If most careers require grad school does where you get your 4 year degree really matter?

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Anonymous wrote:These posts are evergreens on a forum like this. It's wishful thinking, and frankly straight-up naive, to assume that going to a more prestigious grad school completely minimizes the undergrad experience. When you are at your separate college reunions, believe me, you are not "all the same". A prestigious undergrad is cachet that lasts a lifetime.

WYKYK.

Disagree. In law, no one cares where you went for undergrad. I went to a SLAC whose reputation has been sliding downhill for some time. But I was no 1 in the class so that got me into all T5 law schools. That has cachet. I go to those reunions. I went to one college reunion and it was so lame and boring that I've nevef been back. Same is true of undergrad when you go on to med school. You leave that behind

Let's face it - a major reason people pursue graduate degrees is to compensate for a degree from a lower-ranked undergraduate institution and/or having earned a degree in a soft major. Of course, certain professions, like law and medicine, require graduate school regardless of where the undergraduate degree was earned. That said, I disagree with the idea that your undergraduate degree doesn’t matter. Having elite degrees from both undergraduate and graduate schools is much more impressive - I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

You obviously don't have a grad degree and your contempt for them is insane. Someday you will be thankful that your heart surgeon, or divorce lawyer, or your kid's college professor, or the therapist helping you work through a major life crisis, or the scientist that found a cure for an ailment you suffer from, didn't have an oddball attitude like yours.

+1. The amount of ignorance here about advanced degrees from a “College and University” forum is astounding.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Ivy schools, why does it matter what 4 year you attend if most people need a graduate degree?

Also, if you don't go to grad school what benefit does a higher ranked college get you? Really curious because I feel like I am missing something?

61% of all CEOs have nothing more than a bachelor's degree. Most people get to very senior levels without a graduate degree.

My kid works for a tech start-up where 1/2 the company doesn't even have an undergraduate degree including one of the founders (and of course there are tons of famous founders without an undergraduate degree).

DD is at an Ivy and was telling me something similar recently. Most of the people she’s connecting with in the fields she’s interested in have top-tier undergraduate degrees but no graduate degrees.

Uh. Because that job/sector does not require grad or professional school to get the job. Law, medicine require the JD or MD. Ivy professor requires phD. Many tech research jobs hire phD not bachelors. Many jobs require MBA. Undergrad only works for some areas, but not for others. Mine are at ivies and their goals are going to require a doctorate, as are the goals of their friends

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Anonymous wrote:These posts are evergreens on a forum like this. It's wishful thinking, and frankly straight-up naive, to assume that going to a more prestigious grad school completely minimizes the undergrad experience. When you are at your separate college reunions, believe me, you are not "all the same". A prestigious undergrad is cachet that lasts a lifetime.

this made me laugh....but if it makes you feel better to believe this - dream on

Me too. To claim wishful thinking and then write something like “a prestigious undergrad is cachet that lasts a lifetime.” Hit the library, undergrad, you’ve got a degree to finish.

Ha. I graduated from college 30 years ago. I speak from experience. If it makes you feel better to pretend that this is not how the world works, dream on...

NP here. Could you explain some of benefits conferred by the Ivy undergrad degree?

We're trying to make decisions for our oldest now and not sure how to evaluate the ROI (we're UMC but not DCUM rich and we have 3 kids). I've met and worked with lots of Ivy grads earning the same or less than I did coming from much lower tier schools. Then there are Ivy grads with really high HHI's.

Kid#1 wants to be a lawyer. I get that the prestige of the law school matters. But does the undergrad matter too?

Thanks in advance for any insight as we grapple with college decisions.

Search the forum it has been answered already. There is a small undergrad preference by top law schools, most obvious is that most favor their own. Even without that boost, the ivy/elite experience that one can get at 15-16 schools in this country is irreplaceable. The peers, the smaller classes, the involved professors, the huge endowment that allows a lot of valuable undergrad experiences to be fully funded….
It is best to go to a top undergrad and a top law school.

