How do you think race actually impacts admissions now?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s disgusting that anyone cares if the Ivy League is 100% Asian- bring in the best candidates! Diversity = Mediocrity and should not be considered for admission to a top college. Anyone who says otherwise is a racist.

How about we let the Ivy League schools and other "elite schools" decide what they think makes the best freshman class? They are private universities and have the right to select for themselves.

I guess we should stop regulating businesses since they always are in the best interest of us too!

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at Harvard and there’s a clear intellectual chasm between his Asian friends and the black people in the class. Most of the blacks are in easy degrees like African Studies and Sociology, while Asian friends are in much more rigorous course work. Last year, only one Harvard math grad was black- very embarrassing for those students in Black studies

So when a black girl finishes Harvard with a degree in astrophysics it is all because of affirmative action? Her math doesn't actually math?

In the history of the world, there are only 26 black women that ever received a doctorate in astrophysics from any school.

I mean, c'mon. It's a problem.

Tell me about all the black people getting advanced degrees in astrophysics from Harvard.

Crickets.

Funny enough I met one a few months ago. Her name is Lanell Williams, pretty interesting person. I get your broader point though but thought it was interesting I have met these people

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know about undergrad, but it sure seems like med schools are still using affirmative action.

Med schools are a whole different world. I will say that having a black doctor can be life or death for black mothers. We also need rural doctors so AA for rural students, especially at UC Davis, is important. Medicine is a bit different, because it’s professional school that serves the public in important ways. Many of these top schools are finishing schools for consulting firms

This is a nice idea, but many just talk a good game on their application about serving their communities but just end up working for Kaiser. Also, if you think that med schools care about underserved communities, I have a bridge to sell you. Most care only about money, image, and rankings. And, as part of the image part, they like being able to take photos with minority students so they look like they care about diversity or serving diverse populations. They also like writing stories about the “path to medicine” of some white kid with a Spanish last name or whose great great great great great grandmother was Choctaw. It is such phony BS.

Whenever I meet posters like you, I realize that these schools can’t do anything to convince you. Affirmative action and rural recruitment is clear proof that they DO care about underrepresented people. Sure they can’t stop John Guzman, whose 90% white with some long Spanish background from applying as if he’s Hispanic, but the fact that he gets an admissions boost clearly shows that they do care at least a little about diversity.

Well, John Guzman shouldn’t get an admission boost in the first place, so why is this a good thing?

According to you they don’t care about underrepresented groups so there’s no boost to speak of. See the logical gap?

Ha! They can write a blurb about John (whose German Nazi ancestors fled to Mexico) and how his Mexican heritage shaped his life and how he witnessed healthcare inequities in “his” community on a trip to LA once and how this inspired his otherwise privileged pathway to medicine so that he could some day meet the medical needs of the poor Latino community when he will really just go into the most lucrative specialty he can. This is woke academia gold, so of course they give John the boost.

So true. That’s why most med school classes are majority White and Asian students who all had to go through in person interviews

And those students usually have sky high stats and a superhuman resume. But look at any of the “pathway to medicine” or white coat blurbs highlighting certain students and these people are never featured. It always takes the same form as the story described above. Schools want either high stat superhumans or URM feel good stories. This is the image they want to
portray.

They. Are. Everywhere.
You might just fixate too much on black women my dude. It’s ok to get help.

Stay in denial.

I guess I will. I tremble when I see a hospital with two black doctors and a 70%+ doctor staff that’s white or Asian. Ugh, did they have to hire TWO

Go to Kaiser.

If I’m ever in California, sure. I don’t tremble at board certified doctors just because their skin is different than mine

But you are fine with Asians who also have a different skin than yours getting screwed because you don’t get as many woke points for supporting them? OK, Trembles.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at Harvard and there’s a clear intellectual chasm between his Asian friends and the black people in the class. Most of the blacks are in easy degrees like African Studies and Sociology, while Asian friends are in much more rigorous course work. Last year, only one Harvard math grad was black- very embarrassing for those students in Black studies

So when a black girl finishes Harvard with a degree in astrophysics it is all because of affirmative action? Her math doesn't actually math?

In the history of the world, there are only 26 black women that ever received a doctorate in astrophysics from any school.

I mean, c'mon. It's a problem.

Tell me about all the black people getting advanced degrees in astrophysics from Harvard.

Crickets.

Dude, I'm afraid you are cracked enough to start stalking her.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know about undergrad, but it sure seems like med schools are still using affirmative action.

