When do CAPE/PARCC results come out?

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so weird. Missing a 4 by a handful of points (once) on one subject is not a big deal. Maybe your child is good at reading but still needs some work on their writing. It is also a multi-day test so maybe the kid just had an off day. The my child has only ever gotten 5s anything less would be catastrophic posters are so much weirder.

A couple things here.

Performance on demand is a pretty critical part of life. I it’s important to know if my kid is just a practice all star and freezes in game, and it’s important to know why. You can work on that.

That’s especially true when the bar is pretty low, like it is with PARCC. My kid doesn’t get a 5 on his APs? That’s fine. My kid gets a 3 on PARCC? That’s not at grade level and I don’t know if you’ve looked at the testing standards but those standards are low. It’s less than literate for ELA, for starters.

Uh, this is BS. I care about my kids test scores, but it's more of a reflection of whether they slept well the night before or made the effort than how they will perform in life. What is the major consequence of scoring poorly on PARCC/CAPE? Lack of bragging rights?

Jeez. It's not that deep.

Do you also feel that way about the SATs? MCAT? Bar exam?

Life is full of high stakes days. Yes, you can retake them... But then you have another high stakes day. Doing well on tests is a valuable life skill.

MCATs and LSATs are absolutely consequential. CAPE is not. I know how well my kid is faring in school as an involved parent. DC is already attending Banneker/Basis/SWW. DC prepped for the PSATs even, but walked in and took the CAPE assessments blindly. The results will be interesting enough, but will have zero bearing on future outcomes.

CAPE is not meant for future outcomes. Its a tool to use to gauge if your kid is actually learning what he needs to learn at grade level currently or recently.

PP above just made a point that if your kid doesn’t do well on standardized testing then that will be a big factor in the future where there are even bigger ones.

I'm countering that by saying that its not a make or break test. Therefore, it can also reflect how seriously kids in our city are actually taking the exam. My kid probably has 4/5s, but I know that a 3 probably is more a reflection of poor sleep or effort than her not reading on grade level. She may have been focused on completing a paper the night before or some other requirement. There are also other kids in the city who might/will probably get bored during testing and start phoning it in. Again, it's not a requirement for promotion to the next grade. What's the incentive to truly try your best? Fwiw, there are some schools where teachers have had students even take a nap during portions of the test. I am not defending this behavior at all, but I'm pointing out that a test without any tie to a future outcome might not be well respected by all students. FYI, I believe this also reflects in SAT scores for schools that sending relatively few kids to college.

I’m sorry but if your kid needs some type of reward or incentive to try their best for anything or don’t give a crap about their teachers or school which are heavily tied to the test, then you have bigger problems then the CAPE.

There are lots of things in life where we do things with no reward and for the good of the group. If you can’t see that and give a pass to your kid, that also says a lot about your parenting.

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Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

Yes, I agree that DC has a lot of kids who are very strong at the top, which is not too surprising for a city that has so many high achievers and Ivy grads coming to work here. the high is very high and the low is deeply, depressingly low.

Did you really say that out loud???!!! You are suggesting that kids of people who graduated from Ivy's have an inherent advantage? Icky.

Kids of people who went to Ivys being likely to do better than average in standardized tests is… a secret? The quiet part? Have you never heard of genetics? Or of nurture? Like kid of good academic performer better than average at academic performance seems…
Obvious rather than scandalous?

A lot of people think Ivies don’t select on intelligence at all, and if you only looked at who went to ivies from DC, and that was the extent of your sample…intelligence wouldn’t be that strong a predictor of who got in.

Dumbest comment in DCUM today.

Congrats!

Intelligence test scores are a threshold for ivies, or they were.
Ivies select for dc students on race first, legacy second, athletics third, though athletics is hopelessly confounded with the first two. Hope that helps!

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so weird. Missing a 4 by a handful of points (once) on one subject is not a big deal. Maybe your child is good at reading but still needs some work on their writing. It is also a multi-day test so maybe the kid just had an off day. The my child has only ever gotten 5s anything less would be catastrophic posters are so much weirder.

A couple things here.

Performance on demand is a pretty critical part of life. I it’s important to know if my kid is just a practice all star and freezes in game, and it’s important to know why. You can work on that.

