Aps bond — yes or no

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I went to a (private, small) Montessori preschool+K years ago. It was good for me. I like the Montessori program. It is not an approach which works equally well for all children, however. Some kids would thrive, but others would have trouble with focus and not learn as much.

That said, Adding a 2nd ATS or (somehow) expanding the current ATS would make more sense than adding a Montessori. The number of applicants for the ATS lottery is a clear and strong demand signal for ATS.

Renovating multiple elementary schools each in turn starting with whichever is in the worst shape right now (using the one school as the swing space) also makes a lot of sense to me.

Some parts of the proposed uses for the bond seem to me like they should be lower priority.

And a “feasibility study” is very different from a commitment to actually renovate.

It seems like a very mixed bag to me.

It also makes more sense than KEEPING the existing Montessori program.

Or am I reading things wrong and MPSA is producing the same results as ATS?

Scrap it. Totally unnecessary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lolllllll

Ignoring our SA schools is what’s inequitable. No more option school funding till neighborhood schools are fixed.

South Arlington schools were actually the first to be completely rebuilt / renovated since APS overhauled the CIP program over 30 years ago:
- A renovated Gunston Middle School after reopening in 1994
- A brand new Kenmore Middle School
- Completely renovated Hoffman Boston
- Completely new Washington-Lee (Washington-Liberty) campus

These are all schools that serve a majority (over 50%) of students from South Arlington.

I believe the next schools that are in dire need of a complete rebuild or historically sensitive renovation include, TJ, Taylor, and Barrett. One of those serves a majority South Arlington population.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I went to a (private, small) Montessori preschool+K years ago. It was good for me. I like the Montessori program. It is not an approach which works equally well for all children, however. Some kids would thrive, but others would have trouble with focus and not learn as much.

That said, Adding a 2nd ATS or (somehow) expanding the current ATS would make more sense than adding a Montessori. The number of applicants for the ATS lottery is a clear and strong demand signal for ATS.

Renovating multiple elementary schools each in turn starting with whichever is in the worst shape right now (using the one school as the swing space) also makes a lot of sense to me.

Some parts of the proposed uses for the bond seem to me like they should be lower priority.

And a “feasibility study” is very different from a commitment to actually renovate.

It seems like a very mixed bag to me.

+1 use the empty career center for swing space to renovate TJMS because it’s in the worst shape.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Converting the legacy Career Center building is not adding new seats. It's replacing the old Patrick Henry Building. Net zero new seats. This is the last piece of the Career Center campus plan proposed by the CCWG. Tearing down Patrick Henry provides a field for the 1000+ Career Center students who need a field for PE and extracurriculars, like any student. If this project doesn't move forward, we leave an empty legacy Career Center building, which will be a costly relic, we leave a crappy PH building that needs HVAC, roof and more, which will be wasteful and expensive to repair. And we leave Career Center students without a field, which is inequitable. Saying this is a pet project for Montessori ignores the big picture.

But it’s adding new seats for the Montessori program even though ATS has the longest wait list and gets the best results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lolllllll

Ignoring our SA schools is what’s inequitable. No more option school funding till neighborhood schools are fixed.

South Arlington schools were actually the first to be completely rebuilt / renovated since APS overhauled the CIP program over 30 years ago:
- A renovated Gunston Middle School after reopening in 1994
- A brand new Kenmore Middle School
- Completely renovated Hoffman Boston
- Completely new Washington-Lee (Washington-Liberty) campus

These are all schools that serve a majority (over 50%) of students from South Arlington.

I believe the next schools that are in dire need of a complete rebuild or historically sensitive renovation include, TJ, Taylor, and Barrett. One of those serves a majority South Arlington population.

Tell me which part of the county serves the greatest number of students. Go on. Tell me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lolllllll

Ignoring our SA schools is what’s inequitable. No more option school funding till neighborhood schools are fixed.

South Arlington schools were actually the first to be completely rebuilt / renovated since APS overhauled the CIP program over 30 years ago:
- A renovated Gunston Middle School after reopening in 1994
- A brand new Kenmore Middle School
- Completely renovated Hoffman Boston
- Completely new Washington-Lee (Washington-Liberty) campus

These are all schools that serve a majority (over 50%) of students from South Arlington.

I believe the next schools that are in dire need of a complete rebuild or historically sensitive renovation include, TJ, Taylor, and Barrett. One of those serves a majority South Arlington population.

Tell me which part of the county serves the greatest number of students. Go on. Tell me.

The beautiful, new W-L Annex just opened to serve the growing South Arlington population. Next up would likely be TJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing we need to know is how much money was spent on VLP.

