MIT releases post-affirmative action class of 2028 data

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Anonymous wrote:Several posters already seem to be uncomfortable with how Asian elite schools are getting and it's still early in the process. Will we see "white flight" out of the ivies?

No.

A lot of Ivies already went through issues with Jewish students and women without losing appeal to white men.

This will just make Ivies more like a place like California, majority minority.

Big deal...my family has already started blending Wasian in the next gen. We are on trend.

Being Jewish is a big advantage at these schools. Look at the numbers.

Joining Hillel or Chaverim significantly increases your wealth over time

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Anonymous wrote:As expected. But a little surprised by the decline in Latino students. There are a gazillion students with at least a grandparent from Latin America. Lots of Brazilian, Argentinian, Chilean families value education.

Only 2% of Latino students score over 700 in math SAT, so you simply should not expect to see a lot of them at MIT.

If you're going by over 700 SAT math, MIT should be about
47% Asian
43% White
3% Black
7% Hispanic

Actual class of 2027 is not too far off from that
47% Asian
37% White
5% Black
11% Hispanic

Now do 790 SAT.

If MIT just tracked SAT math scores, it would be even more Asian.

At MIT, 25% percentile for SAT math is 790 and 75% percentile is 800.

For 800 math scores, here is the national breakdown by race:

Asian 3%
White <1%
Mixed race <1%
Native American <1%
Black <1%
Hispanic <1%
Pacific Islander <1%

For 750+ math scores, here is the national breakdown by race:

Asian 22%
White 4%
Mixed race 4%
Native American 1%
Black <1%
Hispanic 1%
Pacific Islander 1%

I would hope so. My kid has a 790 and she is by no means a math whiz or MIT quality. She's decent at math but will max out at Calculus AB.

I would assume that appropriate MIT applicants would get an 800 in their sleep.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As expected. But a little surprised by the decline in Latino students. There are a gazillion students with at least a grandparent from Latin America. Lots of Brazilian, Argentinian, Chilean families value education.

Only 2% of Latino students score over 700 in math SAT, so you simply should not expect to see a lot of them at MIT.

If you're going by over 700 SAT math, MIT should be about
47% Asian
43% White
3% Black
7% Hispanic

Actual class of 2027 is not too far off from that
47% Asian
37% White
5% Black
11% Hispanic

Now do 790 SAT.

If MIT just tracked SAT math scores, it would be even more Asian.

At MIT, 25% percentile for SAT math is 790 and 75% percentile is 800.

For 800 math scores, here is the national breakdown by race:

Asian 3%
White <1%
Mixed race <1%
Native American <1%
Black <1%
Hispanic <1%
Pacific Islander <1%

For 750+ math scores, here is the national breakdown by race:

Asian 22%
White 4%
Mixed race 4%
Native American 1%
Black <1%
Hispanic 1%
Pacific Islander 1%

That's crazy. I'm white and got 800 on math same with another kid at my high school.

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Anonymous wrote:Several posters already seem to be uncomfortable with how Asian elite schools are getting and it's still early in the process. Will we see "white flight" out of the ivies?

Some of it is people truly value a baseline of (and sadly a cap on) diversity and if they cant have it theyd rather not have the common trait be outlier test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:As expected. But a little surprised by the decline in Latino students. There are a gazillion students with at least a grandparent from Latin America. Lots of Brazilian, Argentinian, Chilean families value education.

Re-read what you wrote there and think about how incredibly racist it sounds.

[Anonymous]

I still think that if we're getting rid of affirmative action, then we should also get rid of recruiting for sports. There is no difference between recruiting/changing the admissions requirements for a minority student vs doing the same for an athlete.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the article:

For the incoming class of 2028, about 16 percent of students are Black, Hispanic, Native American and Pacific Islander, compared to a baseline of about 25 percent of undergraduate students in recent years, the announcement said.

The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

Well, yes, this is exactly what Asian Americans were saying -- they were the group that was being hurt by affirmative action. MIT doesn't have legacy admits, which unnaturally boost the white percentage at other elite schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still think that if we're getting rid of affirmative action, then we should also get rid of recruiting for sports. There is no difference between recruiting/changing the admissions requirements for a minority student vs doing the same for an athlete.

You will wipe out much of a race if that were to happen. And college football/basketball will be zero fun to watch. These athletes bring in TONs of $ to these colleges. If you are talking non-revenue sports, sure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From the article:

For the incoming class of 2028, about 16 percent of students are Black, Hispanic, Native American and Pacific Islander, compared to a baseline of about 25 percent of undergraduate students in recent years, the announcement said.

The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

Well, yes, this is exactly what Asian Americans were saying -- they were the group that was being hurt by affirmative action. MIT doesn't have legacy admits, which unnaturally boost the white percentage at other elite schools.

Doesn't Harvard have about the same percentage of whites as MIT does? But Harvard has legacy and MIT doesn't?

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Anonymous wrote:I still think that if we're getting rid of affirmative action, then we should also get rid of recruiting for sports. There is no difference between recruiting/changing the admissions requirements for a minority student vs doing the same for an athlete.

+100!!!

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Just a quick observation from outside the US, grouping all Asians together as a block is nuts.

60 percent of the world’s population lives in Asia including several of the world’s most and least advanced economies… and everything in between.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Just a quick observation from outside the US, grouping all Asians together as a block is nuts.

60 percent of the world’s population lives in Asia including several of the world’s most and least advanced economies… and everything in between.

most asians coming in are through phds and tech jobs

[Anonymous]

This helps the 11-25 schools the most. Black students that would get into MIT will now go to Duke, would be Duke students now go to Emory etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still think that if we're getting rid of affirmative action, then we should also get rid of recruiting for sports. There is no difference between recruiting/changing the admissions requirements for a minority student vs doing the same for an athlete.

I don't strongly disagree, but surely you recognize that one of these is valuing achievement and the other identity.

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Anonymous wrote:I still think that if we're getting rid of affirmative action, then we should also get rid of recruiting for sports. There is no difference between recruiting/changing the admissions requirements for a minority student vs doing the same for an athlete.

There is a huge difference, nitwit.

Recruited for sport = you have to be excellent at your sport, better than 95% of high school kids who play your sport. This requires exceptional MERIT.

AA = you were born with the “right” skin color. No merit, pure racism.

Furthermore athletes at elite schools have to meet high academic standards, and have high graduation rates, so they’re not stupid.