That’s especially true when the bar is pretty low, like it is with PARCC. My kid doesn’t get a 5 on his APs? That’s fine. My kid gets a 3 on PARCC? That’s not at grade level and I don’t know if you’ve looked at the testing standards but those standards are low. It’s less than literate for ELA, for starters.

Uh, this is BS. I care about my kids test scores, but it's more of a reflection of whether they slept well the night before or made the effort than how they will perform in life. What is the major consequence of scoring poorly on PARCC/CAPE? Lack of bragging rights?

Do you also feel that way about the SATs? MCAT? Bar exam?

Life is full of high stakes days. Yes, you can retake them... But then you have another high stakes day. Doing well on tests is a valuable life skill.

MCATs and LSATs are absolutely consequential. CAPE is not. I know how well my kid is faring in school as an involved parent. DC is already attending Banneker/Basis/SWW. DC prepped for the PSATs even, but walked in and took the CAPE assessments blindly. The results will be interesting enough, but will have zero bearing on future outcomes.

CAPE is not meant for future outcomes. Its a tool to use to gauge if your kid is actually learning what he needs to learn at grade level currently or recently.

PP above just made a point that if your kid doesn’t do well on standardized testing then that will be a big factor in the future where there are even bigger ones.

I'm countering that by saying that its not a make or break test. Therefore, it can also reflect how seriously kids in our city are actually taking the exam. My kid probably has 4/5s, but I know that a 3 probably is more a reflection of poor sleep or effort than her not reading on grade level. She may have been focused on completing a paper the night before or some other requirement. There are also other kids in the city who might/will probably get bored during testing and start phoning it in. Again, it's not a requirement for promotion to the next grade. What's the incentive to truly try your best? Fwiw, there are some schools where teachers have had students even take a nap during portions of the test. I am not defending this behavior at all, but I'm pointing out that a test without any tie to a future outcome might not be well respected by all students. FYI, I believe this also reflects in SAT scores for schools that sending relatively few kids to college.

If she is reading on grade level, then a 3 is likely because she can’t write on grade level.

It’s amazing how some families make excuses instead of confronting head on the weaknesses of their kid and/or school.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so weird. Missing a 4 by a handful of points (once) on one subject is not a big deal. Maybe your child is good at reading but still needs some work on their writing. It is also a multi-day test so maybe the kid just had an off day. The my child has only ever gotten 5s anything less would be catastrophic posters are so much weirder.

A couple things here.

Performance on demand is a pretty critical part of life. I it’s important to know if my kid is just a practice all star and freezes in game, and it’s important to know why. You can work on that.

That’s especially true when the bar is pretty low, like it is with PARCC. My kid doesn’t get a 5 on his APs? That’s fine. My kid gets a 3 on PARCC? That’s not at grade level and I don’t know if you’ve looked at the testing standards but those standards are low. It’s less than literate for ELA, for starters.

Uh, this is BS. I care about my kids test scores, but it's more of a reflection of whether they slept well the night before or made the effort than how they will perform in life. What is the major consequence of scoring poorly on PARCC/CAPE? Lack of bragging rights?

Do you also feel that way about the SATs? MCAT? Bar exam?

Life is full of high stakes days. Yes, you can retake them... But then you have another high stakes day. Doing well on tests is a valuable life skill.

MCATs and LSATs are absolutely consequential. CAPE is not. I know how well my kid is faring in school as an involved parent. DC is already attending Banneker/Basis/SWW. DC prepped for the PSATs even, but walked in and took the CAPE assessments blindly. The results will be interesting enough, but will have zero bearing on future outcomes.

CAPE is not meant for future outcomes. Its a tool to use to gauge if your kid is actually learning what he needs to learn at grade level currently or recently.

PP above just made a point that if your kid doesn’t do well on standardized testing then that will be a big factor in the future where there are even bigger ones.