Totally irrelevant, except to Republican trolls.

An example of wasteful spending isn’t relevant to a discussion of current spending?

Ohhhhhhkay

A one-time project coming out of the pandemic vs. basic infrastructure updates.

Absolutely not relevant, except to Republican trolls.

It’s a perfect example of APS making terrible decisions when given a huge chunk of money. Of course no one trusts them anymore!

That money should’ve gone to a number of resources that could’ve helped students at the time. Trying to make their own Virtual Virginia was an asinine decision.

And totally irrelevant to the question....

Should we fund some basic infrastructure updates across APS schools? Yes, we should.

This isn't some wacky new idea to deal with an unprecedented situation -- this is updating roofs FFS.

You people are horrible.

So let’s update some roofs. SA schools first. No funds to Montessori.

Done.

Grow TF up.

That’s your best? “Grow up”?

Yes, PP is throwing a temper tantrum. An irrational reason to vote against the bond.

Seems like a lot of people agree, KH

Lots of sockpuppeting, perhaps.

Fortunately, most Arlington voters do want to support our schools and will vote yes.

I am a lifelong Democrat with kids in APS and I will vote No on Tuesday. It will be symbolic for me, since I agree there is no chance in hell that Arlington voters will say no to schools — under any conditions and particularly given the way the bond questions are phrased (as previously noted). I am frustrated by the lack of any pushback on APS spending and in general in the County. It seems from reading this thread that I am not alone. Of course, we will be a tiny minority.

Agree, a "no" vote is symbolic and won't keep the necessities from being funded. Hopefully it will send a message if enough people vote "no" but I doubt it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I went to a (private, small) Montessori preschool+K years ago. It was good for me. I like the Montessori program. It is not an approach which works equally well for all children, however. Some kids would thrive, but others would have trouble with focus and not learn as much.

That said, Adding a 2nd ATS or (somehow) expanding the current ATS would make more sense than adding a Montessori. The number of applicants for the ATS lottery is a clear and strong demand signal for ATS.

Renovating multiple elementary schools each in turn starting with whichever is in the worst shape right now (using the one school as the swing space) also makes a lot of sense to me.

Some parts of the proposed uses for the bond seem to me like they should be lower priority.

And a “feasibility study” is very different from a commitment to actually renovate.

It seems like a very mixed bag to me.

I don't love the notion of option schools, but I would support a second ATS over Montessori for the reasons you have stated. This Montessori nonsense isn't a good use of public funds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to a (private, small) Montessori preschool+K years ago. It was good for me. I like the Montessori program. It is not an approach which works equally well for all children, however. Some kids would thrive, but others would have trouble with focus and not learn as much.

That said, Adding a 2nd ATS or (somehow) expanding the current ATS would make more sense than adding a Montessori. The number of applicants for the ATS lottery is a clear and strong demand signal for ATS.

Renovating multiple elementary schools each in turn starting with whichever is in the worst shape right now (using the one school as the swing space) also makes a lot of sense to me.

Some parts of the proposed uses for the bond seem to me like they should be lower priority.

And a “feasibility study” is very different from a commitment to actually renovate.

It seems like a very mixed bag to me.

+1 use the empty career center for swing space to renovate TJMS because it’s in the worst shape.

Good idea and geographically logical but not sure it’s large enough

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Lolllllll

Ignoring our SA schools is what’s inequitable. No more option school funding till neighborhood schools are fixed.

South Arlington schools were actually the first to be completely rebuilt / renovated since APS overhauled the CIP program over 30 years ago:
- A renovated Gunston Middle School after reopening in 1994
- A brand new Kenmore Middle School
- Completely renovated Hoffman Boston
- Completely new Washington-Lee (Washington-Liberty) campus

These are all schools that serve a majority (over 50%) of students from South Arlington.

I believe the next schools that are in dire need of a complete rebuild or historically sensitive renovation include, TJ, Taylor, and Barrett. One of those serves a majority South Arlington population.

Tell me which part of the county serves the greatest number of students. Go on. Tell me.

The beautiful, new W-L Annex just opened to serve the growing South Arlington population. Next up would likely be TJ.

You’re acting like they spruced up Wakefield. W-L is in NA, lady.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lolllllll

Ignoring our SA schools is what’s inequitable. No more option school funding till neighborhood schools are fixed.

South Arlington schools were actually the first to be completely rebuilt / renovated since APS overhauled the CIP program over 30 years ago:
- A renovated Gunston Middle School after reopening in 1994
- A brand new Kenmore Middle School
- Completely renovated Hoffman Boston
- Completely new Washington-Lee (Washington-Liberty) campus

These are all schools that serve a majority (over 50%) of students from South Arlington.