Med schools are a whole different world. I will say that having a black doctor can be life or death for black mothers. We also need rural doctors so AA for rural students, especially at UC Davis, is important. Medicine is a bit different, because it’s professional school that serves the public in important ways. Many of these top schools are finishing schools for consulting firms

This is a nice idea, but many just talk a good game on their application about serving their communities but just end up working for Kaiser. Also, if you think that med schools care about underserved communities, I have a bridge to sell you. Most care only about money, image, and rankings. And, as part of the image part, they like being able to take photos with minority students so they look like they care about diversity or serving diverse populations. They also like writing stories about the “path to medicine” of some white kid with a Spanish last name or whose great great great great great grandmother was Choctaw. It is such phony BS.

Whenever I meet posters like you, I realize that these schools can’t do anything to convince you. Affirmative action and rural recruitment is clear proof that they DO care about underrepresented people. Sure they can’t stop John Guzman, whose 90% white with some long Spanish background from applying as if he’s Hispanic, but the fact that he gets an admissions boost clearly shows that they do care at least a little about diversity.

Well, John Guzman shouldn’t get an admission boost in the first place, so why is this a good thing?

According to you they don’t care about underrepresented groups so there’s no boost to speak of. See the logical gap?

Ha! They can write a blurb about John (whose German Nazi ancestors fled to Mexico) and how his Mexican heritage shaped his life and how he witnessed healthcare inequities in “his” community on a trip to LA once and how this inspired his otherwise privileged pathway to medicine so that he could some day meet the medical needs of the poor Latino community when he will really just go into the most lucrative specialty he can. This is woke academia gold, so of course they give John the boost.

So true. That’s why most med school classes are majority White and Asian students who all had to go through in person interviews

And those students usually have sky high stats and a superhuman resume. But look at any of the “pathway to medicine” or white coat blurbs highlighting certain students and these people are never featured. It always takes the same form as the story described above. Schools want either high stat superhumans or URM feel good stories. This is the image they want to
portray.

They. Are. Everywhere.
You might just fixate too much on black women my dude. It’s ok to get help.

Stay in denial.

I guess I will. I tremble when I see a hospital with two black doctors and a 70%+ doctor staff that’s white or Asian. Ugh, did they have to hire TWO

Go to Kaiser.

If I’m ever in California, sure. I don’t tremble at board certified doctors just because their skin is different than mine

Doesn’t Kaiser exist outside of California?

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How about we let the Ivy League schools and other "elite schools" decide what they think makes the best freshman class? They are private universities and have the right to select for themselves.

And if they said "ok back to the old policy of no blacks or Jews, and to hell with poor people, we only admit full pay kids" then you'd be screeching for government intervention. Send in the army like Ike did at Little Rock!

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at Harvard and there’s a clear intellectual chasm between his Asian friends and the black people in the class. Most of the blacks are in easy degrees like African Studies and Sociology, while Asian friends are in much more rigorous course work. Last year, only one Harvard math grad was black- very embarrassing for those students in Black studies

So when a black girl finishes Harvard with a degree in astrophysics it is all because of affirmative action? Her math doesn't actually math?

In the history of the world, there are only 26 black women that ever received a doctorate in astrophysics from any school.

I mean, c'mon. It's a problem.

Tell me about all the black people getting advanced degrees in astrophysics from Harvard.

Crickets.

Academia is not a stable enough career to support a bunch of PhDs who are first gen, which often overlaps with people of color. I’m sure many more black women have graduated with physics bachelors

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How about we let the Ivy League schools and other "elite schools" decide what they think makes the best freshman class? They are private universities and have the right to select for themselves.

And if they said "ok back to the old policy of no blacks or Jews, and to hell with poor people, we only admit full pay kids" then you'd be screeching for government intervention. Send in the army like Ike did at Little Rock!

Yes, cause when I think of the modern Ivy League I think of no Asians, no whites 💀

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How about we let the Ivy League schools and other "elite schools" decide what they think makes the best freshman class? They are private universities and have the right to select for themselves.

And if they said "ok back to the old policy of no blacks or Jews, and to hell with poor people, we only admit full pay kids" then you'd be screeching for government intervention. Send in the army like Ike did at Little Rock!

Geez, relax. Hyperbole much?

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How about we let the Ivy League schools and other "elite schools" decide what they think makes the best freshman class? They are private universities and have the right to select for themselves.

And if they said "ok back to the old policy of no blacks or Jews, and to hell with poor people, we only admit full pay kids" then you'd be screeching for government intervention. Send in the army like Ike did at Little Rock!