I'm countering that by saying that its not a make or break test. Therefore, it can also reflect how seriously kids in our city are actually taking the exam. My kid probably has 4/5s, but I know that a 3 probably is more a reflection of poor sleep or effort than her not reading on grade level. She may have been focused on completing a paper the night before or some other requirement. There are also other kids in the city who might/will probably get bored during testing and start phoning it in. Again, it's not a requirement for promotion to the next grade. What's the incentive to truly try your best? Fwiw, there are some schools where teachers have had students even take a nap during portions of the test. I am not defending this behavior at all, but I'm pointing out that a test without any tie to a future outcome might not be well respected by all students. FYI, I believe this also reflects in SAT scores for schools that sending relatively few kids to college.

I’m sorry but if your kid needs some type of reward or incentive to try their best for anything or don’t give a crap about their teachers or school which are heavily tied to the test, then you have bigger problems then the CAPE.

There are lots of things in life where we do things with no reward and for the good of the group. If you can’t see that and give a pass to your kid, that also says a lot about your parenting.

First, you're not sorry. You also don't have to like my answer. I can see that my point was understood which is the only reason that I posted. Do with that what you will.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so weird. Missing a 4 by a handful of points (once) on one subject is not a big deal. Maybe your child is good at reading but still needs some work on their writing. It is also a multi-day test so maybe the kid just had an off day. The my child has only ever gotten 5s anything less would be catastrophic posters are so much weirder.

A couple things here.

Performance on demand is a pretty critical part of life. I it’s important to know if my kid is just a practice all star and freezes in game, and it’s important to know why. You can work on that.

That’s especially true when the bar is pretty low, like it is with PARCC. My kid doesn’t get a 5 on his APs? That’s fine. My kid gets a 3 on PARCC? That’s not at grade level and I don’t know if you’ve looked at the testing standards but those standards are low. It’s less than literate for ELA, for starters.

Uh, this is BS. I care about my kids test scores, but it's more of a reflection of whether they slept well the night before or made the effort than how they will perform in life. What is the major consequence of scoring poorly on PARCC/CAPE? Lack of bragging rights?

Do you also feel that way about the SATs? MCAT? Bar exam?

Life is full of high stakes days. Yes, you can retake them... But then you have another high stakes day. Doing well on tests is a valuable life skill.

MCATs and LSATs are absolutely consequential. CAPE is not. I know how well my kid is faring in school as an involved parent. DC is already attending Banneker/Basis/SWW. DC prepped for the PSATs even, but walked in and took the CAPE assessments blindly. The results will be interesting enough, but will have zero bearing on future outcomes.

CAPE is not meant for future outcomes. Its a tool to use to gauge if your kid is actually learning what he needs to learn at grade level currently or recently.

PP above just made a point that if your kid doesn’t do well on standardized testing then that will be a big factor in the future where there are even bigger ones.

I'm countering that by saying that its not a make or break test. Therefore, it can also reflect how seriously kids in our city are actually taking the exam. My kid probably has 4/5s, but I know that a 3 probably is more a reflection of poor sleep or effort than her not reading on grade level. She may have been focused on completing a paper the night before or some other requirement. There are also other kids in the city who might/will probably get bored during testing and start phoning it in. Again, it's not a requirement for promotion to the next grade. What's the incentive to truly try your best? Fwiw, there are some schools where teachers have had students even take a nap during portions of the test. I am not defending this behavior at all, but I'm pointing out that a test without any tie to a future outcome might not be well respected by all students. FYI, I believe this also reflects in SAT scores for schools that sending relatively few kids to college.

If she is reading on grade level, then a 3 is likely because she can’t write on grade level.

It’s amazing how some families make excuses instead of confronting head on the weaknesses of their kid and/or school.

As an involved parent, your argument is immaterial to my household. I already know her capabilities without CAPE testing. I never said that this is ideal or that I didn't care about test scores. In fact, I said that I generally care about test scores. I have other exams (APs, PSATs, etc) plus viewing her work which tells me enough.

I suspect the vitriol comes from the desire to boast about test scores overall at your specific schools and frustration with the apathy that exists. If a kid's goal is simply to make it out with a HS diploma, I understand the lack of incentive for said kid to prioritize the SATs. He/she will still sit for the exam with the rest of the class, per DCPS policy. I can understand the frustration and I never invalidated feeling that way. I pointed out the reality that some aren't trying as hard as others and some kids' scoring is moreso a reflection of the past 12-24 hours of their lives (quality sleep, adequate meals, a low stress environment).