I believe the next schools that are in dire need of a complete rebuild or historically sensitive renovation include, TJ, Taylor, and Barrett. One of those serves a majority South Arlington population.

Tell me which part of the county serves the greatest number of students. Go on. Tell me.

The beautiful, new W-L Annex just opened to serve the growing South Arlington population. Next up would likely be TJ.

You’re acting like they spruced up Wakefield. W-L is in NA, lady.

LOL. W-L primarily serves SA. /s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lolllllll

Ignoring our SA schools is what’s inequitable. No more option school funding till neighborhood schools are fixed.

South Arlington schools were actually the first to be completely rebuilt / renovated since APS overhauled the CIP program over 30 years ago:
- A renovated Gunston Middle School after reopening in 1994
- A brand new Kenmore Middle School
- Completely renovated Hoffman Boston
- Completely new Washington-Lee (Washington-Liberty) campus

These are all schools that serve a majority (over 50%) of students from South Arlington.

I believe the next schools that are in dire need of a complete rebuild or historically sensitive renovation include, TJ, Taylor, and Barrett. One of those serves a majority South Arlington population.

Tell me which part of the county serves the greatest number of students. Go on. Tell me.

The beautiful, new W-L Annex just opened to serve the growing South Arlington population. Next up would likely be TJ.

This is a debatable rationale for the annex. WL folks refuse to be redistricted to any other school, so the school is way over-enrolled. It is serving north arlington just as much (if not more).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lolllllll

Ignoring our SA schools is what’s inequitable. No more option school funding till neighborhood schools are fixed.

South Arlington schools were actually the first to be completely rebuilt / renovated since APS overhauled the CIP program over 30 years ago:
- A renovated Gunston Middle School after reopening in 1994
- A brand new Kenmore Middle School
- Completely renovated Hoffman Boston
- Completely new Washington-Lee (Washington-Liberty) campus

These are all schools that serve a majority (over 50%) of students from South Arlington.

I believe the next schools that are in dire need of a complete rebuild or historically sensitive renovation include, TJ, Taylor, and Barrett. One of those serves a majority South Arlington population.

Tell me which part of the county serves the greatest number of students. Go on. Tell me.

The beautiful, new W-L Annex just opened to serve the growing South Arlington population. Next up would likely be TJ.

You’re acting like they spruced up Wakefield. W-L is in NA, lady.

LOL. W-L primarily serves SA. /s

Does it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lolllllll

Ignoring our SA schools is what’s inequitable. No more option school funding till neighborhood schools are fixed.

South Arlington schools were actually the first to be completely rebuilt / renovated since APS overhauled the CIP program over 30 years ago:
- A renovated Gunston Middle School after reopening in 1994
- A brand new Kenmore Middle School
- Completely renovated Hoffman Boston
- Completely new Washington-Lee (Washington-Liberty) campus

These are all schools that serve a majority (over 50%) of students from South Arlington.

I believe the next schools that are in dire need of a complete rebuild or historically sensitive renovation include, TJ, Taylor, and Barrett. One of those serves a majority South Arlington population.

You didn't list a new Wakefield HS.
But remember: they wanted to only renovate the old Wakefield building. The only reason they didn't is that the cost was so prohibitive that building new was more efficient. And then keep in mind that they originally were not going to include any restrooms for the stadium. It was a triumph to get the 2 single-user ones they ultimately built.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lolllllll

Ignoring our SA schools is what’s inequitable. No more option school funding till neighborhood schools are fixed.

South Arlington schools were actually the first to be completely rebuilt / renovated since APS overhauled the CIP program over 30 years ago:
- A renovated Gunston Middle School after reopening in 1994
- A brand new Kenmore Middle School
- Completely renovated Hoffman Boston
- Completely new Washington-Lee (Washington-Liberty) campus

These are all schools that serve a majority (over 50%) of students from South Arlington.

I believe the next schools that are in dire need of a complete rebuild or historically sensitive renovation include, TJ, Taylor, and Barrett. One of those serves a majority South Arlington population.

You didn't list a new Wakefield HS.
But remember: they wanted to only renovate the old Wakefield building. The only reason they didn't is that the cost was so prohibitive that building new was more efficient. And then keep in mind that they originally were not going to include any restrooms for the stadium. It was a triumph to get the 2 single-user ones they ultimately built.

And a new Fleet (SA)
And a new Discovery (NA)
And a new Cardinal (NA)