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Anonymous wrote:These posts are evergreens on a forum like this. It's wishful thinking, and frankly straight-up naive, to assume that going to a more prestigious grad school completely minimizes the undergrad experience. When you are at your separate college reunions, believe me, you are not "all the same". A prestigious undergrad is cachet that lasts a lifetime.

this made me laugh....but if it makes you feel better to believe this - dream on

Me too. To claim wishful thinking and then write something like “a prestigious undergrad is cachet that lasts a lifetime.” Hit the library, undergrad, you’ve got a degree to finish.

Ha. I graduated from college 30 years ago. I speak from experience. If it makes you feel better to pretend that this is not how the world works, dream on...

NP here. Could you explain some of benefits conferred by the Ivy undergrad degree?

We're trying to make decisions for our oldest now and not sure how to evaluate the ROI (we're UMC but not DCUM rich and we have 3 kids). I've met and worked with lots of Ivy grads earning the same or less than I did coming from much lower tier schools. Then there are Ivy grads with really high HHI's.

Kid#1 wants to be a lawyer. I get that the prestige of the law school matters. But does the undergrad matter too?

Thanks in advance for any insight as we grapple with college decisions.

Search the forum it has been answered already. There is a small undergrad preference by top law schools, most obvious is that most favor their own. Even without that boost, the ivy/elite experience that one can get at 15-16 schools in this country is irreplaceable. The peers, the smaller classes, the involved professors, the huge endowment that allows a lot of valuable undergrad experiences to be fully funded….
It is best to go to a top undergrad and a top law school.

The problem with this is that apart from the small undergrad preference for a handful of law schools, the rest of these things can be found anywhere in the top 40 or so, and even some schools further down depending on program. These schools are swimming in money, they offer incredible opportunities, and apart from some intro classes the class sizes are all normal. Top students are ending up at all of them because Ivies have not expanded at the same pace as the student population. Same thing has happened with PhDs produced by Ivies versus the number of professorships available. It’s not the 1980s anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:These posts are evergreens on a forum like this. It's wishful thinking, and frankly straight-up naive, to assume that going to a more prestigious grad school completely minimizes the undergrad experience. When you are at your separate college reunions, believe me, you are not "all the same". A prestigious undergrad is cachet that lasts a lifetime.

this made me laugh....but if it makes you feel better to believe this - dream on

Me too. To claim wishful thinking and then write something like “a prestigious undergrad is cachet that lasts a lifetime.” Hit the library, undergrad, you’ve got a degree to finish.

Ha. I graduated from college 30 years ago. I speak from experience. If it makes you feel better to pretend that this is not how the world works, dream on...

NP here. Could you explain some of benefits conferred by the Ivy undergrad degree?

We're trying to make decisions for our oldest now and not sure how to evaluate the ROI (we're UMC but not DCUM rich and we have 3 kids). I've met and worked with lots of Ivy grads earning the same or less than I did coming from much lower tier schools. Then there are Ivy grads with really high HHI's.

Kid#1 wants to be a lawyer. I get that the prestige of the law school matters. But does the undergrad matter too?

Thanks in advance for any insight as we grapple with college decisions.

Search the forum it has been answered already. There is a small undergrad preference by top law schools, most obvious is that most favor their own. Even without that boost, the ivy/elite experience that one can get at 15-16 schools in this country is irreplaceable. The peers, the smaller classes, the involved professors, the huge endowment that allows a lot of valuable undergrad experiences to be fully funded….
It is best to go to a top undergrad and a top law school.

The problem with this is that apart from the small undergrad preference for a handful of law schools, the rest of these things can be found anywhere in the top 40 or so, and even some schools further down depending on program. These schools are swimming in money, they offer incredible opportunities, and apart from some intro classes the class sizes are all normal. Top students are ending up at all of them because Ivies have not expanded at the same pace as the student population. Same thing has happened with PhDs produced by Ivies versus the number of professorships available. It’s not the 1980s anymore.

And none of these things are ultimately that relevant for OPs original question.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Ivy schools, why does it matter what 4 year you attend if most people need a graduate degree?