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Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

Yes, I agree that DC has a lot of kids who are very strong at the top, which is not too surprising for a city that has so many high achievers and Ivy grads coming to work here. the high is very high and the low is deeply, depressingly low.

+1 my kid who is above 99th percentile on i-ready ELA and also on other types of tests like COGAT verbal was only high 50th percentile for his class (at a school I have seen bashed here for weak academics) with a high 4 and low to mid 80th percentile for DC. I can guess that score was dragged down by writing which is only on CAPE but that was rated as meets/exceeds, so don't quite get the difference in the national vs DC percentiles.

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Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

Yes, I agree that DC has a lot of kids who are very strong at the top, which is not too surprising for a city that has so many high achievers and Ivy grads coming to work here. the high is very high and the low is deeply, depressingly low.

+1 my kid who is above 99th percentile on i-ready ELA and also on other types of tests like COGAT verbal was only high 50th percentile for his class (at a school I have seen bashed here for weak academics) with a high 4 and low to mid 80th percentile for DC. I can guess that score was dragged down by writing which is only on CAPE but that was rated as meets/exceeds, so don't quite get the difference in the national vs DC percentiles.

I think the writing thing is pretty interesting (that otherwise strong ELA students are being caught by the writing section)... I know writing instruction really varies by school, because my kids have been at two different DCPS elementary schools, and one didn't teach writing very well and the other teaches it extremely well.

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Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

Yes, I agree that DC has a lot of kids who are very strong at the top, which is not too surprising for a city that has so many high achievers and Ivy grads coming to work here. the high is very high and the low is deeply, depressingly low.

+1 my kid who is above 99th percentile on i-ready ELA and also on other types of tests like COGAT verbal was only high 50th percentile for his class (at a school I have seen bashed here for weak academics) with a high 4 and low to mid 80th percentile for DC. I can guess that score was dragged down by writing which is only on CAPE but that was rated as meets/exceeds, so don't quite get the difference in the national vs DC percentiles.

I think the writing thing is pretty interesting (that otherwise strong ELA students are being caught by the writing section)... I know writing instruction really varies by school, because my kids have been at two different DCPS elementary schools, and one didn't teach writing very well and the other teaches it extremely well.

Even then, I'd expect that writing had to be really poor (below expectations) to drag down percentiles that much.... or else DC has some very strong ELA students (per the comment that DC can be quite strong at the top) that make percentile comparisons for ELA lower than comparisons to national averages.

I wish DC used a nationally normed test. I also find the CAPE/PARCC subscore breakdown unhelpful for identifying specific weak areas. It could provide an a actual subscore rather than just "meets/exceeds expectations"

FWIW, math scores made more sense in comparison to other nationally normed assessments.

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Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

Yes, I agree that DC has a lot of kids who are very strong at the top, which is not too surprising for a city that has so many high achievers and Ivy grads coming to work here. the high is very high and the low is deeply, depressingly low.

+1 my kid who is above 99th percentile on i-ready ELA and also on other types of tests like COGAT verbal was only high 50th percentile for his class (at a school I have seen bashed here for weak academics) with a high 4 and low to mid 80th percentile for DC. I can guess that score was dragged down by writing which is only on CAPE but that was rated as meets/exceeds, so don't quite get the difference in the national vs DC percentiles.

I think the writing thing is pretty interesting (that otherwise strong ELA students are being caught by the writing section)... I know writing instruction really varies by school, because my kids have been at two different DCPS elementary schools, and one didn't teach writing very well and the other teaches it extremely well.

Even then, I'd expect that writing had to be really poor (below expectations) to drag down percentiles that much.... or else DC has some very strong ELA students (per the comment that DC can be quite strong at the top) that make percentile comparisons for ELA lower than comparisons to national averages.

I wish DC used a nationally normed test. I also find the CAPE/PARCC subscore breakdown unhelpful for identifying specific weak areas. It could provide an a actual subscore rather than just "meets/exceeds expectations"

FWIW, math scores made more sense in comparison to other nationally normed assessments.

