

In 2019 (last year they tracked these stats..600 law students in total)), the undergraduate schools with the highest number of alumni then at Yale Law School were:

Yale--90 students enrolled in YLS
Harvard--59
Columbia--34
Princeton--31

Stanford--22
Dartmouth--21
Cornell--19
U Chicago--18
Brown--17
U Penn-16

UC-Berkeley--13
Georgetown--13
Duke--10

Northwestern--8
U Michigan--8
USC--8
U Virginia--7
Johns Hopkins--7

Among LACs:

Amherst--6
Swarthmore--6
Bowdoin--5
Barnard--4
Pomona--4
Wellesley--4
Williams--4

Looks like a good Top 25 list for humanities majors planning on attending law school.

You listed UVA when no one else did - Booster! Sorry - wanted to be that guy once.

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The richest people in the world don't have Masters degrees for the most part. Some dropped out of graduate programs.

Warren Buffett and Michael Bloomberg are the only ones in the top 10 with graduate degrees.

60% of the Forbes 400 has only a HS degree or a College degree.

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Anonymous wrote:Eh, not all schools are equal.

A top honors degree from third rate undergrad may not get you into prestigious graduate school, especially if their programs suck in your field of interest.

There's a lot to be said for being the big fish in a small pond. I ended up at a third rate undergrad for financial reasons and had no problem getting into a top grad school and top law school. Leaving undergrad I had tons of awards, glowing recommendations, and perfect grades. I don't know that my application would have been as stellar from a more competitive school.

How many other kids from your undergrad were at your top law school with you? How many of your law school classmates graduated from the undergrad of your law school?

Congrats to PP for threading the needle and getting into top law school the harder way. We have a very close relative at Yale law. They went to a different ivy for undergraduate. Over half of the YL entering class each year is from the same 20 or so elite undergrads. Most of the rest are from T25-40 types/6-15 ranked LACs. There are almost no students from colleges below the top100 and these students are either hooked demographics or truly genius.

Yale lists the 86 undergrad institutions that are represented at Yale Law School on their website. You'll see lots of non-prestigious schools listed, from Northern Arizona University to Florida International University to Southern Utah University.

https://law.yale.edu/admissions/profiles-statistics

Yale used to list the number of Yale law students attending by their undergrad school. The top 20 schools comprised 65% of the entire law school. Yale undergrad was 20% of Yale law school.

Then there was one kid from all the remaining schools...though they listed more than 86 in total.

If you want to talk other measures of prestige, I clerked for a Federal Court of Appeal and the clerks in my chambers (including the groups before and after me) had undergrad degrees from Florida International University, Washington University in St Louis, Clarkson University, University of Miami, Northwestern, Princeton, University of Houston, Vanderbilt, University of Washington, and JMU. Lots of diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:The richest people in the world don't have Masters degrees for the most part. Some dropped out of graduate programs.

Warren Buffett and Michael Bloomberg are the only ones in the top 10 with graduate degrees.

60% of the Forbes 400 has only a HS degree or a College degree.

There are less than 0.1% of people so irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:"Most careers" do not require grad school.

This.

Keep telling yourself and your kids that...but it's absolutely not true. I have 2 recent grads and all of their friends are getting or working on prerequisites (yes, this is def. a thing) to secure masters degrees...

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Anonymous wrote:"Most careers" do not require grad school.

This.

Keep telling yourself and your kids that...but it's absolutely not true. I have 2 recent grads and all of their friends are getting or working on prerequisites (yes, this is def. a thing) to secure masters degrees...

Not sure why you are throwing you kids and their friends under the bus...sorry they aren't capable of getting jobs, but their failure isn't a testament to anything except their failure.