Also, if you don't go to grad school what benefit does a higher ranked college get you? Really curious because I feel like I am missing something?

61% of all CEOs have nothing more than a bachelor's degree. Most people get to very senior levels without a graduate degree.

My kid works for a tech start-up where 1/2 the company doesn't even have an undergraduate degree including one of the founders (and of course there are tons of famous founders without an undergraduate degree).

DD is at an Ivy and was telling me something similar recently. Most of the people she’s connecting with in the fields she’s interested in have top-tier undergraduate degrees but no graduate degrees.

Uh. Because that job/sector does not require grad or professional school to get the job. Law, medicine require the JD or MD. Ivy professor requires phD. Many tech research jobs hire phD not bachelors. Many jobs require MBA. Undergrad only works for some areas, but not for others. Mine are at ivies and their goals are going to require a doctorate, as are the goals of their friends

Which jobs truly require an MBA?

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Ivy schools, why does it matter what 4 year you attend if most people need a graduate degree?

Also, if you don't go to grad school what benefit does a higher ranked college get you? Really curious because I feel like I am missing something?

61% of all CEOs have nothing more than a bachelor's degree. Most people get to very senior levels without a graduate degree.

My kid works for a tech start-up where 1/2 the company doesn't even have an undergraduate degree including one of the founders (and of course there are tons of famous founders without an undergraduate degree).

DD is at an Ivy and was telling me something similar recently. Most of the people she’s connecting with in the fields she’s interested in have top-tier undergraduate degrees but no graduate degrees.

Uh. Because that job/sector does not require grad or professional school to get the job. Law, medicine require the JD or MD. Ivy professor requires phD. Many tech research jobs hire phD not bachelors. Many jobs require MBA. Undergrad only works for some areas, but not for others. Mine are at ivies and their goals are going to require a doctorate, as are the goals of their friends

There is not a single job that requires an MBA. That used to kind of be the case like 30 years ago in say PE or even moving up in IBanking, but it has been declining ever since.

Your entire list of careers above is a very small percentage of the workforce.

I hope you realize that the vast majority of lawyers are deep in debt with terrible job prospects. Only a small fraction of all lawyers work for BigLaw.

Your Ivy kids clearly aren’t in areas with great career prospects…just because they chose such a path, doesn’t prove anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Ivy schools, why does it matter what 4 year you attend if most people need a graduate degree?

Also, if you don't go to grad school what benefit does a higher ranked college get you? Really curious because I feel like I am missing something?

61% of all CEOs have nothing more than a bachelor's degree. Most people get to very senior levels without a graduate degree.

My kid works for a tech start-up where 1/2 the company doesn't even have an undergraduate degree including one of the founders (and of course there are tons of famous founders without an undergraduate degree).

DD is at an Ivy and was telling me something similar recently. Most of the people she’s connecting with in the fields she’s interested in have top-tier undergraduate degrees but no graduate degrees.

Uh. Because that job/sector does not require grad or professional school to get the job. Law, medicine require the JD or MD. Ivy professor requires phD. Many tech research jobs hire phD not bachelors. Many jobs require MBA. Undergrad only works for some areas, but not for others. Mine are at ivies and their goals are going to require a doctorate, as are the goals of their friends

There is not a single job that requires an MBA. That used to kind of be the case like 30 years ago in say PE or even moving up in IBanking, but it has been declining ever since.

Your entire list of careers above is a very small percentage of the workforce.

I hope you realize that the vast majority of lawyers are deep in debt with terrible job prospects. Only a small fraction of all lawyers work for BigLaw.

Your Ivy kids clearly aren’t in areas with great career prospects…just because they chose such a path, doesn’t prove anything.

DP but the bolded sentence is not even remotely true. You only have to have looked for a job or at a job posting above mid level in the last (insert any period of time here) and you will know that.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Ivy schools, why does it matter what 4 year you attend if most people need a graduate degree?

Also, if you don't go to grad school what benefit does a higher ranked college get you? Really curious because I feel like I am missing something?

61% of all CEOs have nothing more than a bachelor's degree. Most people get to very senior levels without a graduate degree.