Evaluating writing is going to be extremely taste based at a certain point, even with a rubric, especially when you’re trying to differentiate between kids who are literate and can write competently from good writers. The higher up the scale you go with writing, the more subjective the evaluation (even the rubric) is going to be. It also produces some weird incentives well documented in the AP lang world, so I’m sympathetic to people who say you shouldn’t worry if your kid got a 4 but not a 5, and maybe even a 3 but not a 4.

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Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

Yes, I agree that DC has a lot of kids who are very strong at the top, which is not too surprising for a city that has so many high achievers and Ivy grads coming to work here. the high is very high and the low is deeply, depressingly low.

+1 my kid who is above 99th percentile on i-ready ELA and also on other types of tests like COGAT verbal was only high 50th percentile for his class (at a school I have seen bashed here for weak academics) with a high 4 and low to mid 80th percentile for DC. I can guess that score was dragged down by writing which is only on CAPE but that was rated as meets/exceeds, so don't quite get the difference in the national vs DC percentiles.

I think the writing thing is pretty interesting (that otherwise strong ELA students are being caught by the writing section)... I know writing instruction really varies by school, because my kids have been at two different DCPS elementary schools, and one didn't teach writing very well and the other teaches it extremely well.

Even then, I'd expect that writing had to be really poor (below expectations) to drag down percentiles that much.... or else DC has some very strong ELA students (per the comment that DC can be quite strong at the top) that make percentile comparisons for ELA lower than comparisons to national averages.

I wish DC used a nationally normed test. I also find the CAPE/PARCC subscore breakdown unhelpful for identifying specific weak areas. It could provide an a actual subscore rather than just "meets/exceeds expectations"

FWIW, math scores made more sense in comparison to other nationally normed assessments.

I agree. It defeats the entire purpose of offering a standardized test if you can't compare to different states or national statistics.

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It could also be not so much writing as writing that analyzes a text. My kid struggles a lot with that, less so with writing that is more concrete.

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Anonymous wrote:CAPE is not inconsequential. It is the only widely standradized test that parents in DC have to see if their kid is working below, on, or above grade level. It also shows where your kid stands against all other kids in the city.

Now let me preface this by saying kids in DC are doing very poorly academically so the bar is not high with comparisons. It would be much better if DC used a standardized test that many other states used so you can get at least a better sense of where your kid stands nationwide. That would be a big eye opener to say the least, and not in a positive way either.

It was a big eye opener for me when my kid reached high school and started taking SAT-suite tests. But not in the way you mean. My kid’s DC percentiles on the 8th grade PARCC (95th) were actually lower than their nationwide percentiles on the PSAT8/9 (99th).

The fact is that an average tells you nothing about the distribution. DC has a lot of struggling students, but it’s also very strong at the top.

Yes, I agree that DC has a lot of kids who are very strong at the top, which is not too surprising for a city that has so many high achievers and Ivy grads coming to work here. the high is very high and the low is deeply, depressingly low.

Did you really say that out loud???!!! You are suggesting that kids of people who graduated from Ivy's have an inherent advantage? Icky.

Kids of people who went to Ivys being likely to do better than average in standardized tests is… a secret? The quiet part? Have you never heard of genetics? Or of nurture? Like kid of good academic performer better than average at academic performance seems…
Obvious rather than scandalous?

A lot of people think Ivies don’t select on intelligence at all, and if you only looked at who went to ivies from DC, and that was the extent of your sample…intelligence wouldn’t be that strong a predictor of who got in.

Dumbest comment in DCUM today.

Congrats!

Intelligence test scores are a threshold for ivies, or they were.
Ivies select for dc students on race first, legacy second, athletics third, though athletics is hopelessly confounded with the first two. Hope that helps!

The Supreme Court begged to differ.

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So what to make about a kid who gets 95 percentile on MAP math but got a 2 on CAPE math?

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Anonymous wrote:So what to make about a kid who gets 95 percentile on MAP math but got a 2 on CAPE math?

Map counted for a grade; cape didn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:So what to make about a kid who gets 95 percentile on MAP math but got a 2 on CAPE math?

Map counted for a grade; cape didn’t.

Your school gives grades for MAP tests?