Geez, relax. Hyperbole much?

They’re trying to genocide white students out of an education and you want to call it hyperbole?

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at Harvard and there’s a clear intellectual chasm between his Asian friends and the black people in the class. Most of the blacks are in easy degrees like African Studies and Sociology, while Asian friends are in much more rigorous course work. Last year, only one Harvard math grad was black- very embarrassing for those students in Black studies

So when a black girl finishes Harvard with a degree in astrophysics it is all because of affirmative action? Her math doesn't actually math?

In the history of the world, there are only 26 black women that ever received a doctorate in astrophysics from any school.

I mean, c'mon. It's a problem.

Tell me about all the black people getting advanced degrees in astrophysics from Harvard.

Crickets.

Funny enough I met one a few months ago. Her name is Lanell Williams, pretty interesting person. I get your broader point though but thought it was interesting I have met these people

I'm sure she's super interesting and extremely accomplished.

But... the larger point. There just aren't a lot of black folks getting advanced degrees in difficult subjects at elite universities.

And that has all sorts of impacts lower down on the totem pole with assumptions and expectations and it makes everything very loaded.

Race will continue to be a part of college admissions. And there really isn't a satisfactory way to navigate this.

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How about we let the Ivy League schools and other "elite schools" decide what they think makes the best freshman class? They are private universities and have the right to select for themselves.

And if they said "ok back to the old policy of no blacks or Jews, and to hell with poor people, we only admit full pay kids" then you'd be screeching for government intervention. Send in the army like Ike did at Little Rock!

They are pro diversity. How can you find fault in an institution‘s efforts to resemble the make up of society.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s disgusting that anyone cares if the Ivy League is 100% Asian- bring in the best candidates! Diversity = Mediocrity and should not be considered for admission to a top college. Anyone who says otherwise is a racist.

You don’t think there’s any benefits to diversity?

+1 I would think a diverse student body would offer a great learning experience for all. There are talented students of all races. So it wouldn't be "mediocrity"....

For public record, you are fine with a low income Asian student in poverty whose highly intelligent and better than most of these black and Hispanic applicants getting rejected, because it makes you feel better about the learning experience. Human filth

wow. just wow.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at Harvard and there’s a clear intellectual chasm between his Asian friends and the black people in the class. Most of the blacks are in easy degrees like African Studies and Sociology, while Asian friends are in much more rigorous course work. Last year, only one Harvard math grad was black- very embarrassing for those students in Black studies

So when a black girl finishes Harvard with a degree in astrophysics it is all because of affirmative action? Her math doesn't actually math?

In the history of the world, there are only 26 black women that ever received a doctorate in astrophysics from any school.

I mean, c'mon. It's a problem.

Tell me about all the black people getting advanced degrees in astrophysics from Harvard.

Crickets.

Funny enough I met one a few months ago. Her name is Lanell Williams, pretty interesting person. I get your broader point though but thought it was interesting I have met these people

The nut job has probably abandoned DCUM now. Googling her research and gearing up to attack her math. Please don't name anyone else. I just read about an Ivy League Asian guy who is on his way to prison for this kind of internet stalking/threatening. This kind of obsessive ideation is frightening.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at Harvard and there’s a clear intellectual chasm between his Asian friends and the black people in the class. Most of the blacks are in easy degrees like African Studies and Sociology, while Asian friends are in much more rigorous course work. Last year, only one Harvard math grad was black- very embarrassing for those students in Black studies

So when a black girl finishes Harvard with a degree in astrophysics it is all because of affirmative action? Her math doesn't actually math?

In the history of the world, there are only 26 black women that ever received a doctorate in astrophysics from any school.

I mean, c'mon. It's a problem.

Tell me about all the black people getting advanced degrees in astrophysics from Harvard.

Crickets.

Funny enough I met one a few months ago. Her name is Lanell Williams, pretty interesting person. I get your broader point though but thought it was interesting I have met these people

I'm sure she's super interesting and extremely accomplished.

But... the larger point. There just aren't a lot of black folks getting advanced degrees in difficult subjects at elite universities.

And that has all sorts of impacts lower down on the totem pole with assumptions and expectations and it makes everything very loaded.

Race will continue to be a part of college admissions. And there really isn't a satisfactory way to navigate this.

I get what you’re trying to say, but unless you’re from a stable background, getting a PhD in the sciences is plain silly. It’s not worth the sacrifices and costs you a ton over getting an undergrad stem degree and pivoting into high paying roles. Are we going to deny that black Americans have contributed to culture in many other ways?