My kid works for a tech start-up where 1/2 the company doesn't even have an undergraduate degree including one of the founders (and of course there are tons of famous founders without an undergraduate degree).

DD is at an Ivy and was telling me something similar recently. Most of the people she’s connecting with in the fields she’s interested in have top-tier undergraduate degrees but no graduate degrees.

Uh. Because that job/sector does not require grad or professional school to get the job. Law, medicine require the JD or MD. Ivy professor requires phD. Many tech research jobs hire phD not bachelors. Many jobs require MBA. Undergrad only works for some areas, but not for others. Mine are at ivies and their goals are going to require a doctorate, as are the goals of their friends

There is not a single job that requires an MBA. That used to kind of be the case like 30 years ago in say PE or even moving up in IBanking, but it has been declining ever since.

Your entire list of careers above is a very small percentage of the workforce.

I hope you realize that the vast majority of lawyers are deep in debt with terrible job prospects. Only a small fraction of all lawyers work for BigLaw.

Your Ivy kids clearly aren’t in areas with great career prospects…just because they chose such a path, doesn’t prove anything.

DP but the bolded sentence is not even remotely true. You only have to have looked for a job or at a job posting above mid level in the last (insert any period of time here) and you will know that.

It is even remotely true…sorry, you weren’t capable of moving up through a company to achieve that position, or achieved in the real world.

I and friends have become PE partners, investment banking MDs and co-founders, major consulting firm global managing partners…without any graduate degrees.

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Anonymous wrote:Eh, not all schools are equal.

A top honors degree from third rate undergrad may not get you into prestigious graduate school, especially if their programs suck in your field of interest.

This. The undergraduate reputation/prestige correlates to the grad schools where the students go.
Example: the top 5 grad schools from NC state, UGA —good but not top flagships—are similar level schools.
The top 5 grad schools coming out of Duke? MIT, Duke, Harvard, Columbia, NYU. Ivies are similar: the top 5 is almost always including the ivy itself, MIT, Harvard, Stanford and another top school.
PhDs which are fully paid /funded including stipends of $45k or so are about half of grad programs coming out of top schools, whereas at non elite /nonflagships of the ones not going to professional school, less than 10% go to phD, the rest are masters. Most masters, outside of elite programs at ivies or others, are not funded at all. Guess who gets into the funded masters.
Careers after phD or masters is highly dependent on the prestiges of program. Getting into the most prestigious grad programs heavily correlates with attending a top20 private or a top15 LAC or a top15Public. Those 50 schools boost . The ivy/plus group of 12 schools give the biggest boost.
Undergrad matters.

I think that is more a symbol of wealth / ability to pay and will fade over time.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Ivy schools, why does it matter what 4 year you attend if most people need a graduate degree?

Also, if you don't go to grad school what benefit does a higher ranked college get you? Really curious because I feel like I am missing something?

61% of all CEOs have nothing more than a bachelor's degree. Most people get to very senior levels without a graduate degree.

My kid works for a tech start-up where 1/2 the company doesn't even have an undergraduate degree including one of the founders (and of course there are tons of famous founders without an undergraduate degree).

DD is at an Ivy and was telling me something similar recently. Most of the people she’s connecting with in the fields she’s interested in have top-tier undergraduate degrees but no graduate degrees.

Uh. Because that job/sector does not require grad or professional school to get the job. Law, medicine require the JD or MD. Ivy professor requires phD. Many tech research jobs hire phD not bachelors. Many jobs require MBA. Undergrad only works for some areas, but not for others. Mine are at ivies and their goals are going to require a doctorate, as are the goals of their friends

There is not a single job that requires an MBA. That used to kind of be the case like 30 years ago in say PE or even moving up in IBanking, but it has been declining ever since.

Your entire list of careers above is a very small percentage of the workforce.

I hope you realize that the vast majority of lawyers are deep in debt with terrible job prospects. Only a small fraction of all lawyers work for BigLaw.

Your Ivy kids clearly aren’t in areas with great career prospects…just because they chose such a path, doesn’t prove anything.

DP but the bolded sentence is not even remotely true. You only have to have looked for a job or at a job posting above mid level in the last (insert any period of time here) and you will know that.

It is even remotely true…sorry, you weren’t capable of moving up through a company to achieve that position, or achieved in the real world.

I and friends have become PE partners, investment banking MDs and co-founders, major consulting firm global managing partners…without any graduate degrees.

Haha this has nothing to do with me, I have a master’s degree in something else and a CFA, and do just fine in portfolio management. Where there are also tons of MBAs and where “MBA or CFA required” is a common part of the job descriptions. Just like amongst I-banking MDs. But keep pretending like you know what you are talking about, and keep pretending like you are successful. Your second paragraph is a massive tell.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Ivy schools, why does it matter what 4 year you attend if most people need a graduate degree?

Also, if you don't go to grad school what benefit does a higher ranked college get you? Really curious because I feel like I am missing something?

61% of all CEOs have nothing more than a bachelor's degree. Most people get to very senior levels without a graduate degree.

My kid works for a tech start-up where 1/2 the company doesn't even have an undergraduate degree including one of the founders (and of course there are tons of famous founders without an undergraduate degree).

DD is at an Ivy and was telling me something similar recently. Most of the people she’s connecting with in the fields she’s interested in have top-tier undergraduate degrees but no graduate degrees.

Uh. Because that job/sector does not require grad or professional school to get the job. Law, medicine require the JD or MD. Ivy professor requires phD. Many tech research jobs hire phD not bachelors. Many jobs require MBA. Undergrad only works for some areas, but not for others. Mine are at ivies and their goals are going to require a doctorate, as are the goals of their friends

There is not a single job that requires an MBA. That used to kind of be the case like 30 years ago in say PE or even moving up in IBanking, but it has been declining ever since.

Your entire list of careers above is a very small percentage of the workforce.

I hope you realize that the vast majority of lawyers are deep in debt with terrible job prospects. Only a small fraction of all lawyers work for BigLaw.

Your Ivy kids clearly aren’t in areas with great career prospects…just because they chose such a path, doesn’t prove anything.

DP but the bolded sentence is not even remotely true. You only have to have looked for a job or at a job posting above mid level in the last (insert any period of time here) and you will know that.

It is even remotely true…sorry, you weren’t capable of moving up through a company to achieve that position, or achieved in the real world.

I and friends have become PE partners, investment banking MDs and co-founders, major consulting firm global managing partners…without any graduate degrees.

Haha this has nothing to do with me, I have a master’s degree in something else and a CFA, and do just fine in portfolio management. Where there are also tons of MBAs and where “MBA or CFA required” is a common part of the job descriptions. Just like amongst I-banking MDs. But keep pretending like you know what you are talking about, and keep pretending like you are successful. Your second paragraph is a massive tell.

Haha...you actually revealed yourself to be quite the professional failure. However, a CFA is of course very different from an MBA and obtained by low level equity analysts that barely exist anymore.

Considering JP Morgan is upset about their analysts (all just undergrads) getting poached by Blackstone and others to be P/E associates in two-years time (hence, eliminating JP Morgan the opportunity to promote them through the ranks), even before they have stepped foot in JP Morgan after graduating from college, just proves you are a crusty fool that couldn't hack it.

Hey, Vanguard manager...go back to creating another ETF and stop wasting your time on DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Ivy schools, why does it matter what 4 year you attend if most people need a graduate degree?

Also, if you don't go to grad school what benefit does a higher ranked college get you? Really curious because I feel like I am missing something?

61% of all CEOs have nothing more than a bachelor's degree. Most people get to very senior levels without a graduate degree.

My kid works for a tech start-up where 1/2 the company doesn't even have an undergraduate degree including one of the founders (and of course there are tons of famous founders without an undergraduate degree).

DD is at an Ivy and was telling me something similar recently. Most of the people she’s connecting with in the fields she’s interested in have top-tier undergraduate degrees but no graduate degrees.

Uh. Because that job/sector does not require grad or professional school to get the job. Law, medicine require the JD or MD. Ivy professor requires phD. Many tech research jobs hire phD not bachelors. Many jobs require MBA. Undergrad only works for some areas, but not for others. Mine are at ivies and their goals are going to require a doctorate, as are the goals of their friends

There is not a single job that requires an MBA. That used to kind of be the case like 30 years ago in say PE or even moving up in IBanking, but it has been declining ever since.

Your entire list of careers above is a very small percentage of the workforce.

I hope you realize that the vast majority of lawyers are deep in debt with terrible job prospects. Only a small fraction of all lawyers work for BigLaw.

Your Ivy kids clearly aren’t in areas with great career prospects…just because they chose such a path, doesn’t prove anything.

DP but the bolded sentence is not even remotely true. You only have to have looked for a job or at a job posting above mid level in the last (insert any period of time here) and you will know that.

It is even remotely true…sorry, you weren’t capable of moving up through a company to achieve that position, or achieved in the real world.

I and friends have become PE partners, investment banking MDs and co-founders, major consulting firm global managing partners…without any graduate degrees.

Haha this has nothing to do with me, I have a master’s degree in something else and a CFA, and do just fine in portfolio management. Where there are also tons of MBAs and where “MBA or CFA required” is a common part of the job descriptions. Just like amongst I-banking MDs. But keep pretending like you know what you are talking about, and keep pretending like you are successful. Your second paragraph is a massive tell.

Haha...you actually revealed yourself to be quite the professional failure. However, a CFA is of course very different from an MBA and obtained by low level equity analysts that barely exist anymore.

Considering JP Morgan is upset about their analysts (all just undergrads) getting poached by Blackstone and others to be P/E associates in two-years time (hence, eliminating JP Morgan the opportunity to promote them through the ranks), even before they have stepped foot in JP Morgan after graduating from college, just proves you are a crusty fool that couldn't hack it.

Hey, Vanguard manager...go back to creating another ETF and stop wasting your time on DCUM.

This is hilarious and you have no idea how badly you just gave yourself away. People are constantly trying to make the jump from the sell-side to portfolio management roles, whether at hedge funds or mutual funds. And yes, except for some experienced traders making the jump to a hedge fund (or, these days, some quants depending on the fund), these jobs are always MBA or CFA required. This isn’t some secret, there is a constant flow from the sell-side to the buy-side. The fact that you think CFA = low level equity analyst shows how clueless you are about finance. And then your one example for your position is the recent Jamie Dimon comments that were posted about on here, because you have no real world experience of your own to draw from.

Don’t worry, when your internship is done you might learn all of this if you manage to land a full-time position.

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Anonymous wrote:Other than Ivy schools, why does it matter what 4 year you attend if most people need a graduate degree?

Also, if you don't go to grad school what benefit does a higher ranked college get you? Really curious because I feel like I am missing something?

I went to a school in the Wash. U/Emory/Rice/Tufts class: great private research universities with little name recognition outside of their regions.

The classes there are probably similar to the classes at UVa. or UNC. I don’t think a typical broke donut hole student who can get in-state tuition at UVa. should take out a lot of loans to go to Harvard, let alone the WERT schools.

Possible reasons to go WERT:

- You have the money and want a cosier, more personal, more comfortable experience.

- You hate the idea of going to a college tailgate party but don’t want a school as small as Amherst.

- You get great aid at a WERT school and it’s cheaper for you, net of grants, than your other comparable options.

- There’s some program at the WERT school that you really like.

- The alternatives available aren’t as good for a very bright student who wants to hang out with other very bright students and drink knowledge from a firehose. George Mason or the University of Nebraska might have enough very bright students to be a good fit for that kind of student. A regional state school or a weak state flagship with an average SAT score of 1100 might not be a comfortable place for a very bright student.

So you went to Tufts?

Yea tufts isn't the same level as the others. Feels like a sneak.

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Anonymous wrote:Only on DCUM would someone posit that you "need" a graduate degree.

+100
Most jobs do not need grad school. How silly.